[globaloutlookDH-l] Some ideas on list language

Ernesto Priani epriani at gmail.com
Wed May 15 16:06:12 MDT 2013


I agree with your points, Dan. And also agree with Alex suggestion.

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2013/5/15 James O'Sullivan <josullivan.c at gmail.com>

> "I do think there are often disciplinary, national, and perhaps even
> regional cultures to how academic debate is carried on" - I couldn't agree
> more. A great idea for this initiative.
>
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Daniel O'Donnell <
> daniel.odonnell at uleth.ca> wrote:
>
>>  I won't say I was quite thinking of the Irish, but when I moved back to
>> Canada after many years in the States, I had to rein things in a
>> little--without even realising I'd got more... well let's call it
>> forthright. My wife had a similarly difficult time adjusting the bluntness
>> she'd learned in Dutch academia to the Canadian context as well.
>>
>> Of course it is also easy to stereotype. But I do think there are often
>> disciplinary, national, and perhaps even regional cultures to how academic
>> debate is carried on.
>>
>>
>> On 13-05-15 03:16 PM, James O'Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>   Dear all,
>>
>>  I just want to weigh in here behind Professor O'Donnell, and lend my
>> support to the suggested page on etiquette and tips for emailing in an
>> international context. This is an issue that I often struggle with, as in
>> an Irish context, scholarly debates tend to be pretty forthright. I've
>> often been challenged by colleagues, and have challenged colleagues, in a
>> fashion that, while to us seems normal, may, to another culture, be
>> negatively received. I sometimes find myself wondering if my argument is
>> coming across as too strong or forceful, or conversely, too timid. Of
>> course, this issue is amplified when different languages come into play.
>>
>>  Speaking as a postgraduate who is still feeling their way through a
>> multicultural discipline, this is something from which I would personally
>> benefit, and I'm sure that many other young scholars would feel the same.
>>
>>  Sincerest thanks,
>> James
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Daniel O'Donnell <
>> daniel.odonnell at uleth.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I had somebody ask me the other day about whether there should be any
>>> special advice for posting to a list like this--"like this" in the sense of
>>> explicitly multicultural, very conscious of multilingual issues, and so on.
>>>
>>> We've obviously been discussing aspects of language use in a variety of
>>> contexts on the list, but I don't think we've had a metadiscussion about
>>> how we should post to this list--things to keep in mind, to be careful of,
>>> and so on.
>>>
>>> Here's some of the things I suggested. What do others think?
>>>
>>> 1) Be really careful about humour, especially humour that could be
>>> misread as being dismissive, insulting, or mockery. One reason for this is
>>> because, as is well known, email doesn't convey tone well at all. But in
>>> the case of this specific list, we are also dealing with a variety of
>>> different academic cultures--what comes across as normal bantering in a
>>> more free-rolling academic culture may appear to be extremely aggressive in
>>> another.
>>>
>>> 2) Be careful about allusions to pop culture, and national history and
>>> politics. Many people may not get them. But more importantly, allusions and
>>> inside jokes shared among a small group of people can quickly create a
>>> sense of exclusion among those who don't know the references being made.
>>>
>>> 3) Since this is an academic list, we will find ourselves disagreeing
>>> with each other, attempting to correct or improve each other's ideas, and
>>> so on. In keeping with (1), be careful about how you phrase these
>>> disagreements: again, what may seem like relatively light criticism in one
>>> academic culture may seem crushing in another; and especially if there are
>>> language issues involved, it can be difficult to clear things up. This
>>> doesn't mean that we can't criticise each other's ideas, but rather that we
>>> should always try to phrase this disagreement as constructively and
>>> supportively as possible.
>>>
>>> 4) Generally, try to write in short sentences and using common words
>>> (this is true, BTW, of all languages on the list): you are being read by
>>> people who are not as strong in your language as you are.
>>>
>>> 5) Always try to provide context for people: use more links to external
>>> sites than you might normally (e.g. to explain ideas and give examples.
>>>
>>> If people think this is good and especially have additional ideas, we
>>> could perhaps publish a page on etiquette and tips for emailing in an
>>> international context?
>>>
>>> -dan
>>>
>>> --
>>> ---
>>> Daniel Paul O'Donnell
>>> Professor of English
>>> University of Lethbridge
>>> Lethbridge AB T1K 3M4
>>> Canada
>>>
>>> +1 403 393-2539
>>>
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