Hi all,

I do believe this is slowly changing and electronic use of images held by libraries is becoming easier.  For example the Bodleian hired a new Associate Director for Digital Library Programmes and Information Technologies in 2012 who is very much in favour of and pushing an open access / open licensing policy wherever possible, but it will take years for that to have a real effect (changing old resources, making new resources available).  http://digital.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/ has a growing collection of resources but most of them are still under old licenses, some have CC like licenses but only for 'private use'.  

But a couple years ago we were able to convince them to license all the images for our William Godwin's Diary project as Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial. 
See for example http://godwindiary.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/folio/e.203_0025v where although there is a (google maps based) pan/zoom image viewer there is a link to the full image so that it can be used. (The TEI XML for the transcription is also available.) This page randomly chosen just happens to have Mary Shelley's birth recorded on it.  (Sorry... wrong time period).  

Wearing a @godwindiary tshirt,
James 


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:19 PM, James Ginther <ginthej@slu.edu> wrote:

We have to see all of this as baby steps.  In 2010, I was at a conference in Paris where a regular visitor to the Vatican Library pronounced that the Vatican would NEVER digitize, much less release in any way, their manuscript collection.   A little over a year later, I sat in a meeting with the Vice-Prefect of the Vatican LIbrary where he outlined their plans to begin digitizing the collection.  

I was shocked that even these images have been made available, but this is probably becasue they are connected to the Lorsch Project.   

I would not say that this policy of contol will last.  I remain optimistic that all the libraries in Europe will eventually come around to open data.  It is a challenging decision to make, given the history of these institutions.  There is a lot of tradition and institutional intertia to overcome.  We must continue to exter pressure and demonstrate how valuable open data can be for scholarship. 

Jim


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:26 AM, centrostudicomparati@libero.it <centrostudicomparati@libero.it> wrote:

I am afraid this is the same procedure as for British Library, Bodleian Library, Oesterreichische Nationalbibliothek Wien, Paris BNF and many others, even if these are public institutions and not private, as BAV is. According to my experience, one has to pay for getting and reproducing images of the mss such libraries preserve. The law for Italian (not Vatican) State libraries, for example, allows to give free permission just for non commercial publications under a given print run.

Best wishes

F. Stella

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Back in late 2009, I tried to obtain permission from the BAV to use one image of a folio from a Virgil manuscript as a cover or at least as a frontispiece for my forthcoming monograph, "The Methods of Medieval Translators (2011).
      Permission denied.
     -Raymond Cormier



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Hi,

regarding Vatican's copyright statement, I think that there are some
things that can be built, or prototyped -- e. g. a text linking to a page
of a MS like they did in <monumenta.ch> -- that do not infringe Vatican
Library's copyright.  Such projects, surely, risk that the link will
vanish overnight -- but the site does offer us (in German, I guess)
"Persistente URL" for its images.

And I guess that it would depend what we ask the authorisation for. A
scholarly undertaking, such as publishing an on-line edition which uses
BAV's images, should be acceptable, and they should actually be glad that
somebody wants to do this. Otherwise, why spend so much money for
digitisation?

Best,

Neven Jovanovic
Zagreb, Croatia



> On 2 February 2013 02:58, Dot Porter <dot.porter@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Neither the text nor the images may be reproduced, in any form, without
>> the authorisation of the Vatican Library, 00120, Vatican City. "
>>
>
> Is this from the BAV website? I haven't noticed that... If it means the
> BAV
> think they hold a copyright on the *TEXT* in the manuscript, that's totaly
> unheard of - and absurd! :s
> Or does "text" refer to the manuscript descriptions? In this case, fair
> enough.
>
> Marjorie, a bit puzzled :)
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