. . And damned fine fonts they are.
I'm hoping that, down the line, Peter, you'll keep us up to date on here regarding unicode and other font development. Can you tell me whether MS-Word in its newest Macintosh iteration can run Junicode smoothly?
--pat
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Still, I have a higher opinion of the abilities of XSLT than Peter does (I've been using it in font development, of all things, so I look at it as pretty flexible), and I'll bet it could handle the XML workarounds for overlapping hierarchies such as the one proposed in the paper by Alexander Czmiel linked to by
James Cummings.
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Martin K. Foys wrote:
At 08:49 AM 23/06/2004, Peter Robinson wrote:
If you can do it (and I have not yet seen this done, though I have heard lengthy explanations of how it *might* be done)
you can only do it with great difficulty with the standard tools. The problem here is our old bugbear overlapping hierarchies, and XSLT etc just don't
have any easy answer to this -- and maybe no reliable answer at all.
I have not worked with XSLT, so this might seem like a naive
question,
but is it possible to write a bridge program to copy text from a specific starting tag to an ending tag, create a new file for just that text, and then display that file next to the MS image? ~ Martin Foys
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:01:57 -0400 "Patrick Conner" pconner@wvu.edu wrote:
Can you tell me whether MS-Word in its newest Macintosh iteration can run Junicode smoothly?
--pat
Pat (and Peter) --
I have recently gotten MS Word 2004 for Mac, and can report that Junicode appears to be mostly working -- from the character palette, I can find enter most of the usual suspects (eth, thorn, yogh -- not sure where the wynn is, though) and combine diacriticals no problem in Word 2004. However, not everything appears to be displaying properly in the OSX character palette. For the runes, for instance, all display as straight horizontal lines, though inserting one does insert the proper runic form into Word.
~ Martin
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(Small) Wynn is found at unicode point U+01BF. It is in the Latin Extended B subrange. If you can search the palette by unicode range or number you should be able to find it. -dan
Martin K. Foys wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:01:57 -0400 "Patrick Conner" pconner@wvu.edu wrote:
Can you tell me whether MS-Word in its newest Macintosh iteration can run Junicode smoothly?
--pat
Pat (and Peter) --
I have recently gotten MS Word 2004 for Mac, and can report that Junicode appears to be mostly working -- from the character palette, I can find enter most of the usual suspects (eth, thorn, yogh -- not sure where the wynn is, though) and combine diacriticals no problem in Word 2004. However, not everything appears to be displaying properly in the OSX character palette. For the runes, for instance, all display as straight horizontal lines, though inserting one does insert the proper runic form into Word. ~ Martin
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Martin K. Foys wrote in part:
<< I can find enter most of the usual suspects (eth, thorn, yogh -- not sure where the wynn is, though) >>
Wynn is in Latin Extended-B, O1BF (7th row, 4th column in the Character Palette).
<< For the runes, for instance, all display as straight horizontal lines, though inserting one does insert the proper runic form into Word. >>
I haven't downloaded the "test drive" of Office 2004 [[1]] and so I can't tell for certain, but might it be that you haven't specified Junicode in the font menu in the Character Palette? The runes display fine there when I do, but they show up as boxes if the palette is set at a font that doesn't include those glyphs. I'm running Mac OS 10.2.8, which may or may not make a difference.
They also seem to work fine in TextEdit and Mellel [[2]].
What a lovely and useful font!
John
[[1]] http://www.microsoft.com/mac/default.aspx?pid=office2004td
[[2]] http://www.redlers.com/
On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:37:07 -0700 John McChesney-Young panis@pacbell.net wrote:
I haven't downloaded the "test drive" of Office 2004 [[1]] and so I can't tell for certain, but might it be that you haven't specified Junicode in the font menu in the Character Palette? The runes display fine there when I do, but they show up as boxes if the palette is set at a font that doesn't include those glyphs. I'm running Mac OS 10.2.8, which may or may not make a difference.
John,
OSX 10.3 (Panther) has changed the character palette a bit. In the display of all the Unicode categories, you can no longer select an individual font from a drop down menu as you could in previous versions. However, you can do so in the "Gylph Catalog" function, which shows all the characters available for a font (incidentally, here the wynn is row 046, column 3 (really 4)).
Upon further investigation, it turns out the Junicode runes display just fine in the Glyph Catalog, but do not display under the Unicode categories option. In the Unicode categories, you now select a character from a Unicode Block (e.g. "Runic") and all available fonts that can display that character appear in a frame below. In the main display window, all the runes (except, oddly, the first one) appear as horizontal lines. clicking on these, though, does indicate that a Junicode Regular version of the rune exists, but it too displays as a striaght line. Inserting the rune, though, correctly displays it in Word 2004 and elsewhere.
But this appears to be an issue with the character palette, and not Word 2004 (I have installed the actual release). Word 2004 seems to work fine, and the Glyph Catalog works just fine as well, so there is an easy way to implement all characters into Word and other Unicode processors.
best,
~ Martin Foys
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Thanks to those who've said nice things about Junicode here. I don't have a Mac, since I can't afford to buy one and haven't yet managed to talk anyone into buying me one (heu!); so I can only test by getting reports from friends. The new version of Word for the Mac does, finally, handle Unicode, so it should work with Junicode. Martin, it may be that you have a copy of Junicode from a couple of versions ago. If I remember rightly only the regular style had runes, and I had inadvertently released italic or bold fonts that had vertical strokes as placeholders throughout the runic range. It may be that your font application is displaying those placeholders. If so, the problem will go away when you download and install the latest version.
Peter
Martin K. Foys wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:37:07 -0700 John McChesney-Young panis@pacbell.net wrote:
I haven't downloaded the "test drive" of Office 2004 [[1]] and so I can't tell for certain, but might it be that you haven't specified Junicode in the font menu in the Character Palette? The runes display fine there when I do, but they show up as boxes if the palette is set at a font that doesn't include those glyphs. I'm running Mac OS 10.2.8, which may or may not make a difference.
John,
OSX 10.3 (Panther) has changed the character palette a bit. In the display of all the Unicode categories, you can no longer select an individual font from a drop down menu as you could in previous versions. However, you can do so in the "Gylph Catalog" function, which shows all the characters available for a font (incidentally, here the wynn is row 046, column 3 (really 4)). Upon further investigation, it turns out the Junicode runes display just fine in the Glyph Catalog, but do not display under the Unicode categories option. In the Unicode categories, you now select a character from a Unicode Block (e.g. "Runic") and all available fonts that can display that character appear in a frame below. In the main display window, all the runes (except, oddly, the first one) appear as horizontal lines. clicking on these, though, does indicate that a Junicode Regular version of the rune exists, but it too displays as a striaght line. Inserting the rune, though, correctly displays it in Word 2004 and elsewhere.
But this appears to be an issue with the character palette, and not Word 2004 (I have installed the actual release). Word 2004 seems to work fine, and the Glyph Catalog works just fine as well, so there is an easy way to implement all characters into Word and other Unicode processors.
best,
~ Martin Foys
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