i've been waiting to see if someone was going to reply to dan's suggestion last week about a wiki. after reading dan's post about publishing, open access, and community standards, i had been thinking that a wiki might be a good idea for this community.
is the lack of response a rejection of the idea? or is it more about people being unfamiliar with wikis?
in any case, it seems like a good topic to discuss. it might be a good public service for this list to put together a FAQ, as well. i know that's very 80s/90s usenet, but also at least worth thinking about, especially as more and more links to resources are posted to the list.
dan: is it possible to get lethbridge to add search functionality to the list archives? that might help with keeping all this collective knowledge accessible down the road. just a thought.
cheers,
j
jeffrey fisher ass't prof religious studies & philosophy bethany college bethany, wv
Hi there,
At 08:55 AM 29/06/2004, you wrote:
in any case, it seems like a good topic to discuss. it might be a good public service for this list to put together a FAQ, as well. i know that's very 80s/90s usenet, but also at least worth thinking about, especially as more and more links to resources are posted to the list.
The FAQ might be done using a WIKI, which would help anyone unfamiliar with the process to get some experience with WIKIs before starting the main WIKI project.
Cheers, Martin
______________________________________ Martin Holmes University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre mholmes@uvic.ca martin@mholmes.com mholmes@halfbakedsoftware.com http://www.mholmes.com http://web.uvic.ca/hcmc/ http://www.halfbakedsoftware.com
I was thinking that the wiki would make an excellent place for FAQ, as it is extensible and revisable as we progress. The other reason I think the wiki might be a good idea, is it is almost perfectly suited for that exchange of information and training that a community of practice is supposed to have: somebody writes a first draft and that gets corrected as people learn more. Since wikis can have links, it also solves the problem of duplication of effort: look up XSLT or TEI in the digital medievalist wiki, and, after a brief explanation, you get directed to the specialist site and/or list.
As you can see, I'm quite keen on it. -dan
Martin Holmes wrote:
Hi there,
At 08:55 AM 29/06/2004, you wrote:
in any case, it seems like a good topic to discuss. it might be a good public service for this list to put together a FAQ, as well. i know that's very 80s/90s usenet, but also at least worth thinking about, especially as more and more links to resources are posted to the list.
The FAQ might be done using a WIKI, which would help anyone unfamiliar with the process to get some experience with WIKIs before starting the main WIKI project.
Cheers, Martin
Martin Holmes University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre mholmes@uvic.ca martin@mholmes.com mholmes@halfbakedsoftware.com http://www.mholmes.com http://web.uvic.ca/hcmc/ http://www.halfbakedsoftware.com
dm-l mailing list dm-l@uleth.ca http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/dm-l
On Tuesday, June 29, 2004, at 11:04 AM, Martin Holmes wrote:
Hi there,
At 08:55 AM 29/06/2004, you wrote:
in any case, it seems like a good topic to discuss. it might be a good public service for this list to put together a FAQ, as well. i know that's very 80s/90s usenet, but also at least worth thinking about, especially as more and more links to resources are posted to the list.
The FAQ might be done using a WIKI, which would help anyone unfamiliar with the process to get some experience with WIKIs before starting the main WIKI project.
that's exactly what i was thinking.
j
Jeffrey Fisher wrote:
dan: is it possible to get lethbridge to add search functionality to the list archives? that might help with keeping all this collective knowledge accessible down the road. just a thought.
I'll look into it. I was also trying to see if we could dump the list to a newsgroup as well (there is an administrator interface for that in the mailman program), but none of the IT guys here seem very keen on the idea. -dan
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004, Daniel O'Donnell wrote:
Jeffrey Fisher wrote:
dan: is it possible to get lethbridge to add search functionality to the list archives? that might help with keeping all this collective knowledge accessible down the road. just a thought.
I'll look into it. I was also trying to see if we could dump the list to a newsgroup as well (there is an administrator interface for that in the mailman program), but none of the IT guys here seem very keen on the idea.
The question is what benefit does it get you by gatewaying it to usenet? If you were trying to reach everybody in the world, then, ok, I'd see how you would want that. Most people who will want to read the dm-l I would think would have no problem doing so via email. But I'm happy to be convinced.
I'd second the idea of searchable list archives. At least for subscribers. I believe this is also possible in mailman.
-James --- Dr James Cummings, Oxford Text Archive, University of Oxford James dot Cummings at ota dot ahds dot ac dot uk
On Tuesday, June 29, 2004, at 11:47 AM, James Cummings wrote:
I'd second the idea of searchable list archives. At least for subscribers. I believe this is also possible in mailman.
http://www.list.org/features.html
built-in web-archiving (and usenet gatewaying, fwiw). probably just needs to be turned on.
i imagine the IT people aren't keen because of server space (they commit to keeping all the posts) and server usage when people run searches.
j
Hi all,
At 09:47 AM 29/06/2004, you wrote:
The question is what benefit does it get you by gatewaying it to usenet?
I much prefer usenet to any other way of handling discussion groups like this, if it's possible. Newsreaders are simple and fast, archiving is easy, and the technology is stable. If it were possible to read and post via both email and usenet, that would be perfect.
Cheers, Martin
______________________________________ Martin Holmes University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre mholmes@uvic.ca martin@mholmes.com mholmes@halfbakedsoftware.com http://www.mholmes.com http://web.uvic.ca/hcmc/ http://www.halfbakedsoftware.com
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004, Martin Holmes wrote:
Hi all,
At 09:47 AM 29/06/2004, you wrote:
The question is what benefit does it get you by gatewaying it to usenet?
I much prefer usenet to any other way of handling discussion groups like this, if it's possible. Newsreaders are simple and fast, archiving is easy, and the technology is stable. If it were possible to read and post via both email and usenet, that would be perfect.
All of that is true, certainly, and I agree with the desires behind it. And yet, I think it is all true of email as well, isn't it? If I can play devil's advocate for a second, there are also downsides to making it available on usenet: easily accessible by the lowest common denominator rather than those who are really interested (that could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on perspective), increased difficulty in controlling spam, reliance on a multitude of networks to take up the newsgroup, etc. etc. I'm certainly not against the idea (as long as reading/posting by email stays as well), I just think we should take things one step at a time.
-James
--- Dr James Cummings, Oxford Text Archive, University of Oxford James dot Cummings at ota dot ahds dot ac dot uk
is the lack of response a rejection of the idea? or is it more about people being unfamiliar with wikis?
Scuse my asking. What is/are wikis?
Jacqueline de Ruiter____________________________________ Zandhofsestraat 127, 3572 GE Utrecht +31(0)30-2734012 / 06-51510174 www.bookmark.demon.nl
Jacqueline de Ruiter asked:
What is/are wikis?
Wiki is a tool for building online encyclopedias by common efforts. cf.
http://wiki.org/wiki.cgi?WhatIsWiki
HTH
Heinrich C. Kuhn
+--------------------------------------------------------- | Dr. Heinrich C. Kuhn | Seminar fuer Geistesgeschichte der Renaissance | Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitaet Muenchen | D-80539 Muenchen / Ludwigstr. 31/IV | T.: +49-89-2180 2018, F.: +49-89-2180 2907 | inst. URL: http://www.phil-hum-ren.uni-muenchen.de/ +---------------------------------------------------------
-
Daniel O'Donnell -
Heinrich C. Kuhn -
Jacqueline de Ruiter -
James Cummings -
Jeffrey Fisher -
Martin Holmes