Hi all, after much dealying I finally accepted the idea that I will need to use a customized version of the TEI DTD for my project(s): I read the guidelines, but would surely appreciate any further help, can anybody point me to tutorials, examples etc. on the web? Has anybody had any luck in using Roma? I couldn't save my modifications as a DTD, is it going to remain a schema-only tool?
Thanks in advance.
Ciao
Roberto Rosselli Del Turco wrote:
Hi all, after much dealying I finally accepted the idea that I will need to use a customized version of the TEI DTD for my project(s): I read the guidelines, but would surely appreciate any further help, can anybody point me to tutorials, examples etc. on the web? Has anybody had any luck in using Roma? I couldn't save my modifications as a DTD, is it going to remain a schema-only tool?
Thanks in advance.
Ciao
Roma is currently under active development, and we hope to unveil a new and much improved version within a month or so; we are also actively trying to develop training material to accompany it (there's a very preliminary initial draft at http://www.tei-c.org/Drafts/edw88.xml)
The version of Roma online at http://www.tei-c.org/Roma should be reasonably stable however and I will do my best to sort out any problems that are reported using it.
Roma is very definitely intended to generate DTDs as well as schemas, and we have never suggested that it was a "schema-only" tool. However, there are (in the nature of things) some things which DTDs cannot do and schemas can, which in turn has led to some bugs in the DTD generation part of the current online version.
At present Roma's author, Sebastian Rahtz, is in a part of the world blessed with only sporadic email contact, which means that bugs don't get fixed quite as rapidly as they would if he were here, nor when fixed do they necessarily get propagated to the publicly accessible servers as rapidly as they would if I didn't have 99 other jobs to do as well.
Nevertheless, if you would like to send me a copy of the misbehaving ODD you mention, I'd be very glad to advise. Just make the modifications you want, and then press the Save button (rather than the Schema button): this will save your modification specification as an ODD in XML format. Send me that.
Lou Burnard
Il giorno lun, 25-04-2005 alle 12:04 +0100, Lou Burnard ha scritto:
Roma is currently under active development, and we hope to unveil a new and much improved version within a month or so; we are also actively trying to develop training material to accompany it (there's a very preliminary initial draft at http://www.tei-c.org/Drafts/edw88.xml)
Got it, thanks.
The version of Roma online at http://www.tei-c.org/Roma should be reasonably stable however and I will do my best to sort out any problems that are reported using it.
I think that it should definitely be the preferred way to produce custom views/versions of the TEI DTD/Schema, especially for inexperienced users like me. IMHO the UI should be modified to become a sort of "wizard" (if you want I can expand on this).
Roma is very definitely intended to generate DTDs as well as schemas, and we have never suggested that it was a "schema-only" tool.
That was my assumption, mainly because I found a short tutorial on tei-c.uk only mentioning schema production.
However, there are (in the nature of things) some things which DTDs cannot do and schemas can, which in turn has led to some bugs in the DTD generation part of the current online version.
Hmmm, that also brings to mind another interesting question: should I stay with P4 or move to P5 (and possibly schema?). Going to ask this same question on the TEI ml.
At present Roma's author, Sebastian Rahtz, is in a part of the world blessed with only sporadic email contact, which means that bugs don't get fixed quite as rapidly as they would if he were here, nor when fixed do they necessarily get propagated to the publicly accessible servers as rapidly as they would if I didn't have 99 other jobs to do as well.
I can understand that :)
Nevertheless, if you would like to send me a copy of the misbehaving ODD you mention, I'd be very glad to advise. Just make the modifications you want, and then press the Save button (rather than the Schema button): this will save your modification specification as an ODD in XML format. Send me that.
Alas, the disk partition holding my unsuccessful attempts has long moved to the Digital Heavens of Reformatted Hardware
Il giorno mar, 26-04-2005 alle 11:56 +0200, Roberto Rosselli Del Turco ha scritto:
Il giorno lun, 25-04-2005 alle 12:04 +0100, Lou Burnard ha scritto:
Nevertheless, if you would like to send me a copy of the misbehaving ODD you mention, I'd be very glad to advise. Just make the modifications you want, and then press the Save button (rather than the Schema button): this will save your modification specification as an ODD in XML format. Send me that.
Alas, the disk partition holding my unsuccessful attempts has long moved to the Digital Heavens of Reformatted Hardware
Whoops, I just realized I hit the send button a little too early: thanks Lou for your help, will sure make new experiments with Roma and contact you in case of problems.
Ciao
I'm posting my reply to Roberto's email to the list, because others here might be interested in this work. I'll be presenting a paper on this at Kalamazoo (session 330), so if you take issue with our decisions you can write me on- or off-list, or wait until after my talk :)
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Hi Roberto,
I'm interested in seeing if the TEI extensions we developed for the Electronic Boethius project would suit the needs you have for the Digital Vercelli Book. The documentation is available at
http://rch01.rch.uky.edu/~ept/TEI-cotlib/
This site documents how I went about mapping to old (non-TEI) cotlib DTD into a "master" TEI DTD, and then modified this single DTD into several smaller "working" DTDs (for the EPT's overlapping markup support).
"DTD View" refers to the organization of the working DTDs themselves; "Editor's View" refers to the organization of the elements within the context of the EPT.
I'm giving a paper on these extensions at Kzoo, in fact, and it would be nice to know ahead of time how acceptable these extensions might be to other projects (since they will be released as part of the EPT).
Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.
Thanks, Dot
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-----Original Message----- From: dm-l-bounces@uleth.ca [mailto:dm-l-bounces@uleth.ca] On Behalf Of Roberto Rosselli Del Turco Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:08 AM To: Digital Medievalist Community mailing list Subject: [dm-l] Help in customizing the TEI DTD
Hi all, after much dealying I finally accepted the idea that I will need to use a customized version of the TEI DTD for my project(s): I read the guidelines, but would surely appreciate any further help, can anybody point me to tutorials, examples etc. on the web? Has anybody had any luck in using Roma? I couldn't save my modifications as a DTD, is it going to remain a schema-only tool?
Thanks in advance.
Ciao
Il giorno mar, 26-04-2005 alle 15:56 -0400, Dot Porter ha scritto:
I'm posting my reply to Roberto's email to the list, because others here might be interested in this work. I'll be presenting a paper on this at Kalamazoo (session 330), so if you take issue with our decisions you can write me on- or off-list, or wait until after my talk :)
Dot, many thanks for the link, I'm definitely going to attend your talk ;)
Ciao
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