On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 15:16, LIU G. gerald.liu@durham.ac.uk wrote:
Hi,
It sounds right. Maybe we can make the list show only names and places, where individuals are working/studying, to registered members. For private communication, I'd suggest to attach the displayed name with an internal mail function, which requires some little work. Personal information should not be revealed to the public, not even to the registered public. But do we actually have any personal information registered with the website. If so, I must have missed something; if not, the website needs to have its own account management function first.
The information you have on the website is whatever you provided when you registered for the mailing list. This is, in most cases, a name and your email address. The point is that revealing subscriber lists of mailing lists is usually frowned upon because spam bots will read the mailing list and send you lots of messages about things they want you to buy. That is why I'm reluctant to make it open, or even open only to subscribers (because a spammer could join with a plausible sounding name, copy the list of email addresses, and leave).
And congratulation for the 500 mark!
Thanks! We wouldn't have gotten here without all of you. (literally) ;-)
-James Director, Digital Medievalist.
Why not create a Facebook page that dm-l members can join if they wish to?
Notis
2009/11/6 James Cummings James.Cummings@digitalmedievalist.org:
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 15:16, LIU G. gerald.liu@durham.ac.uk wrote:
Hi,
It sounds right. Maybe we can make the list show only names and places, where individuals are working/studying, to registered members. For private communication, I'd suggest to attach the displayed name with an internal mail function, which requires some little work. Personal information should not be revealed to the public, not even to the registered public. But do we actually have any personal information registered with the website. If so, I must have missed something; if not, the website needs to have its own account management function first.
The information you have on the website is whatever you provided when you registered for the mailing list. This is, in most cases, a name and your email address. The point is that revealing subscriber lists of mailing lists is usually frowned upon because spam bots will read the mailing list and send you lots of messages about things they want you to buy. That is why I'm reluctant to make it open, or even open only to subscribers (because a spammer could join with a plausible sounding name, copy the list of email addresses, and leave).
And congratulation for the 500 mark!
Thanks! We wouldn't have gotten here without all of you. (literally) ;-)
-James Director, Digital Medievalist.
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Il giorno ven, 06/11/2009 alle 17.30 +0100, Dr Notis Toufexis ha scritto:
Why not create a Facebook page that dm-l members can join if they wish to?
It's there already, but severely underused ... perhaps it just needs a little more publicity (and activities ;) You know what's coming next, James, don't you? a request for DM news feed on FB! :)
Ciao
Roberto
RSS can help :-)
I really like the idea of using facebook. We have made good experiences with that in our institute.
Mit den besten Grüßen, Christian Frey M.A.
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Am 06.11.2009 um 18:38 schrieb Roberto Rosselli Del Turco:
Il giorno ven, 06/11/2009 alle 17.30 +0100, Dr Notis Toufexis ha scritto:
Why not create a Facebook page that dm-l members can join if they wish to?
It's there already, but severely underused ... perhaps it just needs a little more publicity (and activities ;) You know what's coming next, James, don't you? a request for DM news feed on FB! :)
Ciao
Roberto
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Christian Frey wrote:
RSS can help :-)
I really like the idea of using facebook. We have made good experiences with that in our institute.
Groan . . . I've so far been holding out against Facebook, but I can see my days of freedom and happiness are numbered.
Peter
FB is good, but it is not created for academic purposes. 1. I mean, this community has consistent traffic of academic events: conferences, workshops, job opportunities, new websites presentation, etc. All those deserve serious attention and should be put in 'sticky'. The design of FB cannot handle this request. 2. FB does not have forum functions. This makes interesting discussions hard to trace. 3. The DM has its own material to present. FB cannot handle this.
Obviously, this current communicty does not have the first two functions either. It is fair that we use a social platform to circulate academic information as long as we don't have a formal platform to exchange it. But it cannot be a permanent arrangement, at least with FB's current design.
And alas, I am not keen to re-open my FB account yet. =I
Best
Gerald
Christian Frey wrote:
RSS can help :-)
I really like the idea of using facebook. We have made good experiences with that in our institute.
Groan . . . I've so far been holding out against Facebook, but I can see my days of freedom and happiness are numbered.
Peter
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I like FB, but it seems utterly different from these Lists. I don't see any reason for making a connection.
I don't think anyone is suggesting shutting down the DM listserv and website and wiki and moving us to Facebook. In fact that's a pretty terrible idea. The suggestion was to have a DM page on FB, it would just be another place to post news and announcements. There is, however, already a DM page on FB that doesn't get much use (I use FB a lot myself and have only visited the page a couple of times). In addition, there is the pretty major hurdle that any page on FB can only be used if you have an account on FB, and many people have many good reasons for not having one. If we were to push FB too much I would be concerned that DM discussions (especially) would start to happen on FB and not on the list - which is where they belong.
My own feeling is that the FB page is more likely to pull people onto the list from FB, rather than the other way around. I have no doubt that there are academics around the world, particularly at smaller institutions, who have never heard of DM but may noodle their way to the FB page. If we make a clear link from there to here (where the action is) we're doing a lot more good than if we place a link to FB from the DM web page. Everybody already knows about FB, right?
Just my $.02 of course.
Dot
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Peter Baker psb6m@virginia.edu wrote:
Christian Frey wrote:
RSS can help :-)
I really like the idea of using facebook. We have made good experiences with that in our institute.
Groan . . . I've so far been holding out against Facebook, but I can see my days of freedom and happiness are numbered.
Peter
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Since we are talking about social networks, what about a twitter account linked with the rss feed of the DM website?
2009/11/7 Dot Porter dot.porter@gmail.com
I don't think anyone is suggesting shutting down the DM listserv and website and wiki and moving us to Facebook. In fact that's a pretty terrible idea. The suggestion was to have a DM page on FB, it would just be another place to post news and announcements. There is, however, already a DM page on FB that doesn't get much use (I use FB a lot myself and have only visited the page a couple of times). In addition, there is the pretty major hurdle that any page on FB can only be used if you have an account on FB, and many people have many good reasons for not having one. If we were to push FB too much I would be concerned that DM discussions (especially) would start to happen on FB and not on the list - which is where they belong.
My own feeling is that the FB page is more likely to pull people onto the list from FB, rather than the other way around. I have no doubt that there are academics around the world, particularly at smaller institutions, who have never heard of DM but may noodle their way to the FB page. If we make a clear link from there to here (where the action is) we're doing a lot more good than if we place a link to FB from the DM web page. Everybody already knows about FB, right?
Just my $.02 of course.
Dot
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Peter Baker psb6m@virginia.edu wrote:
Christian Frey wrote:
RSS can help :-)
I really like the idea of using facebook. We have made good experiences with that in our institute.
Groan . . . I've so far been holding out against Facebook, but I can see
my
days of freedom and happiness are numbered.
Peter
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What if we tried some how adding a tab for "Facebook" at the top of the DM main page, with that tab actually moving you to facebook.com? That would result in it being more integrated into the DM experience (to use Microsoft terminology, for a second), without needing us to duplicate the newsfeed: i.e. keeping facebook's feed for more social announcements?
At the same time, Facebook is both a separate commercial entity and a massive turnoff for some people--so we need to be careful that it is something that (arguably) enhances the DM multi-channel site rather than becomes an essential part of it.
-dan
Roberto Rosselli Del Turco wrote:
Il giorno ven, 06/11/2009 alle 17.30 +0100, Dr Notis Toufexis ha scritto:
Why not create a Facebook page that dm-l members can join if they wish to?
It's there already, but severely underused ... perhaps it just needs a little more publicity (and activities ;) You know what's coming next, James, don't you? a request for DM news feed on FB! :)
Ciao
Roberto
I think you are right, Facebook is more something for major news and announcements; a "join us on Facebook" button/tab would suffice, I suppose.
Notis
2009/11/6 Dan O'Donnell daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca:
What if we tried some how adding a tab for "Facebook" at the top of the DM main page, with that tab actually moving you to facebook.com? That would result in it being more integrated into the DM experience (to use Microsoft terminology, for a second), without needing us to duplicate the newsfeed: i.e. keeping facebook's feed for more social announcements?
At the same time, Facebook is both a separate commercial entity and a massive turnoff for some people--so we need to be careful that it is something that (arguably) enhances the DM multi-channel site rather than becomes an essential part of it.
-dan
Roberto Rosselli Del Turco wrote:
Il giorno ven, 06/11/2009 alle 17.30 +0100, Dr Notis Toufexis ha scritto:
Why not create a Facebook page that dm-l members can join if they wish to?
It's there already, but severely underused ... perhaps it just needs a little more publicity (and activities ;) You know what's coming next, James, don't you? a request for DM news feed on FB! :)
Ciao
Roberto
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