On 14-02-05 10:17 AM, James Cummings wrote:
On 05/02/14 16:52, Daniel O'Donnell wrote:
I put GO::DH in tools because I really missed an "other"
category, so I wouldn't complain beyond saying there should be an
other category

Whereas I would have just not nominated it because it didn't really fit any of the categories.  I don't think the categories *should* be all encompassing of DH. Partly because that is impossible, partly because voters would have even more choices, and partly because it would need an 'other' category which would then just become a repository for highly heterogeneous materials.  So voting in that category would be comparing apples and elephants, rather than just the apples and oranges that are compared in the current categories.
Wow! That seems to me to be a pretty aggressive stance.

Basically, that advice would reduce to "DHAwards is an awards programme for the type of things we (the organisers) decide represent DH. If your project doesn't fit our categories, it means we are not interested in it and our advice would be to go away." In other words, it would suggest something that is not an open competition at all, but an editors' choice award with a public voting round. That advice, coupled with a single year eligibility criteria, would mean that the project is as much about hiding projects from view (by excluding them categorically) as bringing other ones to the fore.

I'm sure that's not what the actual goal is, but it would certainly be an unintended effect of "I wouldn't nominate it if the category isn't there." It strongly suggests that the categories are about trying to define the field in exclusionary terms as much as celebrate it. It also seems to me to be a recipe for missing innovation since it implies that the organisers can anticipate what is important in the discipline. Even if we assume, as I'm sure has to be the case, that this is not the original goal, that kind of exclusion does seem to be an unavoidable result of the approach.

I'm afraid in that case, I have to agree with Ernesto's criticism. The award implicitly seems to claim to be a very different thing than it actually, in practice, is. Its name and rhetoric imply that it is about celebrating the range of of practice in DH. The advice not to nominate a project if it doesn't fit the proposed categories, however, implies that it is really about celebrating whatever subset of DH the organisers think is important. That just seems really dangerous.

I hate to say it, because I still think it is a great and elegant idea at heart, but I don't think I can support a competition that seems to be willing to put its thumb on the scale like that. I thought that the category issue was growing pains coupled with an unfortunate one year eligibility period (if the eligibility were longer, you could presumably wait until a suitable category was proposed). But if the categories are meant to be exclusionary and the fact that projects fall between the category cracks is not an accident but evidence that they should not be considered, then I think it may do more harm than good.

I'm really sorry to come to that conclusion, because it really is an initiative I want to support and think is good. But I think this may be showing that the category issue is actually maybe a fundamental thing.


(and that would be a mild complaint: having been
on the receiving end of complaints before, let me emphasise that
I think DHAwards is a great achievement, creating value out of
nothing on a budget of close to or exactly 0).

For those interested the technical setup, dhawards.org is a mirror of a similarly named sub-domain on my dreamhost.com fully-hosted personal domain. It just mirrors the sub-domain DNS and so it appears at that address but is hosted at the subdomain. Thus the only 'cost' is the domain name registration as part of my dreamhost account. If one was to cost the time... well you don't want to know. I would estimate that any individual member of the nominations committee who actively contributes to the debates and reviewing of the nominations, and advertises it, is probably donating a couple full days of work overall. As the one creating the spreadsheets, anonymising the nominations, setting up the site, forms, prodding the committee, emailing nominated resources, answering feedback, cleansing and tallying votes, etc.  I probably spend about 1-2 weeks worth of time.  I should probably come up with a slightly better system for display and review of the nominated resources -- currently people mark their votes/notes in a google spreadsheet. (suggestions appreciated.)
And this is why I don't like where the category discussion is leading my thinking, anyway. We should be thankful for the initiative and the effort.

It didn't seem
like it was for fun, or that it was not-in-English, or that it
was a mobilisation effort (i.e. public-facing). I figured in an
imperfect world, a Community of Practice is sort of a tool if no
better category exists. It fit the narrative definition, anyway.

I could see an argument for Public Audiences (erm, but not _really_ by the definition). But again, we decided to err on the side of including it. But yes, if we had a 'Community of Practice' category this coming year, then it would miss out...not having been created in that year. (As others have argued here.)

And all the members of this list can vote for it and we will be
the one tool to rule them all. Mwah hah hah!

Perhaps. I probably shouldn't note this (since it is probably unfair on the others in that category) but you are currently the second runner-up.  But that people have seen it, voted for it, learned about it, is hopefully the real benefit. But also I've not gone through a removed duplicate voters yet, so someone who votes for you under lots of different accounts or the same account many times may lower your score. ;-)

I actually might have accidentally voted twice.

Since we're not a tool in the classic sense (<northAmericanDialectJokeAlert>well my brothers often argued that I was</northAmericanDialectJokeAlert>), it wouldn't surprise me if we don't win. And indeed, there are some great tools there, in the more normal sense, that deserve to.

I'm being critical above, but really want to emphasise that I think it is a great initiative and I am grateful to you for the work you put into it. I do think that category issue (and/or the eligibility period) is going to have to be addressed if it isn't going to end up marginalising itself. But I really want it to succeed.


-James


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