dm-l February 2013

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Fwd: [dm-l] Jan 2013: 256 BAV MSs accessible on-line
by Cormier, Raymond 03 Feb '13

03 Feb '13

Back in late 2009, I tried to obtain permission from the BAV to use one image of a folio from a Virgil manuscript as a cover or at least as a frontispiece for my forthcoming monograph, "The Methods of Medieval Translators (2011). Permission denied. -Raymond Cormier Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab -------- Original message -------- Subject:Re: [dm-l] Jan 2013: 256 BAV MSs accessible on-line From:Neven Jovanović <neven.jovanovic(a)ffzg.hr> To:dm-l@uleth.ca Cc: Hi, regarding Vatican's copyright statement, I think that there are some things that can be built, or prototyped -- e. g. a text linking to a page of a MS like they did in <monumenta.ch> -- that do not infringe Vatican Library's copyright. Such projects, surely, risk that the link will vanish overnight -- but the site does offer us (in German, I guess) "Persistente URL" for its images. And I guess that it would depend what we ask the authorisation for. A scholarly undertaking, such as publishing an on-line edition which uses BAV's images, should be acceptable, and they should actually be glad that somebody wants to do this. Otherwise, why spend so much money for digitisation? Best, Neven Jovanovic Zagreb, Croatia > On 2 February 2013 02:58, Dot Porter <dot.porter(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> "Neither the text nor the images may be reproduced, in any form, without >> the authorisation of the Vatican Library, 00120, Vatican City. " >> > > Is this from the BAV website? I haven't noticed that... If it means the > BAV > think they hold a copyright on the *TEXT* in the manuscript, that's totaly > unheard of - and absurd! :s > Or does "text" refer to the manuscript descriptions? In this case, fair > enough. > > Marjorie, a bit puzzled :) > Digital Medievalist -- http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/ > Journal: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/journal/ > Journal Editors: editors _AT_ digitalmedievalist.org > News: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/news/ > Wiki: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/wiki/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/digitalmedieval > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=49320313760 > Discussion list: dm-l(a)uleth.ca > Change list options: http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/dm-l Digital Medievalist -- http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/ Journal: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/journal/ Journal Editors: editors _AT_ digitalmedievalist.org News: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/news/ Wiki: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/wiki/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/digitalmedieval Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gidI320313760 Discussion list: dm-l(a)uleth.ca Change list options: http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/dm-l

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Re: [dm-l] Jan 2013: 256 BAV MSs accessible on-line
by Peter Robinson 03 Feb '13

03 Feb '13

Am I the only person who is bothered by this very common arrangement -- we can link to the images on the BAV site but we *cannot* incorporate the images (unless we get all the permissions to do this, and that is no easy task) into our own sites? That is: we have to use their viewer; so we cannot do anything else with the images we might want (e.g., enhance them in various ways; or link them dynamically to transcripts a la T-Pen so we can see text overlaid on the image, etc. I think there are really strong arguments in favour of libraries etc NOT trying to maintain this hold over the images. It will make scholarship based on the images increasingly difficult. Peter Peter Robinson Honorary Research Fellow, ITSEE, University of Birmingham, UK Bateman Professor of English 9 Campus Drive, University of Saskatchewan Saskatoon SK S7N 5A5, Canada

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BAV and Copyfraud
by Klaus Graf 02 Feb '13

02 Feb '13

In the US and Europe is claiming copyright in manuscript reproductions Copyfraud. These image are in the Public Domain. There is no valid contract between the user and the BAV restricting its ability to do with them what he wants. Please note that these reproductions are made by the University Library Heidelberg and you can use them there: http://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/de/bpd/virtuelle_bibliothek/codpallat/inde… To use software tools for getting the largest resolution is absolutely legal regarding Public Domain images, see e.g. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Zoomable_images http://jk.g6.cz/dezoomify.html Klaus Graf http://archivalia.tumblr.com/

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Re: [dm-l] Jan 2013: 256 BAV MSs accessible on-line
by Peter Robinson 02 Feb '13

02 Feb '13

actually, you can't. As is usual with these viewers, the image is delivered in tiles. To get the whole image at full resolution on one screen you would need a monitor approximately 60 inches by 40 (or 1.8 metres by 1). I know of people who spend their time happily writing bits of software to put together the whole image out of the tiles, but this is of doubtful legality even if it gets to work. Besides -- I'm aware that some (all?) tiling software has algorithms built into it which involve either scaling the image up or down, to match the magnification steps, so what comes out is likely to be different from what went in. Do we get a vote here? or a voice? or anything at all? p On 2 Feb 2013, at 16:34, Ralph Mathisen wrote: > One can always take a high-res screen shot :) > Cheers, > Ralph > Ralph Mathisen > > From: P.M.Robinson(a)bham.ac.uk > Subject: Re: [dm-l] Jan 2013: 256 BAV MSs accessible on-line > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 15:55:52 -0600 > To: dm-l(a)uleth.ca > > Am I the only person who is bothered by this very common arrangement -- we can link to the images on the BAV site but we *cannot* incorporate the images (unless we get all the permissions to do this, and that is no easy task) into our own sites? That is: we have to use their viewer; so we cannot do anything else with the images we might want (e.g., enhance them in various ways; or link them dynamically to transcripts a la T-Pen so we can see text overlaid on the image, etc. > I think there are really strong arguments in favour of libraries etc NOT trying to maintain this hold over the images. It will make scholarship based on the images increasingly difficult. > Peter > > Peter Robinson > > Honorary Research Fellow, ITSEE, University of Birmingham, UK > > Bateman Professor of English > 9 Campus Drive, University of Saskatchewan > Saskatoon SK S7N 5A5, Canada > > > > > > > > > > Digital Medievalist -- http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/ Journal: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/journal/ Journal Editors: editors _AT_ digitalmedievalist.org News:http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/news/ Wiki: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/wiki/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/digitalmedieval Facebook:http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=49320313760 Discussion list: dm-l(a)uleth.ca Change list options: http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/dm-l Peter Robinson Honorary Research Fellow, ITSEE, University of Birmingham, UK Bateman Professor of English 9 Campus Drive, University of Saskatchewan Saskatoon SK S7N 5A5, Canada

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Jan 2013: 256 BAV MSs accessible on-line
by "Neven Jovanović" 02 Feb '13

02 Feb '13

Dear list, a treasure has recently appeared on-line: <http://www.vaticanlibrary.va/home.php?pag=mss_digitalizzati> Biblioteca Apostolica Vaticana Manoscritti digitalizzati elenco aggiornato al 23 gennaio 2013 There is also some bibliographic infrastructure: <http://www.mss.vatlib.it/guii/console?service=simple> The question is: what can we build with this? Best, Neven Neven Jovanovic Zagreb, Hrvatska / Croatia

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