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RE: [dm-l] Re: Exeter Book CD: for free?
by Binkley, Peter 23 Jul '04

23 Jul '04

>From the point of view of a librarian, CDs are the worst way to distribute this kind of project. We've got lots of CDs purchased in the '90s on our shelves, that are now unusable due to deterioration of the media or obsoleteness of the platform. Anything that depends on current browsers will suffer the same fate before many more of us have tenure. An online source, with institutional backing that ensures it will stay online and be maintained as technology changes, is much to be prefered. I'd be willing to sacrifice a lot of functionality for the sake of permanence, since the functionality will evaporate anyway with the next generation of browsers. The ongoing institutional support has to be sufficient to re-engineer the project from time to time to keep it working with new browsers and other tools as yet unimagined, which is no small commitment. It makes sense therefore to avoid doing one-off development and instead develop standard tools and protocols for presenting these projects. Peter Binkley Digital Initiatives Technology Librarian Information Technology Services 4-30 Cameron Library University of Alberta Libraries Edmonton, Alberta Canada T6G 2J8 Phone: (780) 492-3743 Fax: (780) 492-9243 e-mail: peter.binkley(a)ualberta.ca > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Baker [mailto:psb6m@virginia.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 06:36 AM > To: elizabeth.solopova(a)bodley.ox.ac.uk; Digital Medievalist > Community mailing list > Subject: Re: [dm-l] Re: Exeter Book CD: for free? > > > Digital Medievalist Journal (Inaugural Issue Fall 2004). Call > for papers: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/cfp.htm > ---------------- > Thanks for this clarification, Elizabeth. I was very excited > to find the > Bod's images site just as I was preparing to teach Exodus to my grad. > seminar last spring. What the Bod is doing here seems a good > solution: > the images are available for free; you can get an accurate > text of the > Junius poems free too. But the CD adds value for those > willing and able > to pony up the (perfectly reasonable) £50. > > Well, it adds value for most. Not for me, since I run Linux. > Not for the > large numbers of medievalists who run Mac OS X. I think it a really > dreadful mistake to use MS's extensions to JavaScript, > forcing people to > use The Worst Browser Now Available. On the other hand, the > Dictionary > of Old English made the same mistake, so at least you're in > good company. > > Peter > > Elizabeth Solopova wrote: > > >Digital Medievalist Journal (Inaugural Issue Fall 2004). Call for > >papers: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/cfp.htm > >---------------- > >Dear All, > > > >The Junius 11 CD-ROM (Bodleian Digital Texts 1) was published by > >the Bodleian rather than OUP. The Bodleian supported the project > >financially (the development of software), provided the images and > >contributed to the development of the interface. All the > technical and > >academic work was done by Burnard Muir and his team. The > images published > >on the CD were already available when the work on the > project started six > >years ago: they are still available free of charge for > personal use by > >researchers via Early Manuscripts at Oxford University > >(http://image.ox.ac.uk/). The next project in the series > will be MS. Auct. > >F. 2.13 (Terence's Comedies). The images are also available > via the Early > >Manuscripts at Oxford University site. The CD-ROM works only > with Internet > >Explorer because Microsoft's implementation of JavaScript > was used (you may > >have noticed the use of JavaScript in the extract posted by > Martin). As far > >as I know Burnard Muir's team will try to overcome this > limitation in the > >next CD-ROM. > > > >Elizabeth > > > >Dr. Elizabeth Solopova > >Department of Special Collections and Western Manuscripts Bodleian > >Library Broad Street > >Oxford OX1 3BG > >Tel.: +44 (0)1865-277073 > >E-mail: es(a)bodley.ox.ac.uk > >Internet: > >http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/ > >http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/dept/scwmss/ > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Project web site: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/ > >dm-l mailing list > >dm-l(a)uleth.ca > >http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/dm-l > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Project web site: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/ > dm-l mailing list > dm-l(a)uleth.ca > http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/dm-l >

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Administration: Sorry about MIME attack; all messages with attachments will now be rejected
by Daniel O'Donnell 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Hello all, Sorry about the three messages with attachments (please don't open them). I've now set the controls of the list so that no attachments will be distributed. This should stop the danger of viruses being passed around. I am not in Lethbridge and so can't double check, but I believe we may still get virus messages passed on if the body of the e-mail contains plain text; but they will be send without the offending attachment. If for some reason you need to post an example or would like to send an attachment, the correct etiquette is to put it on a web page somewhere and send a link. But everybody sending legitimate information thus far has done that. Once again, sorry for not anticipating the problem. -dan -- Daniel Paul O'Donnell Associate Professor of English University of Lethbridge Lethbridge AB T1K 3M4 Tel. +1 (403) 329-2377 Fax. +1 (403) 382-7191

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RE: [dm-l] Re: Bits vs. atoms
by Binkley, Peter 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

You can, if your license allows, and you have the facilities and staff time to set it up and figure out which CDs are worth treating this way (you probably don't have the capacity to do it for every back-of-the-book cd); but it still doesn't solve the problem of CDs that require a particular client software to run on the workstation, or that only work with Netscape 3.0 ... Standards will certainly help; but I suspect that projects with lots of interactivity and all the bells and whistles will still need to be tweaked as new generations of browsers come along, no matter how carefully they attempt to comply with current standards. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Martin K. Foys To: Digital Medievalist Community mailing list Sent: 7/20/2004 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [dm-l] Re: Bits vs. atoms Digital Medievalist Journal (Inaugural Issue Fall 2004). Call for papers: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/cfp.htm ---------------- Sure, sure. But can't you archive most of the CDs, and even run them in network environments, once you have purchased them? ~ Martin Foys On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:14:30 -0600 "Binkley, Peter" <Peter.Binkley(a)ualberta.ca> wrote: > Digital Medievalist Journal (Inaugural Issue Fall 2004). Call for > papers: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/cfp.htm > ---------------- > >From the point of view of a librarian, CDs are the worst way to > >distribute > this kind of project. We've got lots of CDs purchased in the '90s on > our > shelves, that are now unusable due to deterioration of the media or > obsoleteness of the platform. Anything that depends on current > browsers will > suffer the same fate before many more of us have tenure. An online > source, > with institutional backing that ensures it will stay online and be > maintained as technology changes, is much to be prefered. I'd be > willing to > sacrifice a lot of functionality for the sake of permanence, since > the > functionality will evaporate anyway with the next generation of > browsers. > The ongoing institutional support has to be sufficient to > re-engineer the > project from time to time to keep it working with new browsers and > other > tools as yet unimagined, which is no small commitment. It makes > sense > therefore to avoid doing one-off development and instead develop > standard > tools and protocols for presenting these projects. > > Peter Binkley > Digital Initiatives Technology Librarian > Information Technology Services > 4-30 Cameron Library > University of Alberta Libraries > Edmonton, Alberta > Canada T6G 2J8 > Phone: (780) 492-3743 > Fax: (780) 492-9243 > e-mail: peter.binkley(a)ualberta.ca > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Peter Baker [mailto:psb6m@virginia.edu] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 06:36 AM > > To: elizabeth.solopova(a)bodley.ox.ac.uk; Digital Medievalist > > Community mailing list > > Subject: Re: [dm-l] Re: Exeter Book CD: for free? > > > > > > Digital Medievalist Journal (Inaugural Issue Fall 2004). Call > > for papers: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/cfp.htm > > ---------------- > > Thanks for this clarification, Elizabeth. I was very excited > > to find the > > Bod's images site just as I was preparing to teach Exodus to my > >grad. > > seminar last spring. What the Bod is doing here seems a good > > solution: > > the images are available for free; you can get an accurate > > text of the > > Junius poems free too. But the CD adds value for those > > willing and able > > to pony up the (perfectly reasonable) £50. > > > > Well, it adds value for most. Not for me, since I run Linux. > > Not for the > > large numbers of medievalists who run Mac OS X. I think it a really > > dreadful mistake to use MS's extensions to JavaScript, > > forcing people to > > use The Worst Browser Now Available. On the other hand, the > > Dictionary > > of Old English made the same mistake, so at least you're in > > good company. > > > > Peter > > > > Elizabeth Solopova wrote: > > > > >Digital Medievalist Journal (Inaugural Issue Fall 2004). Call for > > >papers: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/cfp.htm > > >---------------- > > >Dear All, > > > > > >The Junius 11 CD-ROM (Bodleian Digital Texts 1) was published by > > >the Bodleian rather than OUP. The Bodleian supported the project > > >financially (the development of software), provided the images and > > >contributed to the development of the interface. All the > > technical and > > >academic work was done by Burnard Muir and his team. The > > images published > > >on the CD were already available when the work on the > > project started six > > >years ago: they are still available free of charge for > > personal use by > > >researchers via Early Manuscripts at Oxford University > > >(http://image.ox.ac.uk/). The next project in the series > > will be MS. Auct. > > >F. 2.13 (Terence's Comedies). The images are also available > > via the Early > > >Manuscripts at Oxford University site. The CD-ROM works only > > with Internet > > >Explorer because Microsoft's implementation of JavaScript > > was used (you may > > >have noticed the use of JavaScript in the extract posted by > > Martin). As far > > >as I know Burnard Muir's team will try to overcome this > > limitation in the > > >next CD-ROM. > > > > > >Elizabeth > > > > > >Dr. Elizabeth Solopova > > >Department of Special Collections and Western Manuscripts Bodleian > > >Library Broad Street > > >Oxford OX1 3BG > > >Tel.: +44 (0)1865-277073 > > >E-mail: es(a)bodley.ox.ac.uk > > >Internet: > > >http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/ > > >http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/dept/scwmss/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Project web site: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/ > > >dm-l mailing list > > >dm-l(a)uleth.ca > > >http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/dm-l > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Project web site: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/ > > dm-l mailing list > > dm-l(a)uleth.ca > > http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/dm-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Project web site: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/ > dm-l mailing list > dm-l(a)uleth.ca > http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/dm-l ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Martin K. Foys Assistant Professor Department of English Hood College Frederick, MD 21701 vox: 301~696~3740 fax: 301~696~3586 ether: foys(a)hood.edu Bayeux Tapestry Digital Edition, Choice 2004 Outstanding Academic Title: http://www.boydell.co.uk/choice.htm _______________________________________________ Project web site: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/ dm-l mailing list dm-l(a)uleth.ca http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/dm-l

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Re: [dm-l] Re: Exeter Book CD: for free?
by Barbara Bordalejo 20 Jul '04

20 Jul '04

I am sorry to have to say this, but why do people assume that because a book is in electronic format it should be free? I find it very strange than even those familiar with the work that goes into electronic publications would suggest that it should be free of charge. The site about Open Access referred to by Klaus is clearly intended for journals and similar publications, not for works as the Exeter CD. Indeed, I cannot imagine approaching Andy Orchard, for example, and saying, "I always wanted to buy _Pride and Prodigies_, but it is too expensive, could I have it for free?" This is the kind of publication we are talking about, not articles in journals; but incredibly complex publications that, more often than not, require the cooperation of a team of people. Those who think that publishing on the internet is free should take into account costs such as maintenance and upgrading. Someone has to care for the texts on the internet for these to remain available. In some cases, without university support, a private individual will even have to pay for the space on the internet. Of course we all want more access to primary materials and libraries are doing a good job digitizing their books, making them available and maintaining the sites. We should be happy that we can count on this and stop trying to get everything for free. Best, Barbara Bordalejo ----- Original Message ----- From: Klaus Graf <klaus.graf(a)geschichte.uni-freiburg.de> Date: Monday, July 19, 2004 4:20 pm Subject: [dm-l] Re: Exeter Book CD > Digital Medievalist Journal (Inaugural Issue Fall 2004). Call for > papers: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/cfp.htm > ---------------- > In my opinion an Open Acess web page with the digitized > Exter book in reasonable quality would be better than any > CD. > > Klaus Graf > -- > PS: What is Open Access: > http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/overview.htm > > _______________________________________________ > Project web site: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/ > dm-l mailing list > dm-l(a)uleth.ca > http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/dm-l >

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Re: [dm-l] Re: Exeter Book CD: for free?
by James Cummings 20 Jul '04

20 Jul '04

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Peter Baker wrote: > Digital Medievalist Journal (Inaugural Issue Fall 2004). Call for papers: > http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/cfp.htm > ---------------- > Thanks for this clarification, Elizabeth. I was very excited to find the Bod's > images site just as I was preparing to teach Exodus to my grad. seminar last > spring. What the Bod is doing here seems a good solution: the images are > available for free; you can get an accurate text of the Junius poems free too. > But the CD adds value for those willing and able to pony up the (perfectly > reasonable) �50. > > Well, it adds value for most. Not for me, since I run Linux. Not for the large > numbers of medievalists who run Mac OS X. I think it a really dreadful mistake > to use MS's extensions to JavaScript, forcing people to use The Worst Browser > Now Available. On the other hand, the Dictionary of Old English made the same > mistake, so at least you're in good company. Just a note that the Toronto Dictionary of Old English Complete Corpus is available for free from the Oxford Text Archive. As is the York-Toronto-Helsinki parsed corpus of Old English prose. (You must complete a form for these resources though.). -James > > Peter > > Elizabeth Solopova wrote: > > > Digital Medievalist Journal (Inaugural Issue Fall 2004). Call for papers: > > http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/cfp.htm > > ---------------- > > Dear All, > > > > The Junius 11 CD-ROM (Bodleian Digital Texts 1) was published by the > > Bodleian rather than OUP. The Bodleian supported the project financially > > (the development of software), provided the images and contributed to the > > development of the interface. All the technical and academic work was done > > by Burnard Muir and his team. The images published on the CD were already > > available when the work on the project started six years ago: they are still > > available free of charge for personal use by researchers via Early > > Manuscripts at Oxford University (http://image.ox.ac.uk/). The next project > > in the series will be MS. Auct. F. 2.13 (Terence's Comedies). The images are > > also available via the Early Manuscripts at Oxford University site. The > > CD-ROM works only with Internet Explorer because Microsoft's implementation > > of JavaScript was used (you may have noticed the use of JavaScript in the > > extract posted by Martin). As far as I know Burnard Muir's team will try to > > overcome this limitation in the next CD-ROM. > > > > Elizabeth > > > > Dr. Elizabeth Solopova > > Department of Special Collections and Western Manuscripts > > Bodleian Library > > Broad Street > > Oxford OX1 3BG > > Tel.: +44 (0)1865-277073 > > E-mail: es(a)bodley.ox.ac.uk > > Internet: http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/ > > http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/dept/scwmss/ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Project web site: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/ > > dm-l mailing list > > dm-l(a)uleth.ca > > http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/dm-l > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Project web site: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/ > dm-l mailing list > dm-l(a)uleth.ca > http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/dm-l > > --- Dr James Cummings, Oxford Text Archive, University of Oxford James dot Cummings at oucs dot ox dot ac dot uk

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resource of interest
by Paula Mae Carns 20 Jul '04

20 Jul '04

Kathleen, This note about Old English text might interest you. The OTA is lsited on the English page of the Medieval Studies site. Hope you're having fun wherever you are! Paula ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:25:53 +0200 >From: Roberto Rosselli Del Turco <rosselli(a)ling.unipi.it> >Subject: Re: [dm-l] Re: Exeter Book CD: for free? >To: James.Cummings(a)computing-services.oxford.ac.uk, Digital Medievalist Community mailing list <dm-l(a)uleth.ca> > >Digital Medievalist Journal (Inaugural Issue Fall 2004). Call for papers: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/cfp.htm >---------------- >Il mar, 2004-07-20 alle 15:55, James Cummings ha scritto: >> >> Just a note that the Toronto Dictionary of Old English Complete Corpus >> is available for free from the Oxford Text Archive. As is the >> York-Toronto-Helsinki parsed corpus of Old English prose. (You must complete >> a form for these resources though.). > >Nice! URL of the form(s) to complete? > >Ciao > >-- > >Roberto Rosselli Del Turco roberto.rossellidelturco at unito.it >Dipartimento di Scienze rosselli at ling.unipi.it >del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA >Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) > > Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, > mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3) > > > >_______________________________________________ >Project web site: http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/ >dm-l mailing list >dm-l(a)uleth.ca >http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/dm-l Paula Mae Carns, M.S., Ph.D. Spanish, Italian & Portuguese Languages and Literatures Specialist and Assistant Professor of Library Administration Modern Languages and Linguistics Library University of Illinois Library Room 425 1408 W. Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 (MC-522) Phone: 217-244-0483 Fax: 217-333-2214 Email: pcarns(a)uiuc.edu

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Re: Exeter Book CD
by Klaus Graf 20 Jul '04

20 Jul '04

In my opinion an Open Acess web page with the digitized Exter book in reasonable quality would be better than any CD. Klaus Graf -- PS: What is Open Access: http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/overview.htm

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by Lucien.reynhout 19 Jul '04

19 Jul '04

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Open Access to Heritage Collections
by Klaus Graf 19 Jul '04

19 Jul '04

"Nor need OA even be limited to literature. It can apply to any digital content, from raw data to learning objects, music, images, and software. It can apply to works that are born digital or to older works, like public-domain literature and cultural-heritage objects, digitized later in life." (From Peter Suber's Open Access Overview) http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/overview.htm Making the content of heritage collections free available in the world wide web is the best way to support scholarly research. Libraries and archives should allow Open Access editions of works in their property. Seeing this property as a cultural property there is no place for permission barriers concerning reproductions. On the taxpayer argument for OA see: http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/newsletter/09-04-03.htm May be you are able without knowing German to understand the dramatic developments for university libraries resulting from the journal price crisis the Regensburg university library has shown with statistical graphs at http://www.bibliothek.uni-regensburg.de/allgem/krise/krise.htm Purchasing monographs in the humanities has been influenced by the increasing STM journal prices. Klaus Graf

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Call for Papers (deadline extended) - Ancient Studies, New Technology III (Dec 3-5 2004)
by Michael L. Norton 19 Jul '04

19 Jul '04

The third biennial conference on the topic of "Ancient Studies -- New Technology: The World Wide Web and Scholarly Research, Communication, and Publication in Ancient, Byzantine, and Medieval Studies" will be held December 3-5, 2004, at James Madison University, Harrisonburg, VA. Topics of particular interest include: the digital museum; the digital classroom; the digital scholar; and theoretical issues such as "knowledge representation" Three hundred word electronic abstracts dealing with these issues and with other ways in which the WEB can help to promote classical, ancient, Byzantine, and medieval studies may be directed to Ralph Mathisen, Program Chair, at: ralphwm(a)uiuc.edu Snail Mail : Department of History, 309 Gregory Hall, University of Illinois, Urbana, IL 61801. Deadline for receipt of abstracts is August 31, 2004 Conference web site: http://www.cisat.jmu.edu/asnt3 /**************************************** * Michael L. Norton, Ph.D. * Computer Science Dept. * ISAT/CS #209 * MSC 4103 * James Madison University * Harrisonburg, VA 22807 * (540_568-2777 * nortonml(a)jmu.edu ***************************************/

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