I guess Amy that I wonder if the two are necessarily that antithetical.
One way of seeing things is to say that GO::DH would now be a hierarchical structure that had People Who Were On the ADHO Steering Committee at the top. This is the way that all the other COs (AFAIK) operate, including the one I know best other than GO::DH, namely the Canadians. It's a pretty standard way of organising scholarly societies and has its strengths, but it is true that institutional longevity and continuity tends to become central and they tend to become conservative (though that goes up and down--look at the ACH).
Although GO::DH always has had that structure--we've always had a chair and some other officers and bylaws--it is also true that we have been more informal about it than others. The first executive was anybody who self-nominated, and we've had elections for the other years, but with considerable churn in the different positions.
But there is another way of understanding GO::DH's potential relationship to ADHO: that is as a social movement that also has some representatives on (say) the ADHO Steering Committee. That is to say, basically the organisation we have now with, in addition to secretary, and chair and vice chair, a couple of other officer positions sitting on whatever ADHO organs are available. Assuming any arrangement we allows the same "come as you are" philosophy, I'm not sure that this must affect the grass-roots, experimental approach we've taken. We'd just also be part of, say the DH Conference Committee.
My main thing is that I've been deeply impressed by the people who have made GO::DH what it is--and remember many if not most of the movers and shakers thus far have been junior academics and researchers. It also has a diversity that you don't see elsewhere (I believe I was the minority as an anglophone born in the North every year I was on the executive). Neither of these is anything that's true of any other COs, as far as I'm aware.
In other words, I think it would be a direct shot of what is important and new in DH directly into the committees that run our journals and conferences. It would put largely junior scholars with really different experiences directly at the heart of ADHO. And that would be both good for ADHO and the culmination of the grass roots movement we've been developing.
Perhaps because of my privilege, I'm not concerned about us being able to influence ADHO--I think it is a given that we will. And again perhaps because of my privilege, I think we will be able to do so without sacrificing our grassroots nature. Assuming the details are right, I think that this would simply be the chance to bring this approach to a large canvas and give that approach some additional tools for continuing its great work.
Anyway. I should be quiet now. I think this is the case for hearing what might be on offer, though I really very deeply respect both the people who are against the idea and the arguments they are making. For me, the main thing is that we can always say "no thanks" after we hear what's on offer, but it is harder to hear what's on offer if we begin by saying "no thanks." I think we should be extremely critical (in the judicious sense of the word) about any proposal we do come up with to ensure that it doesn't threaten this core social movement, but that it also makes sense to see what might come up.
But in the end, I also very much trust the people in GO::DH to do what's right for the organisation and respect the views that say there are principled reasons for deciding it just isn't even a road we want to go down tentatively. I think that they are wrong in the sense that I still think we could investigate it productively. But these arguments against also make me much less certain that I'm right. On the balance, I think we should see what we could come up with as a proposal and I think it is likely that everybody would be even better off as a member of ADHO. But I'm not certain about it and I don't think GO::DH would collapse if it didn't.
That's it for me for a while. I've spoken too much already.
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________________________________ From: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca on behalf of Amy Earhart aearhart@tamu.edu Sent: October 16, 2017 17:17 To: globaloutlookdh-l, MailList Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] Why we should leave ADHO, go minimal and return to the planet.
Hello all,
It seems a large part of this discussion is not about ADHO, but rather about if we think our goals are best accomplished in an organizational structure. In some ways putting GO::DH into a large organization like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a very grass roots organization that resisted hierarchies, committees, officers, etc. and rather used social media and loose collaborations to create some sort of a movement or to create small projects. To me we are much more like a social movement, a political movement, than we are a typical academic organization. I think we are at a moment where we need to figure out if such a beginning should be contained within an organization for positive benefits, reject such organizational structures as antithetical to our goals or to come up with some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking about the issue as less about ADHO and more in this structural way has helped me to consider what might be at stake and where we might go.
Best,
Amy
Amy E. Earhart Associate Professor of English Texas A&M University
________________________________ From: globaloutlookdh-l <globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.camailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca> on behalf of Roopika Risam <rrisam@gmail.commailto:rrisam@gmail.com> Sent: October 16, 2017 4:16 To: globaloutlookdh-l, MailList Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] Why we should leave ADHO, go minimal and return to the planet.
Ernesto,
I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.
Roopika
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On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego <efpriego@gmail.commailto:efpriego@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for this, Alex.
We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.
Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?
Thank you!
Ernesto
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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil <colibri.alex@gmail.commailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com> wrote: Dear all,
As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we should leave ADHOhttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1BBq-2DmXnzJgw-5F5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=73InZUBn6feW_NnsRKa9QhqWZVq3M7z5CAMW6JU_LMc&e=. The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc.
A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations.
After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way."
We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.
We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair.
All best, Alex.
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