I like idea #1, which lets the community choose the languages they want without us having to guess beforehand the needs. I also like the idea of ISO, but being comprehensive is going to be tricky.
I'm also liking this a lot!
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Daniel O'Donnell daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote:
Since the DH people know that button manufacturer and it looks like Elika could take them, I think we should go with their vendor. It eliminates one step of researching somebody.
They have a good design template if somebody wants to use it (Elika: since you had the original design, would you want to try again for a Button using their templates?). The only thing we'd need to find out is whether you can write on the buttons with a sharpy.
I can see a couple of alternatives:
- We print up 200 or so buttons with something like "I whisper [or
whatever] _______________" (i.e. they fill in the blank with a sharpy). Cost: about $100. 2. We print up smaller number of buttons (25 of each?) with specific languages: "I whisper SPA," "I whisper ITA," etc. Cost, probably closer to $250.
Maybe for the first time #1 is the best idea? If so, we could even put the ISO codes for common languages in small print around the edge of the button (the vendor allows you to use that bit for URLs, etc. That would make them completely self-contained: FRA, SPA, ITA, what are some others?
Liking this a lot.
-dan
On 14-06-20 04:08 PM, Alex Gil wrote:
I'd be happy to take some with me as well when all is sorted out.
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Élika Ortega elikaortega@gmail.com wrote:
I will double check, but I'm pretty sure they ship. If that's the case, and it doesn't add much to the cost, I'm happy to take them to Lausanne myself.
Happy weekend, everyone!
Élika On Jun 20, 2014 4:14 PM, "Daniel O'Donnell" daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote:
Since the basic issue (and condition that allows this to work) is that we are all stronger or weaker in English, I suspect you are right that there is an implicit "+ENG" on every button. You know another option might be: GO::DH "Talk to me _____________" Ultimately, though the more important thing is that we do something rather than that we do the perfect thing.
Well, I think we are well on the way. I'd say we are looking at a button with the GO::DH logo on it and a line for writing language(s) on. We can set them up at DH with a list of ISO language codes and a couple of sharpies for writing them on. The prices are really good, so we can totally do 3" buttons (100 would be about $70).
The only issue is design and Delivery: the DH bus button maker is in Toronto, so we'd need somebody from there to pick them up and bring them to Lausanne if we went with them; otherwise, we need to find a button manufacturer near somebody who is going.
I looked at the templates, but GIMP doesn't support CMYK formats out of the box (and I'm not a great designer anyway).
As I say, I can reimburse anybody for it as I have funding that I can use for this. I can also deal directly with the manufacturer if they are willing and somebody arranges it. It looks like we are going to be well under $200.
If we can get a manufacturer and design by Monday near somebody who is going to Lausanne, I think we are on.
Well done.
-dan
On 14-06-20 01:09 PM, Giorgio Guzzetta wrote:
I would say that for the first experiment one language (the native language) would be enough. Especially if the idea of “whispering” works, that one is not an easy task, I think. I would call it a semi-professional interpreting job, so I think it should be done with native languages only. [obviously we are ignoring here another important aspect, that with “whispering" we might actually end up exploiting volunteer labour in order to save money from a proper translation work :-) To say the least we should think of making a list of the whisperers and thank them officially somewhere]
This is why I proposed "I can help with", because in that case you don’t have to add English as a language, it would be implicit (and since as humans we are smarter than computers, we don’t need to tag implicit knowledge, do we? ;-)
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On 20 Jun 2014, at 20:47, Élika Ortega elikaortega@gmail.com wrote:
Hello!
Maybe "I speak" would the the most obvious. I also like Giorgio's idea. They're both easy to include in various languages as originally thought in the first design I sent yesterday--if we were to use that.
Pins seem easiest to attach to conf name tags. I asked the DH Maker Bus folks about their pins and they recommended this place http://crucialpins.com/ which seems pretty reasonable. Stickers should be even cheaper.
Considering size limitations, what if we only included the GO::DH logo on the sticker or pin and blank space to write on? Is it too obtuse? Otherwise we might have to use just one language.
Élika
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Giorgio Guzzetta guzzettg@gmail.com wrote:
"I can help" or "I can help with"?
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Daniel O'Donnell < daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
Hi all,
So I think if we are going to do this, we need to act: we'd need to find a supplier over the weekend and get them ordered.
I looked into flags but I think in the end James was write and we should use ISO language codes or something: flags are too political and hard to source.
We're thinking of a small sticker with something like "I can whisper in _________." If possible using Elika's design, but a) we want to keep the costs down and b) it has to stick on the nametags people will have (so it has to be small but readable. An alternative might be a button (i.e. with a pin) if those are cheap enough, easily sourced, and can be written on.
Some practical questions:
- Who's all going to Lausanne and hence able to bring things? It
might make sense to source things close to that person (if somebody is able to arrange buttons or stickers, I can reimburse them up to let's say $300 CAD (about US$250)).
- Are we being too cute with "whisper"? I was among those who liked
it, but I wonder if "I speak," "I can interpret," or "I can share" might be more obvious.
Ideas?
-dan
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