Resending this to the whole group.--Neil
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I'd like to bring back into the mandate some language that I used in an earlier email, however the group would like to adapt it:
"We might then think about the work of GO::DH as locating dh activity in particular geographical areas not currently involved with ADHO, surveying that activity, identifying key contact people and institutions, ascertaining their interest in engaging with ADHO, and then making the handshake to Admissions."
This makes the mandate concrete and specific, suggesting the kind of work that would need to be done.
Best, Neil
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Daniel O'Donnell daniel.odonnell@uleth.cawrote:
I could see that in the idea: this is an excellent bit of language for making it explicit.
I also agree that that is the place where the most natural interest probably is. AND it reduces what was threatening to become a heavy organisational overhead.
I'm guessing in terms of organisation we are now thinking something like this:
Executive Committee consisting of 4-6 people ideally who are able to spend some modicum of time thinking about it. Membership includes reps from COs (presumably drawn from the people who were interested in it anyway) and is drawn with some eye to distribution of geographic interests or (keeping Oyvind's point in mind, hopefully geography).
Beyond that, no real limit on membership: if you are interested and want to be on the mailing list, you are in.
Mandate is to research, promote, and facilitate global participation in DH across the spectrum: encouraging researchers, institutions, students, etc. to get in contact with each other and collaborate; encourage and foster the development of organisations supporting DH in areas that currently do not have a large presence in the ADHO community, generally focus on encouraging contacts.
That's not so elegantly stated, but I'm sure we've had good language earlier in the discussion.
On 12-10-18 12:34 PM, Neil Fraistat wrote:
Right, Dan. The point would be that Admissions hands off the relevant follow up to the appropriate committee; much of what arises will certainly not concern admission at the organization level.
Neil
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Daniel O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca <mailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.**cadaniel.odonnell@uleth.ca>> wrote:
I agree. I think this proposal also avoids the potential for conflict in mandate with the Multilingual and MultiCultural committee. Elisabeth was quite comfortable with everything last time we talked, but I have still always worried about mandates clashing in practice or appearance. The only caveat I would suggest to this is is that I think it would be a mistake to see us as working narrowly on admissions issues. GO::DH seems to me to be more community development rather than straight on admissions--though that is obviously not in conflict with admissions. So, for example, a perfectly reasonable result would be an increase in African individual participation in the ALLC, or Latin American participation at DH, rather than the creation of an African or Latin American DH society. I realise that narrowly focussing on admission to ADHO was not what was being suggested. My point only is that if a danger of being not assigned to admissions is that the mandate might start creeping around, a danger the other way is that association under admissions might have a psychological effect of narrowing it. I still think this is a great idea, though. Probably the thing to do is make sure the language about the mission and range of activities is very good. I think there have been some real steps forward here! -dan On 12-10-18 09:10 AM, Marcus Bingenheimer wrote: Neil and Ray, Personally I would be very comfortable working within thisframework (GO::DH reporting to Admissions). It seems like a good basis for discussions with prospective ADHO or Centernet members in India and China.
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Dear All
Sorry to be chipping a bit late into the conversation, but a quick note to say that in principle I'm entirely content with the suggestion that GO::DH operate within the ambit of the Admissions Committee. Picking up Dan's concern about scope - and indeed Neil's language, here are two clauses already in the Terms of Reference of the Admissions Committee, as approved in Hamburg:
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5. Outreach and Advice. To initiate as well as respond in discussions with associations whose interests overlap with or are complementary to those of ADHO, in order to explore the suitability and desirability of a formal relationship wih ADHO, whether as a CO or AO.
6. Support for new or emergent associations. To offer advice and support for groups who have recently formed a digital humanities association or who are planning to do so. Where potential COs are concerned, the emphasis will be on geographical regions where no such organisation yet exists, or where there is not yet a CO within the ADHO family.
--------------------- We'll certainly want to make some amendments to the ToR document to reflect the final decisions on GO::DH, but there already seems to be a natural 'flow' from the general outreach activities proposed for GO::DH to the Admissions Committee remit - i.e. GO::DH will be exploring and cultivating relationships, and if/when these seem to be leading towards the formation of associations or expressions of interest from associations in developing closer formal links with ADHO, then the full Admissions Committee would become involved.
And as a final thought, it's perhaps worth bearing in mind that already the Admissions Protocol envisages groups that may want to have 'Associate' status. So far we have no-one in this category, so we have no prior experience to draw on, but there would be lots of possibilities within this framework for possible links that would have a degree of formality but not full 'constituent organisation' status. What I'm saying is that this could be another natural 'handover' from GO::DH to the main Admissions Committee.
Best wishes Harold
On 18 Oct 2012, at 20:10, Neil Fraistat wrote:
Resending this to the whole group.--Neil
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Neil Fraistat <nfraistat@gmail.commailto:nfraistat@gmail.com> Date: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] Terms of reference, redux To: daniel.odonnell@uleth.camailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca
I'd like to bring back into the mandate some language that I used in an earlier email, however the group would like to adapt it:
"We might then think about the work of GO::DH as locating dh activity in particular geographical areas not currently involved with ADHO, surveying that activity, identifying key contact people and institutions, ascertaining their interest in engaging with ADHO, and then making the handshake to Admissions."
This makes the mandate concrete and specific, suggesting the kind of work that would need to be done.
Best, Neil
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Daniel O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell@uleth.camailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote: I could see that in the idea: this is an excellent bit of language for making it explicit.
I also agree that that is the place where the most natural interest probably is. AND it reduces what was threatening to become a heavy organisational overhead.
I'm guessing in terms of organisation we are now thinking something like this:
Executive Committee consisting of 4-6 people ideally who are able to spend some modicum of time thinking about it. Membership includes reps from COs (presumably drawn from the people who were interested in it anyway) and is drawn with some eye to distribution of geographic interests or (keeping Oyvind's point in mind, hopefully geography).
Beyond that, no real limit on membership: if you are interested and want to be on the mailing list, you are in.
Mandate is to research, promote, and facilitate global participation in DH across the spectrum: encouraging researchers, institutions, students, etc. to get in contact with each other and collaborate; encourage and foster the development of organisations supporting DH in areas that currently do not have a large presence in the ADHO community, generally focus on encouraging contacts.
That's not so elegantly stated, but I'm sure we've had good language earlier in the discussion.
On 12-10-18 12:34 PM, Neil Fraistat wrote: Right, Dan. The point would be that Admissions hands off the relevant follow up to the appropriate committee; much of what arises will certainly not concern admission at the organization level.
Neil
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Daniel O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell@uleth.camailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca <mailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.camailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca>> wrote:
I agree. I think this proposal also avoids the potential for conflict in mandate with the Multilingual and MultiCultural committee. Elisabeth was quite comfortable with everything last time we talked, but I have still always worried about mandates clashing in practice or appearance.
The only caveat I would suggest to this is is that I think it would be a mistake to see us as working narrowly on admissions issues. GO::DH seems to me to be more community development rather than straight on admissions--though that is obviously not in conflict with admissions.
So, for example, a perfectly reasonable result would be an increase in African individual participation in the ALLC, or Latin American participation at DH, rather than the creation of an African or Latin American DH society.
I realise that narrowly focussing on admission to ADHO was not what was being suggested. My point only is that if a danger of being not assigned to admissions is that the mandate might start creeping around, a danger the other way is that association under admissions might have a psychological effect of narrowing it.
I still think this is a great idea, though. Probably the thing to do is make sure the language about the mission and range of activities is very good.
I think there have been some real steps forward here!
-dan
On 12-10-18 09:10 AM, Marcus Bingenheimer wrote:
Neil and Ray,
Personally I would be very comfortable working within this framework (GO::DH reporting to Admissions). It seems like a good basis for discussions with prospective ADHO or Centernet members in India and China.
marcus
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This is all great. One thing I think we might want to add as we are thinking about ToRs is that entirely successful out comes for us would involve the issue Oyvind was raising: i.e. engagement on a personal level.
I certainly would be extremely pleased if some results of our work was that we had projects and collaborations extending across the boundaries that currently divide us: so that you see collaborations between researchers in Africa and Canada, or PRC and Latin America, or Latin America, Africa and Europe as much as we now see east-west collaborations.
I won't be able to return to drafting anything until the weekend, but I'm beginning to see a consensus and some language that might get us as far as a penultimate draft. I say this not to close discussion off (it is proving very productive and will continue to be so, I suspect), but to give a timeline.
On 12-10-18 02:54 PM, Short, Harold wrote:
Dear All
Sorry to be chipping a bit late into the conversation, but a quick note to say that in principle I'm entirely content with the suggestion that GO::DH operate within the ambit of the Admissions Committee. Picking up Dan's concern about scope - and indeed Neil's language, here are two clauses already in the Terms of Reference of the Admissions Committee, as approved in Hamburg:
5.*Outreach and Advice*.To initiate as well as respond in discussions with associations whose interests overlap with or are complementary to those of ADHO, in order to explore the suitability and desirability of a formal relationship wih ADHO, whether as a CO or AO.
6.*Support for new or emergent associations*.To offer advice and support for groups who have recently formed a digital humanities association or who are planning to do so.Where potential COs are concerned, the emphasis will be on geographical regions where no such organisation yet exists, or where there is not yet a CO within the ADHO family.
We'll certainly want to make some amendments to the ToR document to reflect the final decisions on GO::DH, but there already seems to be a natural 'flow' from the general outreach activities proposed for GO::DH to the Admissions Committee remit - i.e. GO::DH will be exploring and cultivating relationships, and if/when these seem to be leading towards the formation of associations or expressions of interest from associations in developing closer formal links with ADHO, then the full Admissions Committee would become involved.
And as a final thought, it's perhaps worth bearing in mind that already the Admissions Protocol envisages groups that may want to have 'Associate' status. So far we have no-one in this category, so we have no prior experience to draw on, but there would be lots of possibilities within this framework for possible links that would have a degree of formality but not full 'constituent organisation' status. What I'm saying is that this could be another natural 'handover' from GO::DH to the main Admissions Committee.
Best wishes Harold
On 18 Oct 2012, at 20:10, Neil Fraistat wrote:
Resending this to the whole group.--Neil
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Neil Fraistat* <nfraistat@gmail.com mailto:nfraistat@gmail.com> Date: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] Terms of reference, redux To: daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca mailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca
I'd like to bring back into the mandate some language that I used in an earlier email, however the group would like to adapt it:
"We might then think about the work of GO::DH as locating dh activity in particular geographical areas not currently involved with ADHO, surveying that activity, identifying key contact people and institutions, ascertaining their interest in engaging with ADHO, and then making the handshake to Admissions."
This makes the mandate concrete and specific, suggesting the kind of work that would need to be done.
Best, Neil
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Daniel O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca mailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
I could see that in the idea: this is an excellent bit of language for making it explicit. I also agree that that is the place where the most natural interest probably is. AND it reduces what was threatening to become a heavy organisational overhead. I'm guessing in terms of organisation we are now thinking something like this: Executive Committee consisting of 4-6 people ideally who are able to spend some modicum of time thinking about it. Membership includes reps from COs (presumably drawn from the people who were interested in it anyway) and is drawn with some eye to distribution of geographic interests or (keeping Oyvind's point in mind, hopefully geography). Beyond that, no real limit on membership: if you are interested and want to be on the mailing list, you are in. Mandate is to research, promote, and facilitate global participation in DH across the spectrum: encouraging researchers, institutions, students, etc. to get in contact with each other and collaborate; encourage and foster the development of organisations supporting DH in areas that currently do not have a large presence in the ADHO community, generally focus on encouraging contacts. That's not so elegantly stated, but I'm sure we've had good language earlier in the discussion. On 12-10-18 12:34 PM, Neil Fraistat wrote: Right, Dan. The point would be that Admissions hands off the relevant follow up to the appropriate committee; much of what arises will certainly not concern admission at the organization level. Neil On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Daniel O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca <mailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> <mailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.__ca <mailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca>>> wrote: I agree. I think this proposal also avoids the potential for conflict in mandate with the Multilingual and MultiCultural committee. Elisabeth was quite comfortable with everything last time we talked, but I have still always worried about mandates clashing in practice or appearance. The only caveat I would suggest to this is is that I think it would be a mistake to see us as working narrowly on admissions issues. GO::DH seems to me to be more community development rather than straight on admissions--though that is obviously not in conflict with admissions. So, for example, a perfectly reasonable result would be an increase in African individual participation in the ALLC, or Latin American participation at DH, rather than the creation of an African or Latin American DH society. I realise that narrowly focussing on admission to ADHO was not what was being suggested. My point only is that if a danger of being not assigned to admissions is that the mandate might start creeping around, a danger the other way is that association under admissions might have a psychological effect of narrowing it. I still think this is a great idea, though. Probably the thing to do is make sure the language about the mission and range of activities is very good. I think there have been some real steps forward here! -dan On 12-10-18 09:10 AM, Marcus Bingenheimer wrote: Neil and Ray, Personally I would be very comfortable working within this framework (GO::DH reporting to Admissions). It seems like a good basis for discussions with prospective ADHO or Centernet members in India and China. marcus -- Dr. Marcus Bingenheimer 馬德偉 Department of Religion, Temple University http://mbingenheimer.net <http://mbingenheimer.net/> ___________________________________________________ globaloutlookdh-l mailing list globaloutlookdh-l@uleth.ca <mailto:globaloutlookdh-l@uleth.ca> <mailto:globaloutlookdh-l@__uleth.ca <mailto:globaloutlookdh-l@uleth.ca>> http://listserv.uleth.ca/____mailman/listinfo/____globaloutlookdh-l <http://listserv.uleth.ca/__mailman/listinfo/__globaloutlookdh-l> <http://listserv.uleth.ca/__mailman/listinfo/__globaloutlookdh-l <http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/globaloutlookdh-l>> -- Daniel Paul O'Donnell Professor of English University of Lethbridge Lethbridge AB T1K 3M4 Canada +1 403 393-2539 <tel:%2B1%20403%20393-2539> <tel:%2B1%20403%20393-2539> ___________________________________________________ globaloutlookdh-l mailing list globaloutlookdh-l@uleth.ca <mailto:globaloutlookdh-l@uleth.ca> <mailto:globaloutlookdh-l@__uleth.ca <mailto:globaloutlookdh-l@uleth.ca>> http://listserv.uleth.ca/____mailman/listinfo/____globaloutlookdh-l <http://listserv.uleth.ca/__mailman/listinfo/__globaloutlookdh-l> <http://listserv.uleth.ca/__mailman/listinfo/__globaloutlookdh-l <http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/globaloutlookdh-l>> -- Neil Fraistat Professor of English & Director Maryland Institute for Technology in the Humanities (MITH) 0301 Hornbake Library University of Maryland 301-405-5896 <tel:301-405-5896> or 301-314-7111 <tel:301-314-7111> (fax) http://www.mith.umd.edu/ https://twitter.com/fraistat -- Daniel Paul O'Donnell Professor of English University of Lethbridge Lethbridge AB T1K 3M4 Canada +1 403 393-2539 <tel:%2B1%20403%20393-2539>-- Neil Fraistat Professor of English & Director Maryland Institute for Technology in the Humanities (MITH) 0301 Hornbake Library University of Maryland 301-405-5896 tel:301-405-5896 or 301-314-7111 tel:301-314-7111 (fax) http://www.mith.umd.edu/ https://twitter.com/fraistat
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