Hi all,
Laurie Taylor and I have just been talking about the idea of setting up a new working group at DH: a group focused on ways of facilitating donations of equipment or sharing services. The impetus for this comes from two projects we are thinking of at the U of L. One is to collect and donate computers that are being decommissioned this coming spring university wide (we got a grant to replace a large number of computer lab and faculty workstations); the other is some web mirroring that we are looking into doing for a university that doesn't have a very robust infrastructure. Laurie also knew of examples of donations of computing equipment in the past to Haiti, for example.
This may be is a little bit more straight aid than is the norm for GO::DH (which is primarily /not/ about aid but about sharing knowledge, research, and experience every which way). But it also may be something we may be able to help each other in: there are some logistics involved that people who've done this before elsewhere might be able to help advice on for example; there also may be a need to fundraise for certain opportunities.
What do others think? Any interest and/or experience?
-dan
Dear Dan,
I think it is a good idea, and it should be followed up. Based on my own experiment (mainly Russia in the nineties and Zimbabwe more recently) there are some issues you should consider (which you may already have, of course) -- but bear in mind, this is all anecdotical, so take it as that:
* Dumping. How would this relate to local retailers of used stuff? Of course, this is for free, but if you pay for transport, are we giving money to DHL which could have been given to a local street corner shop? The ratio value vs. transport cost is vital here. If transport cost is nil the ratio is pretty high, but if money will change hands, checking if they can end up with local businesses is a good thing.
* Legal issues, especially for equipment from the US. We did not buy stuff from Dell to be used in Zimbabwe because they were on in the Axis of Evil. I am not claiming that embargoes should never be broken and I have done my bit of "idealistic smuggling". But I would not like to see some mid level manager with no role in this suddenly finding her or himself in problems because a contract signed with Dell (as an example) is broken.
* I trust you would not fail on this one, but with a number of years of experience in the flea market "business": remember the difference between used stuff and garbage...
* For web mirroring the problem I have seen a few times is very low capacity of oversea connections, but decent capacity within the parts of the country networked. So serving the home country of the university can often be done from there, whereas for international users a foreign mirror could be very valuable.
I wish to repeat that this is all anecdotical based on my own experience, and not based on any real overview of this area.
Kind regards,
Øyvind
On 4. des. 2013, at 22:59, Daniel O'Donnell wrote:
Hi all,
Laurie Taylor and I have just been talking about the idea of setting up a new working group at DH: a group focused on ways of facilitating donations of equipment or sharing services. The impetus for this comes from two projects we are thinking of at the U of L. One is to collect and donate computers that are being decommissioned this coming spring university wide (we got a grant to replace a large number of computer lab and faculty workstations); the other is some web mirroring that we are looking into doing for a university that doesn't have a very robust infrastructure. Laurie also knew of examples of donations of computing equipment in the past to Haiti, for example.
This may be is a little bit more straight aid than is the norm for GO::DH (which is primarily not about aid but about sharing knowledge, research, and experience every which way). But it also may be something we may be able to help each other in: there are some logistics involved that people who've done this before elsewhere might be able to help advice on for example; there also may be a need to fundraise for certain opportunities.
What do others think? Any interest and/or experience?
-dan
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This is excellent. And it touches on a number of issues we'll been thinking of. The 2nd hand retailer is an issue we'd not thought of.
You wouldn't be interested in being on a steering committee for this, would you?
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-------- Original message -------- From: Øyvind Eide oyvind.eide@iln.uio.no Date: 12-05-2013 10:51 (GMT-07:00) To: "globaloutlookdh-l, MailList" globaloutlookdh-l@uleth.ca Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] A proposal for a new working group
Dear Dan,
I think it is a good idea, and it should be followed up. Based on my own experiment (mainly Russia in the nineties and Zimbabwe more recently) there are some issues you should consider (which you may already have, of course) -- but bear in mind, this is all anecdotical, so take it as that:
* Dumping. How would this relate to local retailers of used stuff? Of course, this is for free, but if you pay for transport, are we giving money to DHL which could have been given to a local street corner shop? The ratio value vs. transport cost is vital here. If transport cost is nil the ratio is pretty high, but if money will change hands, checking if they can end up with local businesses is a good thing.
* Legal issues, especially for equipment from the US. We did not buy stuff from Dell to be used in Zimbabwe because they were on in the Axis of Evil. I am not claiming that embargoes should never be broken and I have done my bit of "idealistic smuggling". But I would not like to see some mid level manager with no role in this suddenly finding her or himself in problems because a contract signed with Dell (as an example) is broken.
* I trust you would not fail on this one, but with a number of years of experience in the flea market "business": remember the difference between used stuff and garbage...
* For web mirroring the problem I have seen a few times is very low capacity of oversea connections, but decent capacity within the parts of the country networked. So serving the home country of the university can often be done from there, whereas for international users a foreign mirror could be very valuable.
I wish to repeat that this is all anecdotical based on my own experience, and not based on any real overview of this area.
Kind regards,
Øyvind
On 4. des. 2013, at 22:59, Daniel O'Donnell wrote:
Hi all,
Laurie Taylor and I have just been talking about the idea of setting up a new working group at DH: a group focused on ways of facilitating donations of equipment or sharing services. The impetus for this comes from two projects we are thinking of at the U of L. One is to collect and donate computers that are being decommissioned this coming spring university wide (we got a grant to replace a large number of computer lab and faculty workstations); the other is some web mirroring that we are looking into doing for a university that doesn't have a very robust infrastructure. Laurie also knew of examples of donations of computing equipment in the past to Haiti, for example.
This may be is a little bit more straight aid than is the norm for GO::DH (which is primarily not about aid but about sharing knowledge, research, and experience every which way). But it also may be something we may be able to help each other in: there are some logistics involved that people who've done this before elsewhere might be able to help advice on for example; there also may be a need to fundraise for certain opportunities.
What do others think? Any interest and/or experience?
-dan
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Dear Øyvind and all,
These are great points, and a really useful discussion!
Dan and I ended up chatting on this related to the Digital Library of the Caribbean (dLOC) and the Protecting Haitian Patrimony Initiative (http://dloc.com/l/info/haitianlibhelp) which emerged from dLOC partners in Haiti and other dLOC partners after the earthquake. dLOC partners have extensive experience in collaboration, sharing information, working to build capacity and community, and more. But, there were difficulties in the process for Protecting Haitian Patrimony. Difficulties are, in part, from a lack of knowledge about how things can/should work and having to learn when there's already an acute concern. The legal issues can be both real as law and as policy at different institutions. These are all great things for us to share knowledge about.
Sharing many experiences would be very useful, from my perspective, for helping to understand how things can legally be done, for policy-related options at any single institution, and for times to partner when the policies make sense for an institution only. Sharing information alone would be great (e.g., example projects, anecdotal experience, concerns raised during experiences, experts to contact for the process for certain needs, experts for certain countries, etc.).
Best wishes, Laurie
-----Original Message----- From: globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca [mailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca] On Behalf Of Øyvind Eide Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:52 PM To: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] A proposal for a new working group
Dear Dan,
I think it is a good idea, and it should be followed up. Based on my own experiment (mainly Russia in the nineties and Zimbabwe more recently) there are some issues you should consider (which you may already have, of course) -- but bear in mind, this is all anecdotical, so take it as that:
* Dumping. How would this relate to local retailers of used stuff? Of course, this is for free, but if you pay for transport, are we giving money to DHL which could have been given to a local street corner shop? The ratio value vs. transport cost is vital here. If transport cost is nil the ratio is pretty high, but if money will change hands, checking if they can end up with local businesses is a good thing.
* Legal issues, especially for equipment from the US. We did not buy stuff from Dell to be used in Zimbabwe because they were on in the Axis of Evil. I am not claiming that embargoes should never be broken and I have done my bit of "idealistic smuggling". But I would not like to see some mid level manager with no role in this suddenly finding her or himself in problems because a contract signed with Dell (as an example) is broken.
* I trust you would not fail on this one, but with a number of years of experience in the flea market "business": remember the difference between used stuff and garbage...
* For web mirroring the problem I have seen a few times is very low capacity of oversea connections, but decent capacity within the parts of the country networked. So serving the home country of the university can often be done from there, whereas for international users a foreign mirror could be very valuable.
I wish to repeat that this is all anecdotical based on my own experience, and not based on any real overview of this area.
Kind regards,
Øyvind
On 4. des. 2013, at 22:59, Daniel O'Donnell wrote:
Hi all,
Laurie Taylor and I have just been talking about the idea of setting up a new working group at DH: a group focused on ways of facilitating donations of equipment or sharing services. The impetus for this comes from two projects we are thinking of at the U of L. One is to collect and donate computers that are being decommissioned this coming spring university wide (we got a grant to replace a large number of computer lab and faculty workstations); the other is some web mirroring that we are looking into doing for a university that doesn't have a very robust infrastructure. Laurie also knew of examples of donations of computing equipment in the past to Haiti, for example.
This may be is a little bit more straight aid than is the norm for GO::DH (which is primarily not about aid but about sharing knowledge, research, and experience every which way). But it also may be something we may be able to help each other in: there are some logistics involved that people who've done this before elsewhere might be able to help advice on for example; there also may be a need to fundraise for certain opportunities.
What do others think? Any interest and/or experience?
-dan
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This is very interesting. You might find my friend Janet's project interesting, it's called ReStart and it encourages people to fix their own devices rather than promptly replacing them. I know it's a different idea to what you are discussing, but you might be curious as a parallel/related ongoing project:
You can see her talk about the project in this TEDxBrixton video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R1a8J1pmYQ
Best regards
*Dr Ernesto Priego*Lecturer in Library Science Acting Course Director, MSc/MA Electronic Publishing City University London http://epriego.wordpress.com/ @ernestopriegohttps://twitter.com/ernestopriego Editor-in-Chief, *The Comics Grid: Journal of Comics Scholarship * http://www.comicsgrid.com/ Subscribe to the Comics Grid Newsletter: http://eepurl.com/iOYAj
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Taylor,Laurie Nancy Francesca < laurien@ufl.edu> wrote:
Dear Øyvind and all,
These are great points, and a really useful discussion!
Dan and I ended up chatting on this related to the Digital Library of the Caribbean (dLOC) and the Protecting Haitian Patrimony Initiative ( http://dloc.com/l/info/haitianlibhelp) which emerged from dLOC partners in Haiti and other dLOC partners after the earthquake. dLOC partners have extensive experience in collaboration, sharing information, working to build capacity and community, and more. But, there were difficulties in the process for Protecting Haitian Patrimony. Difficulties are, in part, from a lack of knowledge about how things can/should work and having to learn when there's already an acute concern. The legal issues can be both real as law and as policy at different institutions. These are all great things for us to share knowledge about.
Sharing many experiences would be very useful, from my perspective, for helping to understand how things can legally be done, for policy-related options at any single institution, and for times to partner when the policies make sense for an institution only. Sharing information alone would be great (e.g., example projects, anecdotal experience, concerns raised during experiences, experts to contact for the process for certain needs, experts for certain countries, etc.).
Best wishes, Laurie
-----Original Message----- From: globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca [mailto: globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca] On Behalf Of Øyvind Eide Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:52 PM To: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] A proposal for a new working group
Dear Dan,
I think it is a good idea, and it should be followed up. Based on my own experiment (mainly Russia in the nineties and Zimbabwe more recently) there are some issues you should consider (which you may already have, of course) -- but bear in mind, this is all anecdotical, so take it as that:
- Dumping. How would this relate to local retailers of used stuff? Of
course, this is for free, but if you pay for transport, are we giving money to DHL which could have been given to a local street corner shop? The ratio value vs. transport cost is vital here. If transport cost is nil the ratio is pretty high, but if money will change hands, checking if they can end up with local businesses is a good thing.
- Legal issues, especially for equipment from the US. We did not buy stuff
from Dell to be used in Zimbabwe because they were on in the Axis of Evil. I am not claiming that embargoes should never be broken and I have done my bit of "idealistic smuggling". But I would not like to see some mid level manager with no role in this suddenly finding her or himself in problems because a contract signed with Dell (as an example) is broken.
- I trust you would not fail on this one, but with a number of years of
experience in the flea market "business": remember the difference between used stuff and garbage...
- For web mirroring the problem I have seen a few times is very low
capacity of oversea connections, but decent capacity within the parts of the country networked. So serving the home country of the university can often be done from there, whereas for international users a foreign mirror could be very valuable.
I wish to repeat that this is all anecdotical based on my own experience, and not based on any real overview of this area.
Kind regards,
Øyvind
On 4. des. 2013, at 22:59, Daniel O'Donnell wrote:
Hi all,
Laurie Taylor and I have just been talking about the idea of setting up
a new working group at DH: a group focused on ways of facilitating donations of equipment or sharing services. The impetus for this comes from two projects we are thinking of at the U of L. One is to collect and donate computers that are being decommissioned this coming spring university wide (we got a grant to replace a large number of computer lab and faculty workstations); the other is some web mirroring that we are looking into doing for a university that doesn't have a very robust infrastructure. Laurie also knew of examples of donations of computing equipment in the past to Haiti, for example.
This may be is a little bit more straight aid than is the norm for
GO::DH (which is primarily not about aid but about sharing knowledge, research, and experience every which way). But it also may be something we may be able to help each other in: there are some logistics involved that people who've done this before elsewhere might be able to help advice on for example; there also may be a need to fundraise for certain opportunities.
What do others think? Any interest and/or experience?
-dan
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Another resource for practical matters may be people who are involved with the IFCO who since 1988 have organized the delivery of humanitarian aid to Cuba and the Caribbean, since the humanitarian aid includes PCs etc. http://www.ifconews.org/node/235
Best regards Dagmar Riedel
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:
This is very interesting. You might find my friend Janet's project interesting, it's called ReStart and it encourages people to fix their own devices rather than promptly replacing them. I know it's a different idea to what you are discussing, but you might be curious as a parallel/related ongoing project:
You can see her talk about the project in this TEDxBrixton video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R1a8J1pmYQ
Best regards
*Dr Ernesto Priego*Lecturer in Library Science Acting Course Director, MSc/MA Electronic Publishing City University London http://epriego.wordpress.com/ @ernestopriegohttps://twitter.com/ernestopriego Editor-in-Chief, *The Comics Grid: Journal of Comics Scholarship * http://www.comicsgrid.com/ Subscribe to the Comics Grid Newsletter: http://eepurl.com/iOYAj
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Taylor,Laurie Nancy Francesca < laurien@ufl.edu> wrote:
Dear Øyvind and all,
These are great points, and a really useful discussion!
Dan and I ended up chatting on this related to the Digital Library of the Caribbean (dLOC) and the Protecting Haitian Patrimony Initiative ( http://dloc.com/l/info/haitianlibhelp) which emerged from dLOC partners in Haiti and other dLOC partners after the earthquake. dLOC partners have extensive experience in collaboration, sharing information, working to build capacity and community, and more. But, there were difficulties in the process for Protecting Haitian Patrimony. Difficulties are, in part, from a lack of knowledge about how things can/should work and having to learn when there's already an acute concern. The legal issues can be both real as law and as policy at different institutions. These are all great things for us to share knowledge about.
Sharing many experiences would be very useful, from my perspective, for helping to understand how things can legally be done, for policy-related options at any single institution, and for times to partner when the policies make sense for an institution only. Sharing information alone would be great (e.g., example projects, anecdotal experience, concerns raised during experiences, experts to contact for the process for certain needs, experts for certain countries, etc.).
Best wishes, Laurie
-----Original Message----- From: globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca [mailto: globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca] On Behalf Of Øyvind Eide Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:52 PM To: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] A proposal for a new working group
Dear Dan,
I think it is a good idea, and it should be followed up. Based on my own experiment (mainly Russia in the nineties and Zimbabwe more recently) there are some issues you should consider (which you may already have, of course) -- but bear in mind, this is all anecdotical, so take it as that:
- Dumping. How would this relate to local retailers of used stuff? Of
course, this is for free, but if you pay for transport, are we giving money to DHL which could have been given to a local street corner shop? The ratio value vs. transport cost is vital here. If transport cost is nil the ratio is pretty high, but if money will change hands, checking if they can end up with local businesses is a good thing.
- Legal issues, especially for equipment from the US. We did not buy
stuff from Dell to be used in Zimbabwe because they were on in the Axis of Evil. I am not claiming that embargoes should never be broken and I have done my bit of "idealistic smuggling". But I would not like to see some mid level manager with no role in this suddenly finding her or himself in problems because a contract signed with Dell (as an example) is broken.
- I trust you would not fail on this one, but with a number of years of
experience in the flea market "business": remember the difference between used stuff and garbage...
- For web mirroring the problem I have seen a few times is very low
capacity of oversea connections, but decent capacity within the parts of the country networked. So serving the home country of the university can often be done from there, whereas for international users a foreign mirror could be very valuable.
I wish to repeat that this is all anecdotical based on my own experience, and not based on any real overview of this area.
Kind regards,
Øyvind
On 4. des. 2013, at 22:59, Daniel O'Donnell wrote:
Hi all,
Laurie Taylor and I have just been talking about the idea of setting up
a new working group at DH: a group focused on ways of facilitating donations of equipment or sharing services. The impetus for this comes from two projects we are thinking of at the U of L. One is to collect and donate computers that are being decommissioned this coming spring university wide (we got a grant to replace a large number of computer lab and faculty workstations); the other is some web mirroring that we are looking into doing for a university that doesn't have a very robust infrastructure. Laurie also knew of examples of donations of computing equipment in the past to Haiti, for example.
This may be is a little bit more straight aid than is the norm for
GO::DH (which is primarily not about aid but about sharing knowledge, research, and experience every which way). But it also may be something we may be able to help each other in: there are some logistics involved that people who've done this before elsewhere might be able to help advice on for example; there also may be a need to fundraise for certain opportunities.
What do others think? Any interest and/or experience?
-dan
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Yes Dagmar!
We (Luis and Yasmín) will be happy to help on site for any project with Cuba, but I confess I never did anything like that.
Our country is very state-center, so, I´m afraid that any humanitarian aid to Cuba will have to pass trough government agencies , but since the DH people here have not work for an special recognition from the state
I do know from a few schools, editorials and research centers were a few PCs and other hardware will make the difference.
I can´t see this web that Dagmar recommended (no internet), but I´m open to dialogue about any idea related to bring stuff to Cuba.
Because broke the US blockade against Cuba feels SO GOOD .
Kisses
Yasmín
De: globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca [mailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca] En nombre de Dagmar Riedel Enviado el: Thursday, December 5, 2013 8:30 PM Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] A proposal for a new working group
Another resource for practical matters may be people who are involved with the IFCO
who since 1988 have organized the delivery of humanitarian aid to Cuba and the Caribbean, since the humanitarian aid includes PCs etc. http://www.ifconews.org/node/235
Best regards
Dagmar Riedel
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Ernesto Priego <efpriego@gmail.com mailto:efpriego@gmail.com > wrote:
This is very interesting. You might find my friend Janet's project interesting, it's called ReStart and it encourages people to fix their own devices rather than promptly replacing them. I know it's a different idea to what you are discussing, but you might be curious as a parallel/related ongoing project:
You can see her talk about the project in this TEDxBrixton video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R1a8J1pmYQ
Best regards
Dr Ernesto Priego Lecturer in Library Science Acting Course Director, MSc/MA Electronic Publishing City University London
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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Taylor,Laurie Nancy Francesca <laurien@ufl.edu mailto:laurien@ufl.edu > wrote:
Dear Øyvind and all,
These are great points, and a really useful discussion!
Dan and I ended up chatting on this related to the Digital Library of the Caribbean (dLOC) and the Protecting Haitian Patrimony Initiative (http://dloc.com/l/info/haitianlibhelp) which emerged from dLOC partners in Haiti and other dLOC partners after the earthquake. dLOC partners have extensive experience in collaboration, sharing information, working to build capacity and community, and more. But, there were difficulties in the process for Protecting Haitian Patrimony. Difficulties are, in part, from a lack of knowledge about how things can/should work and having to learn when there's already an acute concern. The legal issues can be both real as law and as policy at different institutions. These are all great things for us to share knowledge about.
Sharing many experiences would be very useful, from my perspective, for helping to understand how things can legally be done, for policy-related options at any single institution, and for times to partner when the policies make sense for an institution only. Sharing information alone would be great (e.g., example projects, anecdotal experience, concerns raised during experiences, experts to contact for the process for certain needs, experts for certain countries, etc.).
Best wishes, Laurie
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Dear Dan,
I think it is a good idea, and it should be followed up. Based on my own experiment (mainly Russia in the nineties and Zimbabwe more recently) there are some issues you should consider (which you may already have, of course) -- but bear in mind, this is all anecdotical, so take it as that:
* Dumping. How would this relate to local retailers of used stuff? Of course, this is for free, but if you pay for transport, are we giving money to DHL which could have been given to a local street corner shop? The ratio value vs. transport cost is vital here. If transport cost is nil the ratio is pretty high, but if money will change hands, checking if they can end up with local businesses is a good thing.
* Legal issues, especially for equipment from the US. We did not buy stuff from Dell to be used in Zimbabwe because they were on in the Axis of Evil. I am not claiming that embargoes should never be broken and I have done my bit of "idealistic smuggling". But I would not like to see some mid level manager with no role in this suddenly finding her or himself in problems because a contract signed with Dell (as an example) is broken.
* I trust you would not fail on this one, but with a number of years of experience in the flea market "business": remember the difference between used stuff and garbage...
* For web mirroring the problem I have seen a few times is very low capacity of oversea connections, but decent capacity within the parts of the country networked. So serving the home country of the university can often be done from there, whereas for international users a foreign mirror could be very valuable.
I wish to repeat that this is all anecdotical based on my own experience, and not based on any real overview of this area.
Kind regards,
Øyvind
On 4. des. 2013, at 22:59, Daniel O'Donnell wrote:
Hi all,
Laurie Taylor and I have just been talking about the idea of setting up a
new working group at DH: a group focused on ways of facilitating donations of equipment or sharing services. The impetus for this comes from two projects we are thinking of at the U of L. One is to collect and donate computers that are being decommissioned this coming spring university wide (we got a grant to replace a large number of computer lab and faculty workstations); the other is some web mirroring that we are looking into doing for a university that doesn't have a very robust infrastructure. Laurie also knew of examples of donations of computing equipment in the past to Haiti, for example.
This may be is a little bit more straight aid than is the norm for GO::DH
(which is primarily not about aid but about sharing knowledge, research, and experience every which way). But it also may be something we may be able to help each other in: there are some logistics involved that people who've done this before elsewhere might be able to help advice on for example; there also may be a need to fundraise for certain opportunities.
What do others think? Any interest and/or experience?
-dan
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Did you decided were to send the computers?
I had been digging here, and the process for receive donations is terrible, long and full of documents (to make the live of the burocrats interesting). But we need it, the internet room of the Center for Creative Writing Onelio Jorge Cardoso have working only 1 of the 6 originals PCs, and Cubarte network is working without back up for the servers of the biggest Cuban culture data base, so, Luis and I are up to the challenge.
Just tell me.
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De: globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca [mailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca] En nombre de Dagmar Riedel Enviado el: Thursday, December 5, 2013 8:30 PM Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] A proposal for a new working group
Another resource for practical matters may be people who are involved with the IFCO
who since 1988 have organized the delivery of humanitarian aid to Cuba and the Caribbean, since the humanitarian aid includes PCs etc. http://www.ifconews.org/node/235
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Dagmar Riedel
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Ernesto Priego <efpriego@gmail.com mailto:efpriego@gmail.com > wrote:
This is very interesting. You might find my friend Janet's project interesting, it's called ReStart and it encourages people to fix their own devices rather than promptly replacing them. I know it's a different idea to what you are discussing, but you might be curious as a parallel/related ongoing project:
You can see her talk about the project in this TEDxBrixton video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R1a8J1pmYQ
Best regards
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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Taylor,Laurie Nancy Francesca <laurien@ufl.edu mailto:laurien@ufl.edu > wrote:
Dear Øyvind and all,
These are great points, and a really useful discussion!
Dan and I ended up chatting on this related to the Digital Library of the Caribbean (dLOC) and the Protecting Haitian Patrimony Initiative (http://dloc.com/l/info/haitianlibhelp) which emerged from dLOC partners in Haiti and other dLOC partners after the earthquake. dLOC partners have extensive experience in collaboration, sharing information, working to build capacity and community, and more. But, there were difficulties in the process for Protecting Haitian Patrimony. Difficulties are, in part, from a lack of knowledge about how things can/should work and having to learn when there's already an acute concern. The legal issues can be both real as law and as policy at different institutions. These are all great things for us to share knowledge about.
Sharing many experiences would be very useful, from my perspective, for helping to understand how things can legally be done, for policy-related options at any single institution, and for times to partner when the policies make sense for an institution only. Sharing information alone would be great (e.g., example projects, anecdotal experience, concerns raised during experiences, experts to contact for the process for certain needs, experts for certain countries, etc.).
Best wishes, Laurie
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Dear Dan,
I think it is a good idea, and it should be followed up. Based on my own experiment (mainly Russia in the nineties and Zimbabwe more recently) there are some issues you should consider (which you may already have, of course) -- but bear in mind, this is all anecdotical, so take it as that:
* Dumping. How would this relate to local retailers of used stuff? Of course, this is for free, but if you pay for transport, are we giving money to DHL which could have been given to a local street corner shop? The ratio value vs. transport cost is vital here. If transport cost is nil the ratio is pretty high, but if money will change hands, checking if they can end up with local businesses is a good thing.
* Legal issues, especially for equipment from the US. We did not buy stuff from Dell to be used in Zimbabwe because they were on in the Axis of Evil. I am not claiming that embargoes should never be broken and I have done my bit of "idealistic smuggling". But I would not like to see some mid level manager with no role in this suddenly finding her or himself in problems because a contract signed with Dell (as an example) is broken.
* I trust you would not fail on this one, but with a number of years of experience in the flea market "business": remember the difference between used stuff and garbage...
* For web mirroring the problem I have seen a few times is very low capacity of oversea connections, but decent capacity within the parts of the country networked. So serving the home country of the university can often be done from there, whereas for international users a foreign mirror could be very valuable.
I wish to repeat that this is all anecdotical based on my own experience, and not based on any real overview of this area.
Kind regards,
Øyvind
On 4. des. 2013, at 22:59, Daniel O'Donnell wrote:
Hi all,
Laurie Taylor and I have just been talking about the idea of setting up a
new working group at DH: a group focused on ways of facilitating donations of equipment or sharing services. The impetus for this comes from two projects we are thinking of at the U of L. One is to collect and donate computers that are being decommissioned this coming spring university wide (we got a grant to replace a large number of computer lab and faculty workstations); the other is some web mirroring that we are looking into doing for a university that doesn't have a very robust infrastructure. Laurie also knew of examples of donations of computing equipment in the past to Haiti, for example.
This may be is a little bit more straight aid than is the norm for GO::DH
(which is primarily not about aid but about sharing knowledge, research, and experience every which way). But it also may be something we may be able to help each other in: there are some logistics involved that people who've done this before elsewhere might be able to help advice on for example; there also may be a need to fundraise for certain opportunities.
What do others think? Any interest and/or experience?
-dan
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