Dear all,
I had never really paid much attention to this (being an immigrant, as I have always been in every single country I have lived in), but when I read this note (http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2015/mar...) it got me thinking.
I wonder if someone in the list thinks that there is any merit to this. Ho do you, those of you living or having lived outside your countries of origin, feel you are/ were perceived?
All the best,
BB
this is rich, really. but my experiences is completly different: I´m Cuban. Since 1959 Cubans are a "Political Diaspora", no mater the real motivation for leaving the country. Of course, white cubans were received better than black cubans in many places, but they were all "runnig away from Castro dictatorship" and bla bla bla.
Thanks Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: Bordalejo, Barbara To: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 1:15 PM Subject: [globaloutlookDH-l] Ex-pats vs immigrants
Dear all,
I had never really paid much attention to this (being an immigrant, as I have always been in every single country I have lived in), but when I read this note (http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2015/mar...) it got me thinking.
I wonder if someone in the list thinks that there is any merit to this. Ho do you, those of you living or having lived outside your countries of origin, feel you are/ were perceived?
All the best,
BB
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Hi Barbara, all,
I was and will keep being perceived as an "immigrant" in the UK. My (white) American, NZ, Australian colleagues were seen by others and thought of themselves as "expats".
It also has to do with the 'easeness' with which some passports can travel. Some never experience visas as an obstacle. Others very much so. And there is unavoidably a race/class component too.
When I was doing my PhD me and other fellow 'non-EU' students often denounced the distinction, where we were seen as 'benefit-scroungers' (though we were not entitled to any) while our (white) American colleagues were seen as 'ex-pats'. For us this that the Guardian post addresses is not new, and at this stage I find it quite tiring to be honest.
Happy Saturday,
e
Sent from a mobile device. It may contain typos. On 14 Mar 2015 12:16, "Bordalejo, Barbara" bab995@mail.usask.ca wrote:
Dear all,
I had never really paid much attention to this (being an immigrant, as I have always been in every single country I have lived in), but when I read this note ( http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2015/mar...) it got me thinking.
I wonder if someone in the list thinks that there is any merit to this. Ho do you, those of you living or having lived outside your countries of origin, feel you are/ were perceived?
All the best,
BB
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Hello all, A very interesting discussion.
In Australia, Australians in other countries are expats. No one in Australia is expat with maybe few exceptions of high-profile people. Immigrants are not usually called that in everyday life, but officially we talk about British immigration, Chinese immigration etc. When we talk about "migrants", it normally means people from non-English background. "Professional migrant" is sometimes stressed, even in everyday conversation.
I find it very interesting, that Americans in Australia don't have any tag. They are either just Americans in Australia or Australians from America. It's a small group of immigrants by comparison.
In Serbia, *Gastarbeiter *is used in more general sense to refer to workers in Germany and France and their lifestyle. Highly qualified professionals are never *gastarbeiters. * Cheers, Suzana
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 1:50 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Barbara, all,
I was and will keep being perceived as an "immigrant" in the UK. My (white) American, NZ, Australian colleagues were seen by others and thought of themselves as "expats".
It also has to do with the 'easeness' with which some passports can travel. Some never experience visas as an obstacle. Others very much so. And there is unavoidably a race/class component too.
When I was doing my PhD me and other fellow 'non-EU' students often denounced the distinction, where we were seen as 'benefit-scroungers' (though we were not entitled to any) while our (white) American colleagues were seen as 'ex-pats'. For us this that the Guardian post addresses is not new, and at this stage I find it quite tiring to be honest.
Happy Saturday,
e
Sent from a mobile device. It may contain typos. On 14 Mar 2015 12:16, "Bordalejo, Barbara" bab995@mail.usask.ca wrote:
Dear all,
I had never really paid much attention to this (being an immigrant, as I have always been in every single country I have lived in), but when I read this note ( http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2015/mar...) it got me thinking.
I wonder if someone in the list thinks that there is any merit to this. Ho do you, those of you living or having lived outside your countries of origin, feel you are/ were perceived?
All the best,
BB
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New Zealand (and New Zealand English) has the concept of an 'Overseas Experience' (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_experience ) which is pretty much parallel to the European Grand Tour (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Tour ), except it's a working holiday. I'm not sure whether our neighbours across the ditch have something similar.
Critiques of the Grand Tour in terms of 'cultural hegemony' also resonate for the OE.
cheers stuart -- ...let us be heard from red core to black sky
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Suzana Sukovic suzana.sukovic@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, A very interesting discussion.
In Australia, Australians in other countries are expats. No one in Australia is expat with maybe few exceptions of high-profile people. Immigrants are not usually called that in everyday life, but officially we talk about British immigration, Chinese immigration etc. When we talk about "migrants", it normally means people from non-English background. "Professional migrant" is sometimes stressed, even in everyday conversation.
I find it very interesting, that Americans in Australia don't have any tag. They are either just Americans in Australia or Australians from America. It's a small group of immigrants by comparison.
In Serbia, Gastarbeiter is used in more general sense to refer to workers in Germany and France and their lifestyle. Highly qualified professionals are never gastarbeiters. Cheers, Suzana
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 1:50 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Barbara, all,
I was and will keep being perceived as an "immigrant" in the UK. My (white) American, NZ, Australian colleagues were seen by others and thought of themselves as "expats".
It also has to do with the 'easeness' with which some passports can travel. Some never experience visas as an obstacle. Others very much so. And there is unavoidably a race/class component too.
When I was doing my PhD me and other fellow 'non-EU' students often denounced the distinction, where we were seen as 'benefit-scroungers' (though we were not entitled to any) while our (white) American colleagues were seen as 'ex-pats'. For us this that the Guardian post addresses is not new, and at this stage I find it quite tiring to be honest.
Happy Saturday,
e
Sent from a mobile device. It may contain typos.
On 14 Mar 2015 12:16, "Bordalejo, Barbara" bab995@mail.usask.ca wrote:
Dear all,
I had never really paid much attention to this (being an immigrant, as I have always been in every single country I have lived in), but when I read this note (http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2015/mar...) it got me thinking.
I wonder if someone in the list thinks that there is any merit to this. Ho do you, those of you living or having lived outside your countries of origin, feel you are/ were perceived?
All the best,
BB
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