A couple of interesting things happened / happening with respect to the Māori language that might be worth sharing:
* There's a google API at https://translate.google.com/toolkit/ for languages which don't yet have a critical mass to be supported by the standard google translate tools. Using the API builds google's knowledge base of the language (hint: start with the new testament, for most small languages it's the largest aligned parallel text that's easily available).
* Wikipedia is a great way raise the profile of people and activities in a cross-language fashion. See for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:M%C4%81ori_language_revivalists Wikipedia sources can be in any language, and translation of articles between languages can be set as a class exercise. Wikimedia will spin up a wikipedia in your language if you can get a couple of hundred articles written in the incubator http://incubator.wikimedia.org/
* Work in unicode. Digtial te reo Māori got set back hugely initially by official support for non-unicode fonts.
* Building a dictionaries for firefox / libreoffice / other open source products to use in auto-correct is really easy if you have a decent word list.
* I've already mentioned the He Pātaka Kupu Ture / The Legal Māori Archive at http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-corpus-legalMaori.html
I'm happy to answer any questions people have about this work (very little of which is actually mine).
cheers stuart
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with you Stuart. Perhaps you would like to propose a working group. I know others in the list would love to help you out. David Golumbia, for example, has done fantastic work in this regard.
Perhaps we should start another thread just on this subject.
Best, Alex.
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Stuart A. Yeates syeates@gmail.com wrote:
I think it's worth thinking of another kind of multilingualism: language revival and endangered languages.
At the NZETC we have a wonderful corpus He Pātaka Kupu Ture / The Legal Māori Archive which resulted from our engagement with Māori language revivalists.
Pretty much wherever you are in the world (except perhaps England), there are local indigenous languages and language communities struggling to bolster their languages. These communities are typically under-served by digital tools.
cheers stuart
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 5:25 AM, Daniel O'Donnell daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote:
That is an interesting idea. But maybe something for 2015? I.e. it would be extremely interesting to coordinate this with the DH2015 conference coordinators so that it was hard coded on your badge!
-dan
On 14-06-20 05:59 AM, Giorgio Guzzetta wrote:
I kind of prefer the other too, but the idea that this could be inserted in the name tag is intriguing.. It kind of commits you once you become a member, like an official endorsement of the problem, so to speak...
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Daniel O'Donnell daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote:
I preferred the other, myself.
On 14-06-19 11:52 AM, Élika Ortega wrote:
Or playing with the "Hello, My name is" tag and print them in different languages???
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Daniel O'Donnell daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote:
What a cool idea. It is worth seeing if we can do two or three colour first.
The flag issue may or may not happen: it is harder than I thought to find sheets or world flag stickers (though this is a good time to buy flag tattoos or artificial nails). For some reason everybody seems over stocked on Spanish ones ;-)
-dan
On 14-06-19 11:43 AM, Élika Ortega wrote:
How about something like this? I thought I'd use the GO::DH logo for the first try. Color might be an issue too. There is room to add the "I can whisper" in other languages right above or below the English version. Élika
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Daniel O'Donnell daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote:
That's what I was thinking as well: a single design, in perhaps a couple of colours (or maybe not), with a space for languages. Or conversely, we could do that and go on Alibaba and see if we couldn't score some small flag stickers to replace handwritten languages.
I was given a very small bit of money from the U of L to support projects fostering international, multi-lingual, and multi-cultural collaboration within the humanities (well, I scored a grant that had that as part of its expenses). I can definitely fund something like this from that.
How about: a generic "I can whisper," "I can interpret," "I can share" (trying to think of a phrase that gets the sense of community right) and then some flag stickers for the languages? (assuming we can find them). If that turns out to be too complicated, then just a generic sticker (or button?) with a line for hand-written languages.
Cheapest is always single colour.
Might be nice to have the "I can share" or whatever written in three or four languages from different language families.
-dan
On 14-06-19 10:07 AM, Élika Ortega wrote:
Yes, this is great! I can come up with a couple of designs and send them to the list later today.
Élika
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Giorgio Guzzetta guzzettg@gmail.com wrote: > > What about writing "I can interpret" (or something like that) with > some > white space to add language(s) by hand? > > > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> We are the people who are thinking it right away, no? Let's get >> that >> ball rolling so you can mail me the stickers, or better yet, print >> them in >> NYC. What we need is a volunteer to design the stickers before the >> weekend. >> If I wasn't with my head stuck in the AroundDH launch (Saturday, >> btw), I >> would totally do it. >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 11:27 AM, O'Donnell, Dan >> daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote: >>> >>> I think THIS constellation of ideas is something we could lead at >>> GO::DH. >>> >>> ACH just printed up stickers saying "Ask me" or "Answer me" (or >>> whatever). I don't see why we couldn't do the same thing for "I >>> can >>> interpret" stickers or similar. >>> >>> I could find some money for stickers (i.e. I could probably find >>> $200, for example, and arrange for a couple of hundred generic >>> stickers >>> where you could write in a language). But that's only one idea. >>> >>> Maybe throw some people together to think about this quickly? >>> >>> -dan >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: globaloutlookdh-l [globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca] on >>> behalf of Alex Gil [colibri.alex@gmail.com] >>> Sent: June-19-14 9:14 >>> >>> To: globaloutlookdh-l, MailList >>> Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] DHSI unconference session on >>> Multilingualism in DH >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have had several conversations around these issues with some of >>> the >>> DH2014 and starting some with the DH2015 folks. I love James' and >>> Igalina's >>> suggestions enormously. I will bring all of these up at DH2014 in >>> representation of GO::DH. Another idea—which we learned in Cuba >>> during the >>> INKE meeting—is to have "whisperers" in the back of the room. The >>> idea of >>> the whisperer is an alternative to the mic/headphone approach to >>> translation. Cheaper. Basically, you sit in the back with a group >>> of those >>> who need translation and you whisper. Combine that with DH and now >>> we have >>> the "The DH Whisperers," which to me has to win dh this year. >>> >>> Re: Journal in Spanish. Yes, please. >>> >>> Best, >>> A. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 11:08 AM, O'Donnell, Dan >>> daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote: >>>> >>>> I knew I was picking up on a side issue to what you were saying, >>>> Elika. Because it was the easier one in some ways. >>>> >>>> It is interesting that given that we are humanists--and so used >>>> to >>>> working with secondary sources in other languages--that there is >>>> such a >>>> Hegemony. >>>> >>>> This is one of the reasons I'm so keen on the proposal in Mexico >>>> for >>>> a major Spanish-language DH journal. The reason why >>>> Anglo-Saxonists need to >>>> know German is that a lot of important research was published in >>>> German in >>>> the 19th and early 20th centuries. I think we a strong >>>> counterweight to >>>> English-only journals will be useful. >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: globaloutlookdh-l [globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca] on >>>> behalf of Élika Ortega [elikaortega@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: June-19-14 8:55 >>>> To: globaloutlookdh-l, MailList >>>> Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] DHSI unconference session on >>>> Multilingualism in DH >>>> >>>> Thank you all for your comments. I am glad that thread is getting >>>> attention and lots of ideas are popping up--that was the main >>>> purpose of the >>>> unconference session and the the blog post. >>>> >>>> I am aware that some of the ideas I wrote about need much more >>>> development and then to actually become "something", whatever >>>> form they >>>> might take. But this will only happen with the help and feedback >>>> from all of >>>> you. I wonder, however, whether a (I'm hoping, helpful) >>>> distinction of what >>>> has been discussed should be made in order to come up with >>>> specific and >>>> timely strategies. >>>> >>>> It seems to me that one hand there are the "everyday" or face to >>>> face multilingual interactions that can and need to be addressed >>>> at a >>>> community level, like the questions and answers mentioned by Dan >>>> and Isabel. >>>> The stickers or badges are great ideas! This was also similarly >>>> discussed a >>>> few months ago regarding the language and vocab used in mailing >>>> lists. >>>> >>>> On the other hand, is the matter of research outputs and >>>> available/known sources in various languages. This is the one >>>> that, in my >>>> opinion, needs a much more systematic approach: coming up with >>>> ways to >>>> ensure that all of us following the most recognized journals and >>>> publishers >>>> in the field, will also get a sense of what is (and has been) >>>> published >>>> elsewhere and in other languages. It might, as Domenico and >>>> Giorgio >>>> suggested, pose the risks of positive discrimination and building >>>> a new >>>> canon, but that can also be just the beginning, showing the tip >>>> of the >>>> iceberg. >>>> >>>> Cheers! >>>> Élika >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Elika Ortega, Ph.D. >>>> Postdoctoral Fellow | Project Manager >>>> CulturePlex Lab | Department of Modern Languages and Literatures >>>> University of Western Ontario | University College 114H >>>> (519)6612111 ext.82822 >>>> @elikaortega >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> globaloutlookdh-l mailing list >>>> globaloutlookdh-l@uleth.ca >>>> http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/globaloutlookdh-l >>>> >>>> You are currently subscribed to this list in NON-digest mode. >>>> This >>>> means you receive every message as it is posted. >>>> >>>> If this represents too much traffic, you can also subscribe in >>>> DIGEST mode. 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I think the idea of a working group is very interesting, although personally I would try to connect to existing activities and initiatives. For example the Maaya network for linguistic diversity (http://maayajo.org), or the wonderful terralingua.org project.
I'm not an expert of endangered languages, but this semester I was co-teaching a course module on biocultural diversity with biologist and environmentalist Marcello Buiatti. You can find our syllabus here: http://economia.uniroma2.it/public/gobalGov/files/Ethic%281%29.pdf
Buiatti, among other things, is author with Vandana Shiva and others of the "law of the seed": http://navdanya.org/attachments/lawofseed.pdf
Please feel free to contact me if you want to know more! I can send the slides of my course and other materials.
Ciao!
Domenico
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with you Stuart. Perhaps you would like to propose a working group. I know others in the list would love to help you out. David Golumbia, for example, has done fantastic work in this regard.
Perhaps we should start another thread just on this subject.
Best, Alex.
Hi all,
I really hope we can keep this conversation going. Like Domenico, I'm not an expert, but trying to learn as much as I can. Here's something of interest. Today and tomorrow there is a workshop, ComputEL on "The use of computational methods in the study of endangered languages http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jcgood/ComputEL.html" as part of the 52nd Annual Meeting of the Association for Computational Linguistics. I thought you might find the schedule interesting.
Best, A.
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 6:25 AM, Domenico Fiormonte < domenico.fiormonte@gmail.com> wrote:
I think the idea of a working group is very interesting, although personally I would try to connect to existing activities and initiatives. For example the Maaya network for linguistic diversity (http://maayajo.org), or the wonderful terralingua.org project.
I'm not an expert of endangered languages, but this semester I was co-teaching a course module on biocultural diversity with biologist and environmentalist Marcello Buiatti. You can find our syllabus here: http://economia.uniroma2.it/public/gobalGov/files/Ethic%281%29.pdf
Buiatti, among other things, is author with Vandana Shiva and others of the "law of the seed": http://navdanya.org/attachments/lawofseed.pdf
Please feel free to contact me if you want to know more! I can send the slides of my course and other materials.
Ciao!
Domenico
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com
wrote:
I agree with you Stuart. Perhaps you would like to propose a working
group.
I know others in the list would love to help you out. David Golumbia,
for
example, has done fantastic work in this regard.
Perhaps we should start another thread just on this subject.
Best, Alex.
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I think there's a difference between working with endangered languages as a set of languages (which is perhaps what Domenico and Alex are referring to) and engaging with a specific language community working to revive their language (which is what I am referring to). I think different sets of approaches (both theoretical and practical) are appropriate in the different places.
cheers stuart
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 1:06 AM, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I really hope we can keep this conversation going. Like Domenico, I'm not an expert, but trying to learn as much as I can. Here's something of interest. Today and tomorrow there is a workshop, ComputEL on "The use of computational methods in the study of endangered languages" as part of the 52nd Annual Meeting of the Association for Computational Linguistics. I thought you might find the schedule interesting.
Best, A.
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 6:25 AM, Domenico Fiormonte domenico.fiormonte@gmail.com wrote:
I think the idea of a working group is very interesting, although personally I would try to connect to existing activities and initiatives. For example the Maaya network for linguistic diversity (http://maayajo.org), or the wonderful terralingua.org project.
I'm not an expert of endangered languages, but this semester I was co-teaching a course module on biocultural diversity with biologist and environmentalist Marcello Buiatti. You can find our syllabus here: http://economia.uniroma2.it/public/gobalGov/files/Ethic%281%29.pdf
Buiatti, among other things, is author with Vandana Shiva and others of the "law of the seed": http://navdanya.org/attachments/lawofseed.pdf
Please feel free to contact me if you want to know more! I can send the slides of my course and other materials.
Ciao!
Domenico
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with you Stuart. Perhaps you would like to propose a working group. I know others in the list would love to help you out. David Golumbia, for example, has done fantastic work in this regard.
Perhaps we should start another thread just on this subject.
Best, Alex.
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For those interested in Maori language revival, currently we're in "Maori language week" It's probably the highest profile and most widespread of all the initiatives in the field.
See #maorilanguageweek / #tereo / #tekupu across a range of social media platforms.
cheers stuart
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Stuart A. Yeates syeates@gmail.com wrote:
I think there's a difference between working with endangered languages as a set of languages (which is perhaps what Domenico and Alex are referring to) and engaging with a specific language community working to revive their language (which is what I am referring to). I think different sets of approaches (both theoretical and practical) are appropriate in the different places.
cheers stuart
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