Thanks, Jieh! I just added Taiwan as an "in gestation" to the map! Great to hear your on the move. Count on me for anything.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:51 AM, jieh.hsiang@gmail.com wrote:

Great work, Alex. I just thought you might be interested to know that the first research center on DH in Taiwan was established in 2007 (see http://www.digital.ntu.edu.tw). It is perhaps not so known in the world because it has been focusing mainly on Chinese-language based material. There's also active discussion on forming a Taiwanese Association on DH, since the community is rapidly growing.

Best regards, Jieh Hsiang

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 25, 2015, at 21:40, Taylor,Laurie Nancy Francesca laurien@ufl.edu wrote:

Hi Alex,

Thanks for sharing this fabulous sketch to spark discussion!

At the ACURIL (Association of Caribbean University, Research and Institutional Libraries) conference two weeks ago, a couple of more casual conversations on Digital Humanities and Digital Scholarship turned into a series of many conversations where everyone was already involved, but simply hadn’t been naming their work in this way. The ACURIL Cultural Heritage Roundtable is focusing the next year on Digital Scholarship, so it seems like it would make sense to include them in this listing. ACURIL is multi-lingual with materials/activities in French, English, and Spanish. For growing the conversation with ACURIL, both ACURIL and the Caribbean Studies Association are meeting in Haiti in the same week in June, so folks should come!: http://acuril2016haiti.blogspot.com/

Best wishes,

Laurie

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*From:* globaloutlookdh-l [mailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca] *On Behalf Of *Alex Gil *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:18 AM *To:* A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community; Lista de distribución de la Red de Humanidades Digitales (RedHD); Online seminar for digital humanities; Association Humanistica; Asociacion Humanidades Digitales Hispánicas; Southasia Dh; Ahdig *Subject:* [globaloutlookDH-l] DH organizations around the world

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Dear all,

Here is a quick neatline sketch http://testing.elotroalex.com/dhorgs/of the digital humanities organizations I can see around the world today. The map is quick and dirty, and misrepresents much. It would be nice to get a representation of memberships from each org by city or state, that would help localize trans-nationality more accurately. In lieu of that I'm hoping this can spark a conversation about representation, language and location. If you have private suggestions, feel free to send me a line. I welcome all public suggestions.

As I say in the about page:

LIES THIS MAP TELLS:

This map does not represent the trans-national membership of these organizations. A heat map from member tallies would be more accurate. CenterNet is absent. Humanistica and ACH have a much wider reach than the map gives them credit for. My rationale for doing it was to show the territoriality of the largest number of members in each of these orgs, OR the regions they de facto represent. I find my lies point in the direction of a tension between language vs. region, representation vs. proportional membership. The lies are meant to spark a conversation about how we can move forward organizationally at the global level, through and around ADHO. I would favor moves in the direction of clearly defined meso-level regional/national organizations—open to global membership, of course, but clearly based somewhere—for the support of semi-local communities. The key here is support and representation for semi-local communities. To be clear, I am not against co-existence and collaboration with language-based trans-regional organizations that stretch the planet, and do believe we can achieve local support and representation if we work together carefully at the intersections of language/region/representation, as long as we foster local growth and agency. On that note, I should point out that many organizations represented here are already both language-region, like the RedHD or the DHD. In addition to these regional/language chapters, I imagine a union that can organize a global conference and foster collaboration. What ADHO is trying to do now.

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I think it’s already there, ready to grow within ACURIL, but maybe this is more of a seed that must be named before official gestation begins. I think having you and other DH folks come to Haiti for CSA/ACURIL in June 2016 will be the perfect time for a THATCamp-Caribe and for the seed to begin gestation or to blossom. There’s so much DH going on, but no one is calling it that and so the network of people involved can’t be named/activated/there until the naming and community of practice creation happens. It’s ready to take flight and so will be on the map in or soon after June 2016, perhaps?

Very cool to see so much happening!

Laurie

From: Alex Gil [mailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 12:23 PM To: Taylor,Laurie Nancy Francesca Cc: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] DH organizations around the world

Great news Laurie about ACURIL!

Should I go ahead and add the Caribbean region as an "in gestation"? Do we really think that a Caribbean org is in the works? Being in the thick of it in the Caribbean, I hesitate...

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Alex Gil <colibri.alex@gmail.commailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks, Jieh! I just added Taiwan as an "in gestation" to the map! Great to hear your on the move. Count on me for anything.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:51 AM, <jieh.hsiang@gmail.commailto:jieh.hsiang@gmail.com> wrote: Great work, Alex. I just thought you might be interested to know that the first research center on DH in Taiwan was established in 2007 (see http://www.digital.ntu.edu.tw). It is perhaps not so known in the world because it has been focusing mainly on Chinese-language based material. There's also active discussion on forming a Taiwanese Association on DH, since the community is rapidly growing.

Best regards, Jieh Hsiang

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 25, 2015, at 21:40, Taylor,Laurie Nancy Francesca <laurien@ufl.edumailto:laurien@ufl.edu> wrote: Hi Alex,

Thanks for sharing this fabulous sketch to spark discussion!

At the ACURIL (Association of Caribbean University, Research and Institutional Libraries) conference two weeks ago, a couple of more casual conversations on Digital Humanities and Digital Scholarship turned into a series of many conversations where everyone was already involved, but simply hadn’t been naming their work in this way. The ACURIL Cultural Heritage Roundtable is focusing the next year on Digital Scholarship, so it seems like it would make sense to include them in this listing. ACURIL is multi-lingual with materials/activities in French, English, and Spanish. For growing the conversation with ACURIL, both ACURIL and the Caribbean Studies Association are meeting in Haiti in the same week in June, so folks should come!: http://acuril2016haiti.blogspot.com/

Best wishes, Laurie

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From: globaloutlookdh-l [mailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca] On Behalf Of Alex Gil Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:18 AM To: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community; Lista de distribución de la Red de Humanidades Digitales (RedHD); Online seminar for digital humanities; Association Humanistica; Asociacion Humanidades Digitales Hispánicas; Southasia Dh; Ahdig Subject: [globaloutlookDH-l] DH organizations around the world

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Dear all,

Here is a quick neatline sketch http://testing.elotroalex.com/dhorgs/ of the digital humanities organizations I can see around the world today. The map is quick and dirty, and misrepresents much. It would be nice to get a representation of memberships from each org by city or state, that would help localize trans-nationality more accurately. In lieu of that I'm hoping this can spark a conversation about representation, language and location. If you have private suggestions, feel free to send me a line. I welcome all public suggestions.

As I say in the about page:

LIES THIS MAP TELLS: This map does not represent the trans-national membership of these organizations. A heat map from member tallies would be more accurate. CenterNet is absent. Humanistica and ACH have a much wider reach than the map gives them credit for. My rationale for doing it was to show the territoriality of the largest number of members in each of these orgs, OR the regions they de facto represent. I find my lies point in the direction of a tension between language vs. region, representation vs. proportional membership. The lies are meant to spark a conversation about how we can move forward organizationally at the global level, through and around ADHO. I would favor moves in the direction of clearly defined meso-level regional/national organizations—open to global membership, of course, but clearly based somewhere—for the support of semi-local communities. The key here is support and representation for semi-local communities. To be clear, I am not against co-existence and collaboration with language-based trans-regional organizations that stretch the planet, and do believe we can achieve local support and representation if we work together carefully at the intersections of language/region/representation, as long as we foster local growth and agency. On that note, I should point out that many organizations represented here are already both language-region, like the RedHD or the DHD. In addition to these regional/language chapters, I imagine a union that can organize a global conference and foster collaboration. What ADHO is trying to do now.

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Dear Domenico,

We're in perfect agreement that a federation is the long term goal here. That's what I meant by "union." The devil will be in the (financial and logistic) details!

Yes on south-south as a thing of beauty. I'm seeing some of that already from my computer in NYC. Since I live in the north, though, I cannot formally suggest what my friends in the south should or should not do at the international level. I know that many of them benefit from and value south-north collabs, for example.

My hope though is that we can shape venues for all orgs to work together as peers, and personally, to make myself useful when needed. I like Roopika Risam's take on this, which is to foster venues of collaborations were local/regional communities decide what counts as a valuable intervention according to their own contexts, and we come together to share our work, to find out which collaborations are possible and to learn from one another. This would be the alternative to a unitary (read universal) system for vetting our programs.

The million dollar question is whether ADHO can become the place where these things can happen, and how! A Bandung for DH would be counter-productive and more difficult to pull off, imho. Wouldn't be my place to help such a group happen either! So for now, I must dedicate my working years and energy to working with one foot firmly in ADHO, and the south-north that implies.

[answering Paul next]

All best! a.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Domenico Fiormonte < domenico.fiormonte@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Alex,

congratulations for a very useful and interesting work!

I would be also interesting to know more about ADHO's expansion plans (I refer to your sentence "how we can move forward organizationally at the global level, through and around ADHO").

Although ADHO's efforts (like this group) should be recognized and encouraged, I think we should remember that ADHO is not a democratic organization with elected members, etc. as most of DH organizations in the world (including members of ADHO...). It is still a strange hybrid between an invitation-based Private Club and a corporate consortium. As I said in various occasions I would much prefer to see a "federation of diverse associations", instead of applying the "unity in diversity" model. That's why I'm suspicious of any "global leadership".

But above all, what I think it would be really strategic is to support and promote *South-South dialogue*. I'd like to remember here the observations of Octavio Kulesz, author of an important survey of digital publishing in developing countries:

"Likewise, the electronic solutions that certain countries of the South have implemented to overcome their problems of content distribution can also serve as a model for others, thus facilitating South–South knowledge and technology transfer. (...) Sooner or later, these countries will have to ask themselves what kind of digital publishing highways they must build and they will be faced with two very different options: a) financing the installation of platforms designed in the North; b) investing according to the concrete needs, expectations and potentialities of local authors, readers and entrepreneurs. Whatever the decision of each country may be, the long term impact will be immense."

I think that similar questions can be applied to the DH world.

So, what kind of DH do we want to build?

All the best

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Dear Paul,

I look forward to discussing this things over some coffee in Sydney next week, but here are some public answers to your queries:

1. The map is "hand drawn" in neatline. No precision went into it. Fuzzy seemed rhetorically better suited. (Also less work). I'd like to call it a conversation napkin, in honor of it's birth on a night of collegial conversation at dhsi 2015.

2. These is are key questions. Your 4 distinctions are right on! In the etc, I would add their base of operations, the venues for their conferences, the source of their papers and the *language* they privilege. All of these can be represented by different maps or other ways. The truth will always remain outside of all of them, but we can approximate the ideal napkin map in the sky the more representations we have. In the case of my map, I wanted to provincialize all these organizations a bit.

I like to think about these things as Walter Mignolo http://local%20histories/Global%20Designs, who speaks of "spatial confrontations between different concepts of history." Slightly different from his approach, my solution is to reconcile those confrontations within myself, à la Gloria Anzaldúa http://www.amazon.com/Borderlands-Frontera-Mestiza-Gloria-Anzald%C3%BAa/dp/1879960850/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8. As a result, my logic is not "fair" and spread out across the board according to one set of formal rules. On a one by one case, I drew borders that were sometimes sending the message "limit your pretensions," in others, "go forth and prosper!", all according to my "concepts of [our] history," and where I would like to see us go. In other words, this is a humble napkin I bring to our conversations (and I'm delighted by the quality of the one we're having right now!). I hope you've noticed also that I've been changing the map as people have been giving me suggestions and letting me know how they see themselves in my cracked mirror. The about page too.

3. Each of these you mention would continue to refine our conversations. I would like to start with one for current location of employment or affiliation. I volunteer to make a more precise series of layered heat maps, like the one CenterNet has, if all the orgs send me their data. Promise not to share the data with a single living soul unless given permission to.

4. Agreed! And these are precisely the issues I was hoping to get a sense of from folks in the community. We may yet approach our realities by listening to each other and translating each other as much as possible. In other words, how would you draw a map of all of us? How would you map your organization(s)? Who do you represent? How will we transform best in the coming decade or two, leading (hopefully) to a more extensive federation, as Domenico and I discussed?

As I suggested above, it would be nice to see more maps, napkin or not. We started with Melissa Terras' map that focused on centers. Then I did this one http://www.arounddh.org/journey/ that focused on projects. Now this one focusing on organizations. At the end of the day, for me the most important thing has been the relationships and conversations that these maps have helped me forge. This one included.

Looking forward to seeing you in Sydney! a.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 3:57 AM, Spence, Paul paul.spence@kcl.ac.uk wrote:

Dear Alex

Thanks for this very interesting visual summary, which helps us think globally about professional associations and representation in the digital humanities. This interests me a lot, as I’m currently doing research into architectures of participation in DH and, in broader terms, the cultural geographies of digital scholarship.

I have a number of questions about how you created the visualisation – from that point of view, it would be helpful to have more information about the criteria used to draw boundaries.

Some comments/queries:

· Geographical boundaries and language sometimes roughly coincide – most often they don’t. I suspect we need a more fine-grained approach, taking multiple perspectives, if we want to reach any firm conclusions

· Your ‘about’ page talks of territoriality. When we are talking about associations, it is important to distinguish between [1) their professed geographical area of focus, if that even exists, [2] our perception of their focus, according to the evidence at our disposal [3] organisational pragmatics – e.g. the criteria used to distribute funds, [4] membership data, etc etc. To give three examples of how categorisations can be problematic: I have heard various prominent ACH people object when people identify the organisation too closely with North America at various times over the years; EADH adopted a regional ‘focus’ in the last few years, but has always had, and continues to have (in spite of its clear primary focus on Europe), global outreach (with very strong connections to Japan at various stages, for example); HDH explicitly identifies itself as international, and therefore not just limited to Spain (or indeed Spanish-speaking territories).

· If we use membership data, that opens up a whole lot of new questions: there is a difference between location of residence, institutional location, location of birth/origin etc etc. Are we measuring personal identification with a particular geography, the pragmatics of where someone has institutional support, or something else entirely?

· There are a whole host of other issues here that affect how we interpret culture, language and geography in DH: the fact that people can speak multiple languages; the disjoint between cultural identity and nationhood; the difficulty in identifying some countries with continents or agreeing on definitions of their boundaries; contested geographies and labels; the fact that professional association membership is probably not a good indicator of actual DH research activity; the varying degrees of accuracy and granularity of various data sources (including membership lists) etc etc.

You are admirably honest about the fact that the map is not fully representational; nevertheless, you have created it, you have performed a representation (which is already leading to interpretation by those of us viewing it), and I was wondering if you could say more about which direction(s) you imagine taking this in.

Best wishes

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*From:* Redhd [mailto:redhd-bounces@lists.humanidadesdigitales.net redhd-bounces@lists.humanidadesdigitales.net] *On Behalf Of *Alex Gil *Sent:* 25 June 2015 14:18 *To:* A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community; Lista de distribución de la Red de Humanidades Digitales (RedHD); Online seminar for digital humanities; Association Humanistica; Asociacion Humanidades Digitales Hispánicas; Southasia Dh; Ahdig *Subject:* [Redhd] DH organizations around the world

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Dear all,

Here is a quick neatline sketch http://testing.elotroalex.com/dhorgs/of the digital humanities organizations I can see around the world today. The map is quick and dirty, and misrepresents much. It would be nice to get a representation of memberships from each org by city or state, that would help localize trans-nationality more accurately. In lieu of that I'm hoping this can spark a conversation about representation, language and location. If you have private suggestions, feel free to send me a line. I welcome all public suggestions.

As I say in the about page:

LIES THIS MAP TELLS:

This map does not represent the trans-national membership of these organizations. A heat map from member tallies would be more accurate. CenterNet is absent. Humanistica and ACH have a much wider reach than the map gives them credit for. My rationale for doing it was to show the territoriality of the largest number of members in each of these orgs, OR the regions they de facto represent. I find my lies point in the direction of a tension between language vs. region, representation vs. proportional membership. The lies are meant to spark a conversation about how we can move forward organizationally at the global level, through and around ADHO. I would favor moves in the direction of clearly defined meso-level regional/national organizations—open to global membership, of course, but clearly based somewhere—for the support of semi-local communities. The key here is support and representation for semi-local communities. To be clear, I am not against co-existence and collaboration with language-based trans-regional organizations that stretch the planet, and do believe we can achieve local support and representation if we work together carefully at the intersections of language/region/representation, as long as we foster local growth and agency. On that note, I should point out that many organizations represented here are already both language-region, like the RedHD or the DHD. In addition to these regional/language chapters, I imagine a union that can organize a global conference and foster collaboration. What ADHO is trying to do now.

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This is a fascinating discussion. There are too many points to address so I would just like to take up Domenico's remark about south-south collaboration. One of the frequent ironies of research in the periphery is that you have to go the centre to discover work being done in other peripheries (sometimes even from your own periphery). It would be interesting to map at some point I think, the relationships between the different communities that Alex has mapped. Research projects for example but there are probably other options for focusing on how we are interacting not only with the center but also with each other.

Also, talking about maps I would like to mention another DH mapping project, Mapa HD by Elika Ortega and Silvia Gutiérrez: http://mapahd.org/el-mapa/

For those of you going to Sydney have a great time.

Best,

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________________________________ De: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca en nombre de Øyvind Eide lister@oeide.no Enviado: viernes, 26 de junio de 2015 07:14 p. m. Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] [Redhd] DH organizations around the world

Just to follow up on some aspects (and removing the cc list of lists as it will make lives hard to many list admins with posts from non-members to be taken care of, but please forward as you see fit, this is not to stop discussions), I think the media difference is important here. A text is different from a map and gives different impressions of fixedness vs. fluidity, the truth rhetoric is different, etc. And both are different from a late night discussion erupting with no obvious reason, giving new insight and new understanding. Moving between the media is necessary, but it will always change the stories we can tell. A map used as a drawing to talk over is different from a GIS system. Neatline is somewhere in between.

All we do happens locally. But some locales happen to be within more dominant power structures than others. A dialect being the base for a national language is different in power from other dialects. Every time I go to London I realise the importance of economic power, not only because I can go there but also because I hear my first language all over all the time — and the population of Norway is half of the population of London. Norway (and a large part of the population) is for the time being rich from oil money. They travel a lot.

Still. Someone from the Caribbean with Spanish as their first language can do international research in their mother tongue. Norwegians cannot if we do not focus on very specific areas such as Ibsen or Old Norse studies. Where you stand depends on where you sit but our economic chairs are different from our linguistic, cultural, etc.

ADHO is an attempt to create a meeting space, a place of cooperation between various groups around the world. It is not a goal in itself, it is a mechanism for scholarly cooperation. Some of us invest in it. We know that it is bound up in power structures. I feel it in every meeting, struggling a little bit less every year with the English language — but the struggle never ends, it will never become my language. We see it in who can come to locale places far from other locale places (Australia is not far away in itself, it can only be far away from other locale places).

Maps must be re-drawn. Organisations must be re-built. But we also must avoid spending too much time on running the organisations. It is so easy to make our tools into goals of their own.

All the best,

Øyvind

27. juni 2015 kl. 02:30 skrev Alex Gil <colibri.alex@gmail.commailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com>:

Dear Paul,

I look forward to discussing this things over some coffee in Sydney next week, but here are some public answers to your queries:

1. The map is "hand drawn" in neatline. No precision went into it. Fuzzy seemed rhetorically better suited. (Also less work). I'd like to call it a conversation napkin, in honor of it's birth on a night of collegial conversation at dhsi 2015.

2. These is are key questions. Your 4 distinctions are right on! In the etc, I would add their base of operations, the venues for their conferences, the source of their papers and the language they privilege. All of these can be represented by different maps or other ways. The truth will always remain outside of all of them, but we can approximate the ideal napkin map in the sky the more representations we have. In the case of my map, I wanted to provincialize all these organizations a bit.

I like to think about these things as Walter Mignolohttp://local%20histories/Global%20Designs, who speaks of "spatial confrontations between different concepts of history." Slightly different from his approach, my solution is to reconcile those confrontations within myself, à la Gloria Anzaldúahttp://www.amazon.com/Borderlands-Frontera-Mestiza-Gloria-Anzald%C3%BAa/dp/1879960850/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8. As a result, my logic is not "fair" and spread out across the board according to one set of formal rules. On a one by one case, I drew borders that were sometimes sending the message "limit your pretensions," in others, "go forth and prosper!", all according to my "concepts of [our] history," and where I would like to see us go. In other words, this is a humble napkin I bring to our conversations (and I'm delighted by the quality of the one we're having right now!). I hope you've noticed also that I've been changing the map as people have been giving me suggestions and letting me know how they see themselves in my cracked mirror. The about page too.

3. Each of these you mention would continue to refine our conversations. I would like to start with one for current location of employment or affiliation. I volunteer to make a more precise series of layered heat maps, like the one CenterNet has, if all the orgs send me their data. Promise not to share the data with a single living soul unless given permission to.

4. Agreed! And these are precisely the issues I was hoping to get a sense of from folks in the community. We may yet approach our realities by listening to each other and translating each other as much as possible. In other words, how would you draw a map of all of us? How would you map your organization(s)? Who do you represent? How will we transform best in the coming decade or two, leading (hopefully) to a more extensive federation, as Domenico and I discussed?

As I suggested above, it would be nice to see more maps, napkin or not. We started with Melissa Terras' map that focused on centers. Then I did this onehttp://www.arounddh.org/journey/ that focused on projects. Now this one focusing on organizations. At the end of the day, for me the most important thing has been the relationships and conversations that these maps have helped me forge. This one included.

Looking forward to seeing you in Sydney! a.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 3:57 AM, Spence, Paul <paul.spence@kcl.ac.ukmailto:paul.spence@kcl.ac.uk> wrote: Dear Alex

Thanks for this very interesting visual summary, which helps us think globally about professional associations and representation in the digital humanities. This interests me a lot, as I’m currently doing research into architectures of participation in DH and, in broader terms, the cultural geographies of digital scholarship.

I have a number of questions about how you created the visualisation – from that point of view, it would be helpful to have more information about the criteria used to draw boundaries.

Some comments/queries:

• Geographical boundaries and language sometimes roughly coincide – most often they don’t. I suspect we need a more fine-grained approach, taking multiple perspectives, if we want to reach any firm conclusions

• Your ‘about’ page talks of territoriality. When we are talking about associations, it is important to distinguish between [1) their professed geographical area of focus, if that even exists, [2] our perception of their focus, according to the evidence at our disposal [3] organisational pragmatics – e.g. the criteria used to distribute funds, [4] membership data, etc etc. To give three examples of how categorisations can be problematic: I have heard various prominent ACH people object when people identify the organisation too closely with North America at various times over the years; EADH adopted a regional ‘focus’ in the last few years, but has always had, and continues to have (in spite of its clear primary focus on Europe), global outreach (with very strong connections to Japan at various stages, for example); HDH explicitly identifies itself as international, and therefore not just limited to Spain (or indeed Spanish-speaking territories).

• If we use membership data, that opens up a whole lot of new questions: there is a difference between location of residence, institutional location, location of birth/origin etc etc. Are we measuring personal identification with a particular geography, the pragmatics of where someone has institutional support, or something else entirely?

• There are a whole host of other issues here that affect how we interpret culture, language and geography in DH: the fact that people can speak multiple languages; the disjoint between cultural identity and nationhood; the difficulty in identifying some countries with continents or agreeing on definitions of their boundaries; contested geographies and labels; the fact that professional association membership is probably not a good indicator of actual DH research activity; the varying degrees of accuracy and granularity of various data sources (including membership lists) etc etc.

You are admirably honest about the fact that the map is not fully representational; nevertheless, you have created it, you have performed a representation (which is already leading to interpretation by those of us viewing it), and I was wondering if you could say more about which direction(s) you imagine taking this in.

Best wishes Paul

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From: Redhd [mailto:redhd-bounces@lists.humanidadesdigitales.net] On Behalf Of Alex Gil Sent: 25 June 2015 14:18 To: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community; Lista de distribución de la Red de Humanidades Digitales (RedHD); Online seminar for digital humanities; Association Humanistica; Asociacion Humanidades Digitales Hispánicas; Southasia Dh; Ahdig Subject: [Redhd] DH organizations around the world

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Dear all,

Here is a quick neatline sketch http://testing.elotroalex.com/dhorgs/ of the digital humanities organizations I can see around the world today. The map is quick and dirty, and misrepresents much. It would be nice to get a representation of memberships from each org by city or state, that would help localize trans-nationality more accurately. In lieu of that I'm hoping this can spark a conversation about representation, language and location. If you have private suggestions, feel free to send me a line. I welcome all public suggestions.

As I say in the about page:

LIES THIS MAP TELLS: This map does not represent the trans-national membership of these organizations. A heat map from member tallies would be more accurate. CenterNet is absent. Humanistica and ACH have a much wider reach than the map gives them credit for. My rationale for doing it was to show the territoriality of the largest number of members in each of these orgs, OR the regions they de facto represent. I find my lies point in the direction of a tension between language vs. region, representation vs. proportional membership. The lies are meant to spark a conversation about how we can move forward organizationally at the global level, through and around ADHO. I would favor moves in the direction of clearly defined meso-level regional/national organizations—open to global membership, of course, but clearly based somewhere—for the support of semi-local communities. The key here is support and representation for semi-local communities. To be clear, I am not against co-existence and collaboration with language-based trans-regional organizations that stretch the planet, and do believe we can achieve local support and representation if we work together carefully at the intersections of language/region/representation, as long as we foster local growth and agency. On that note, I should point out that many organizations represented here are already both language-region, like the RedHD or the DHD. In addition to these regional/language chapters, I imagine a union that can organize a global conference and foster collaboration. What ADHO is trying to do now.

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I couldn't agree more with Domenico here. Translation is the key. And I think you would agree that translation is not just translating words, but cultures and intentions. I have done translation from English to english many times, for example. Translation is the mis-en-relation of interpretation. We often signal our allegiance to hermeneutics, but at the end of the day, it is the shared hermeneutics, not the silent reader type, that makes or breaks communities, and this is where the work of the noble translators comes in. In translating each other is where I think we will find our most sincere and realistic *pars construens.*

On that note, please welcome Scott Weingart to our conversations. Scott has been producing some useful analysis of ADHO (and other DH) data for a while. I'm hoping he can join this conversation with some of his recent work.

Best to all from Sydney, a.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Domenico Fiormonte < domenico.fiormonte@gmail.com> wrote:

Gracias Isabel. Es un punto muy importante. And thanks Øyvind for remembering us of "power structures".

In fact I'd like to comment briefly on Paul's observations and Alex's reply via a quote of Richard Hill, president of the Association for Proper Internet Governance and former ITU senior officer:

"As a first step, it is important to recognise that power matters when it comes to the Internet, and to recognise that it is highly concentrated at present." ("The true stakes of Internet governance", http://www.tni.org/stateofpower2015)

Of course DH issues are "small" in comparison to the problems of the Internet, but you can't avoid speaking of power (and resources) when dealing with structured organizations (including scholarly ones). The fact I can spend less than 1000 euros each *year* for all my research/travelling/ expenses or that our someone from Cuba have no research money at all cannot be ignored. "Where" and "what" often coincide. And who benefits from the present unbalance is also clear. Please let's be honest about this -- "as a first step".

So, once again, the problem of governance/policymaking boils down to a problem of unevenly distributed resources which in turns produce undemocratic practices. Linguistic and cultural dominance through English language is not a mere or neutral instrument of this unbalance. I will return to this problem in a separate post as a response to Gregory Crane's article on "Big Humanities and DH in Germany", but in answering Øyvind's observations I'd like to say that the price paid to the dissemination of our ideas cannot lead to the extinction of less profitable languages and cultures. What we should do is much simpler and has been done for centuries: let's translate! I prefer the risk of being misunderstood in translation than the risk of seeing disappearing the need for translation.

I've found these words referred to the famous work of African writer Ngũgĩ wa Thiong’o:

"This is the dilemma of the African writer today: either he may use a European language and thus gain recognition (and financial reward) from a worldwide audience, but at the risk of cutting himself off from the very roots of all but the most esoteric creative flowering, the common experience of his own society; or he may use his own mother tongue, stoically shun the appeal of the world market, remain one of the inglorious Miltons of the present age, but help his own people’s advance into the age of mass literacy and pave the way for future achievements and renown."

Dialogue through the "age old medium of translation", as Ngũgĩ writes in his book, is not only possible but necessary.

So I'm not a pessimist. Despite this _pars destruens_ I've been always ready to give my "constructive" contribution: as some Red de HD friends know, I made several proposals for changing this situation in a forthcoming paper, and I hope I could share them on this (and other) list(s) very soon.

All the best

Domenico

2015-06-27 4:18 GMT+02:00 igalina igalina@unam.mx:

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This is a fascinating discussion. There are too many points to address so I would just like to take up Domenico's remark about south-south collaboration. One of the frequent ironies of research in the periphery is that you have to go the centre to discover work being done in other peripheries (sometimes even from your own periphery). It would be interesting to map at some point I think, the *relationships *between the different communities that Alex has mapped. Research projects for example but there are probably other options for focusing on how we are interacting not only with the center but also with each other.

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