Thank you Roopika! Very useful and interesting. It gives us a general idea of the ratio between number of email accounts participating in this conversation/thread in particular, and the number of subscribed accounts.
Carry on...
Cheers all.
On 20 Oct 2017 01:09, "Roopika Risam" rrisam@gmail.com wrote:
Ernesto and all,
GO::DH membership is defined by subscription to this email list. All members of the list have access to the email addresses of all who have subscribed. You can access it by visiting the following site and logging in: http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/globaloutlookdh-l
During our last election, we had 545 subscribers, but 25 of those email bounced. It's entirely possible there are individual subscribers who may be subscribed under more than one emails.
Though this information is incomplete, I hope it is of some use.
Roopika
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Is it possible to know the membership of this list, or if privacy/consent is an issue at least some anonymised data, re: number of subscribed members, and/or proportion of members who do not currently serve in ADHO/ACH/EDAH/GO::DH committees/boards?
Thanks!
On 19 Oct 2017 21:40, "Roopika Risam" rrisam@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Alex,
As an executive member, I say yes to this.
Sincerely, Roopika
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Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 16, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you, Barbara. I wish nothing more than that.
In the spirit of democracy, I ask *all current executive members* to say they agree for this vote to take place on the membership. A simple majority is all we need. We do not need for the vote to take place in secret—nothing on the bylaws about that. The bylaws, on the other hand do encourage important issues to be polled by members:
"Individual members in good standing have the right to vote in GO::DH
elections and such issues as the Executive shall decide to poll the membership on."
*Just say aye if you agree.*
If the executive approves the passing of the poll, we will stick to our schedule, and vote on December 15. This gives us time to deliberate and secure a proper referendum, with an electoral officer assuring the standards of the proceedings.
a.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:02 PM, B. Bordalejo < barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.be> wrote:
Dear Alex,
Thank you for putting my name forward. Of course, as always, I am willing to work with Dan and others in making this case. However, I would like to be assured that that the decision will not be only in the hands of the executive, but the whole of the GO::DH membership. After all, this is precisely what you have been proposing, right?
Best,
BB
On 16/10/2017 17:48, Alex Gil wrote:
Thank you all,
Real quick, so I don't interrupt your conversation too much. Dan, would you be amenable to making your argument into a Google Doc? Perhaps Glen and Barbara would like to add. Just so that we can keep organized.
That's all, Please continue. This will be enormously helpful for the executive committee when it comes time to make a decision. As always feel free to write in the language you are comfortable in. We will figure it out.
a.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Amy Earhart aearhart@tamu.edu wrote:
Hello all,
It seems a large part of this discussion is not about ADHO, but rather about if we think our goals are best accomplished in an organizational structure. In some ways putting GO::DH into a large organization like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a very grass roots organization that resisted hierarchies, committees, officers, etc. and rather used social media and loose collaborations to create some sort of a movement or to create small projects. To me we are much more like a social movement, a political movement, than we are a typical academic organization. I think we are at a moment where we need to figure out if such a beginning should be contained within an organization for positive benefits, reject such organizational structures as antithetical to our goals or to come up with some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking about the issue as less about ADHO and more in this structural way has helped me to consider what might be at stake and where we might go.
Best,
Amy
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Ernesto,
I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.
Roopika
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On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you for this, Alex.
We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.
Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?
Thank you!
Ernesto
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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we should leave ADHO https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1BBq-2DmXnzJgw-5F5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=73InZUBn6feW_NnsRKa9QhqWZVq3M7z5CAMW6JU_LMc&e=. The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc.
A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations.
After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way."
We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.
We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair.
All best, Alex.
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Hi all,
I've been thinking about this for a couple of days, as I think I may have been misunderstanding the context of the discussion.
I had thought that basically the exec had put up a white paper, was calling for another arguing a different position, and then we were going to collectively decide what we thought the best route forward was.
Something Alex said the other day, however, makes me wonder if this is actually a confidence question. I.e. the executive have proposed a course of action, asked if there are any alternatives, and intend to resign if their proposal doesn't pass.
That second is a perfectly legitimate thing to do. Executives should not and cannot be asked to execute something they disagree with.
But it changes the calculus for the rest of us--or at least for me. While I think it makes sense to see what would be involved in becoming an ADHO Constituent Organisation before we decide on some other arrangement that precludes that, I don't feel or want to argue that the executive should resign. So if the independence proposal is actually a confidence vote, then I would, at most, abstain. I feel personally that there's an extra step we really could take before pursuing that route; but I don't absolutely require that others agree and I don't think that deciding to do otherwise is a disqualification from leadership.
Moreover, in such cases, if your proposal requires a change in leadership, as this apparently would, then I don't think you should propose something you aren't prepared to lead. I've been chair of GO::DH, and I don't think it would be appropriate to be it again, certainly not this close to having stepped down.
So I suppose if this were the spring and we were voting on candidates for the executive on the basis of platforms that differed along these lines (i.e. independence now vs first looking into what might be involved in being a CO), then I might see that as something that would influence my vote--though it might not even be decisive. But mid-term, where an argument one way is understood as a vote of confidence, I don't really feel comfortable pursuing that argument.
If the question from the executive was "here's a couple of options, help us understand the pros and cons so we can choose a course of action," then I have some thoughts. But if the question is "here's what we want to do, should we do this, or is there some other course that some other people might want to pursue in our places," then I don't really have a proposal. I think the jump to immediate independence is premature and ignores some things that I consider due diligence. But it is by no means irresponsible or beyond the pale, and it isn't something I want to see resignations over!
So I'm not sure I really have anything to add to this discussion. I've been happy with the people on the exec. I wished they agreed with me on investigating joining ADHO as a CO, but it isn't something I want to force a confidence vote on.
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________________________________ From: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca on behalf of Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com Sent: October 20, 2017 2:31 To: globaloutlookdh-l, MailList Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] Why we should leave ADHO, go minimal and return to the planet.
Thank you Roopika! Very useful and interesting. It gives us a general idea of the ratio between number of email accounts participating in this conversation/thread in particular, and the number of subscribed accounts.
Carry on...
Cheers all.
On 20 Oct 2017 01:09, "Roopika Risam" <rrisam@gmail.commailto:rrisam@gmail.com> wrote: Ernesto and all,
GO::DH membership is defined by subscription to this email list. All members of the list have access to the email addresses of all who have subscribed. You can access it by visiting the following site and logging in: http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/globaloutlookdh-l
During our last election, we had 545 subscribers, but 25 of those email bounced. It's entirely possible there are individual subscribers who may be subscribed under more than one emails.
Though this information is incomplete, I hope it is of some use.
Roopika
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Ernesto Priego <efpriego@gmail.commailto:efpriego@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all,
Is it possible to know the membership of this list, or if privacy/consent is an issue at least some anonymised data, re: number of subscribed members, and/or proportion of members who do not currently serve in ADHO/ACH/EDAH/GO::DH committees/boards?
Thanks!
On 19 Oct 2017 21:40, "Roopika Risam" <rrisam@gmail.commailto:rrisam@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Alex,
As an executive member, I say yes to this.
Sincerely, Roopika
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On Oct 16, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Alex Gil <colibri.alex@gmail.commailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you, Barbara. I wish nothing more than that.
In the spirit of democracy, I ask all current executive members to say they agree for this vote to take place on the membership. A simple majority is all we need. We do not need for the vote to take place in secret—nothing on the bylaws about that. The bylaws, on the other hand do encourage important issues to be polled by members:
"Individual members in good standing have the right to vote in GO::DH elections and such issues as the Executive shall decide to poll the membership on."
Just say aye if you agree.
If the executive approves the passing of the poll, we will stick to our schedule, and vote on December 15. This gives us time to deliberate and secure a proper referendum, with an electoral officer assuring the standards of the proceedings.
a.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:02 PM, B. Bordalejo <barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.bemailto:barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.be> wrote:
Dear Alex,
Thank you for putting my name forward. Of course, as always, I am willing to work with Dan and others in making this case. However, I would like to be assured that that the decision will not be only in the hands of the executive, but the whole of the GO::DH membership. After all, this is precisely what you have been proposing, right?
Best,
BB
On 16/10/2017 17:48, Alex Gil wrote: Thank you all,
Real quick, so I don't interrupt your conversation too much. Dan, would you be amenable to making your argument into a Google Doc? Perhaps Glen and Barbara would like to add. Just so that we can keep organized.
That's all, Please continue. This will be enormously helpful for the executive committee when it comes time to make a decision. As always feel free to write in the language you are comfortable in. We will figure it out.
a.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Amy Earhart <aearhart@tamu.edumailto:aearhart@tamu.edu> wrote: Hello all,
It seems a large part of this discussion is not about ADHO, but rather about if we think our goals are best accomplished in an organizational structure. In some ways putting GO::DH into a large organization like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a very grass roots organization that resisted hierarchies, committees, officers, etc. and rather used social media and loose collaborations to create some sort of a movement or to create small projects. To me we are much more like a social movement, a political movement, than we are a typical academic organization. I think we are at a moment where we need to figure out if such a beginning should be contained within an organization for positive benefits, reject such organizational structures as antithetical to our goals or to come up with some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking about the issue as less about ADHO and more in this structural way has helped me to consider what might be at stake and where we might go.
Best,
Amy
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Ernesto,
I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.
Roopika
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On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego <efpriego@gmail.commailto:efpriego@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for this, Alex.
We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.
Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?
Thank you!
Ernesto
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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil <colibri.alex@gmail.commailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com> wrote: Dear all,
As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we should leave ADHOhttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1BBq-2DmXnzJgw-5F5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=73InZUBn6feW_NnsRKa9QhqWZVq3M7z5CAMW6JU_LMc&e=. The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc.
A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations.
After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way."
We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.
We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair.
All best, Alex.
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Hi Dan and all,
After the GO::DH meeting in Montreal, Alex wrote to the list and suggested that a way forward would be for people who hold particular opinions on the future of GO::DH (independence, CO, or an alternative) put together a proposal to share so the membership could consider the proposals.
What Alex and I put forward is the independence proposal. Speaking for myself, as someone who has been a GO::DH "heavy lifter," I don't want to continue serving the ADHO diversity cause at the expense of more important work there is to do (the work we used to do when we started out). It's nothing against ADHO - I'm on the CCC for ACH - but is about GO::DH realizing its original goals and potential. Thus, I would rather GO::DH be independent than remain a SIG (where we get no benefit from SIG status) or become a CO (where GO::DH would likely be co-opted into the diversity matters even more than it already has).
The fact that there haven't been other proposals is actually indicative of the labor issues that led us to advocate for this position. Even though Alex solicited proposals in August, this has been the only one. If GO::DH is to have a future as something other than an email list for announcements, it does require labor. The independence model is proposing that we direct that labor away from ADHO and back towards the work we used to do. But if others aren't willing to take on that labor - whether the labor of proposing another model or of doing the work we initially set out to do, then we're an announcement list, and a lethargic one at that.
My term ends at the end of this year, so this isn't a walkout on my end. If the will is something other than independence and reassessment of our labor, I'll still be a member and support GO::DH, of course.
All best, Roopsi -- Roopika Risam, PhD Assistant Professor of English Chair, Program Area for Content Education Salem State University http://roopikarisam.com
On Oct 21, 2017, at 6:41 PM, O'Donnell, Dan daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote:
Hi all,
I've been thinking about this for a couple of days, as I think I may have been misunderstanding the context of the discussion.
I had thought that basically the exec had put up a white paper, was calling for another arguing a different position, and then we were going to collectively decide what we thought the best route forward was.
Something Alex said the other day, however, makes me wonder if this is actually a confidence question. I.e. the executive have proposed a course of action, asked if there are any alternatives, and intend to resign if their proposal doesn't pass.
That second is a perfectly legitimate thing to do. Executives should not and cannot be asked to execute something they disagree with.
But it changes the calculus for the rest of us--or at least for me. While I think it makes sense to see what would be involved in becoming an ADHO Constituent Organisation before we decide on some other arrangement that precludes that, I don't feel or want to argue that the executive should resign. So if the independence proposal is actually a confidence vote, then I would, at most, abstain. I feel personally that there's an extra step we really could take before pursuing that route; but I don't absolutely require that others agree and I don't think that deciding to do otherwise is a disqualification from leadership.
Moreover, in such cases, if your proposal requires a change in leadership, as this apparently would, then I don't think you should propose something you aren't prepared to lead. I've been chair of GO::DH, and I don't think it would be appropriate to be it again, certainly not this close to having stepped down.
So I suppose if this were the spring and we were voting on candidates for the executive on the basis of platforms that differed along these lines (i.e. independence now vs first looking into what might be involved in being a CO), then I might see that as something that would influence my vote--though it might not even be decisive. But mid-term, where an argument one way is understood as a vote of confidence, I don't really feel comfortable pursuing that argument.
If the question from the executive was "here's a couple of options, help us understand the pros and cons so we can choose a course of action," then I have some thoughts. But if the question is "here's what we want to do, should we do this, or is there some other course that some other people might want to pursue in our places," then I don't really have a proposal. I think the jump to immediate independence is premature and ignores some things that I consider due diligence. But it is by no means irresponsible or beyond the pale, and it isn't something I want to see resignations over!
So I'm not sure I really have anything to add to this discussion. I've been happy with the people on the exec. I wished they agreed with me on investigating joining ADHO as a CO, but it isn't something I want to force a confidence vote on.
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From: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca on behalf of Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com Sent: October 20, 2017 2:31 To: globaloutlookdh-l, MailList Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] Why we should leave ADHO, go minimal and return to the planet.
Thank you Roopika! Very useful and interesting. It gives us a general idea of the ratio between number of email accounts participating in this conversation/thread in particular, and the number of subscribed accounts.
Carry on...
Cheers all.
On 20 Oct 2017 01:09, "Roopika Risam" rrisam@gmail.com wrote: Ernesto and all,
GO::DH membership is defined by subscription to this email list. All members of the list have access to the email addresses of all who have subscribed. You can access it by visiting the following site and logging in: http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/globaloutlookdh-l
During our last election, we had 545 subscribers, but 25 of those email bounced. It's entirely possible there are individual subscribers who may be subscribed under more than one emails.
Though this information is incomplete, I hope it is of some use.
Roopika
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote: Hi all,
Is it possible to know the membership of this list, or if privacy/consent is an issue at least some anonymised data, re: number of subscribed members, and/or proportion of members who do not currently serve in ADHO/ACH/EDAH/GO::DH committees/boards?
Thanks!
On 19 Oct 2017 21:40, "Roopika Risam" rrisam@gmail.com wrote: Dear Alex,
As an executive member, I say yes to this.
Sincerely, Roopika
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On Oct 16, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you, Barbara. I wish nothing more than that.
In the spirit of democracy, I ask all current executive members to say they agree for this vote to take place on the membership. A simple majority is all we need. We do not need for the vote to take place in secret—nothing on the bylaws about that. The bylaws, on the other hand do encourage important issues to be polled by members:
"Individual members in good standing have the right to vote in GO::DH elections and such issues as the Executive shall decide to poll the membership on."
Just say aye if you agree.
If the executive approves the passing of the poll, we will stick to our schedule, and vote on December 15. This gives us time to deliberate and secure a proper referendum, with an electoral officer assuring the standards of the proceedings.
a.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:02 PM, B. Bordalejo barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.be wrote: Dear Alex, Thank you for putting my name forward. Of course, as always, I am willing to work with Dan and others in making this case. However, I would like to be assured that that the decision will not be only in the hands of the executive, but the whole of the GO::DH membership. After all, this is precisely what you have been proposing, right?
Best,
BB
On 16/10/2017 17:48, Alex Gil wrote: Thank you all,
Real quick, so I don't interrupt your conversation too much. Dan, would you be amenable to making your argument into a Google Doc? Perhaps Glen and Barbara would like to add. Just so that we can keep organized.
That's all, Please continue. This will be enormously helpful for the executive committee when it comes time to make a decision. As always feel free to write in the language you are comfortable in. We will figure it out.
a.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Amy Earhart aearhart@tamu.edu wrote: Hello all,
It seems a large part of this discussion is not about ADHO, but rather about if we think our goals are best accomplished in an organizational structure. In some ways putting GO::DH into a large organization like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a very grass roots organization that resisted hierarchies, committees, officers, etc. and rather used social media and loose collaborations to create some sort of a movement or to create small projects. To me we are much more like a social movement, a political movement, than we are a typical academic organization. I think we are at a moment where we need to figure out if such a beginning should be contained within an organization for positive benefits, reject such organizational structures as antithetical to our goals or to come up with some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking about the issue as less about ADHO and more in this structural way has helped me to consider what might be at stake and where we might go.
Best,
Amy
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> > > From: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca on behalf of Roopika Risam rrisam@gmail.com > Sent: October 16, 2017 4:16 > To: globaloutlookdh-l, MailList > Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] Why we should leave ADHO, go minimal and return to the planet. > > Ernesto, > > I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it. > > Roopika > > -- > Roopika Risam, PhD > Assistant Professor of English > Chair, Program Area for Content Education > Salem State University > http://roopikarisam.com > > On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote: > >> Thank you for this, Alex. >> >> We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15. >> >> Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads? >> >> Thank you! >> >> Ernesto >> >> >> Dr Ernesto Priego >> >> @ernestopriego >> https://epriego.wordpress.com/ >> http://www.comicsgrid.com/ >> Subscribe to the Comics Grid Newsletter: http://eepurl.com/iOYAj >> >> The information contained in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail. >> The contents of this e-mail must not be forwarded, disclosed or copied without the sender's consent. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of any related organisations, projects, colleagues or employers. >> >> >>> On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we should leave ADHO. The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc. >>> >>> A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations. >>> >>> After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way." >>> >>> We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15. >>> >>> We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair. >>> >>> All best, >>> Alex. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> globaloutlookdh-l mailing list >>> globaloutlookdh-l@uleth.ca >>> http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/globaloutlookdh-l >>> >>> You are currently subscribed to this list in NON-digest mode. This means you receive every message as it is posted. >>> >>> If this represents too much traffic, you can also subscribe in DIGEST mode. This sends out a single email once a day containing the entire day's postings. 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Thank you, Roopsi, I share your analysis.
On my end, my stint as chair ends in January anyway, so I'm not walking out. As I said earlier, I would help out with a smooth transition for the new chair—the one who would lead the investigation of CO status.
After that I have a full year to retain the title of regular executive member. In 2019 I shall return to the general membership... unless...
We vote to give GO::DH one last chance to shine or receive a dignified burial.
a.
On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 7:13 PM, Roopika Risam rrisam@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Dan and all,
After the GO::DH meeting in Montreal, Alex wrote to the list and suggested that a way forward would be for people who hold particular opinions on the future of GO::DH (independence, CO, or an alternative) put together a proposal to share so the membership could consider the proposals.
What Alex and I put forward is the independence proposal. Speaking for myself, as someone who has been a GO::DH "heavy lifter," I don't want to continue serving the ADHO diversity cause at the expense of more important work there is to do (the work we used to do when we started out). It's nothing against ADHO - I'm on the CCC for ACH - but is about GO::DH realizing its original goals and potential. Thus, I would rather GO::DH be independent than remain a SIG (where we get no benefit from SIG status) or become a CO (where GO::DH would likely be co-opted into the diversity matters even more than it already has).
The fact that there haven't been other proposals is actually indicative of the labor issues that led us to advocate for this position. Even though Alex solicited proposals in August, this has been the only one. If GO::DH is to have a future as something other than an email list for announcements, it does require labor. The independence model is proposing that we direct that labor away from ADHO and back towards the work we used to do. But if others aren't willing to take on that labor - whether the labor of proposing another model or of doing the work we initially set out to do, then we're an announcement list, and a lethargic one at that.
My term ends at the end of this year, so this isn't a walkout on my end. If the will is something other than independence and reassessment of our labor, I'll still be a member and support GO::DH, of course.
All best, Roopsi -- Roopika Risam, PhD Assistant Professor of English Chair, Program Area for Content Education Salem State University http://roopikarisam.com
On Oct 21, 2017, at 6:41 PM, O'Donnell, Dan daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote:
Hi all,
I've been thinking about this for a couple of days, as I think I may have been misunderstanding the context of the discussion.
I had thought that basically the exec had put up a white paper, was calling for another arguing a different position, and then we were going to collectively decide what we thought the best route forward was.
Something Alex said the other day, however, makes me wonder if this is actually a confidence question. I.e. the executive have proposed a course of action, asked if there are any alternatives, and intend to resign if their proposal doesn't pass.
That second is a perfectly legitimate thing to do. Executives should not and cannot be asked to execute something they disagree with.
But it changes the calculus for the rest of us--or at least for me. While I think it makes sense to see what would be involved in becoming an ADHO Constituent Organisation before we decide on some other arrangement that precludes that, I don't feel or want to argue that the executive should resign. So if the independence proposal is actually a confidence vote, then I would, at most, abstain. I feel personally that there's an extra step we really could take before pursuing that route; but I don't absolutely require that others agree and I don't think that deciding to do otherwise is a disqualification from leadership.
Moreover, in such cases, if your proposal requires a change in leadership, as this apparently would, then I don't think you should propose something you aren't prepared to lead. I've been chair of GO::DH, and I don't think it would be appropriate to be it again, certainly not this close to having stepped down.
So I suppose if this were the spring and we were voting on candidates for the executive on the basis of platforms that differed along these lines (i.e. independence now vs first looking into what might be involved in being a CO), then I *might* see that as something that would influence my vote--though it might not even be decisive. But mid-term, where an argument one way is understood as a vote of confidence, I don't really feel comfortable pursuing that argument.
If the question from the executive was "here's a couple of options, help us understand the pros and cons so we can choose a course of action," then I have some thoughts. But if the question is "here's what we want to do, should we do this, or is there some other course that some other people might want to pursue in our places," then I don't really have a proposal. I think the jump to immediate independence is premature and ignores some things that I consider due diligence. But it is by no means irresponsible or beyond the pale, and it isn't something I want to see resignations over!
So I'm not sure I really have anything to add to this discussion. I've been happy with the people on the exec. I wished they agreed with me on investigating joining ADHO as a CO, but it isn't something I want to force a confidence vote on.
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Thank you Roopika! Very useful and interesting. It gives us a general idea of the ratio between number of email accounts participating in this conversation/thread in particular, and the number of subscribed accounts.
Carry on...
Cheers all.
On 20 Oct 2017 01:09, "Roopika Risam" rrisam@gmail.com wrote:
Ernesto and all,
GO::DH membership is defined by subscription to this email list. All members of the list have access to the email addresses of all who have subscribed. You can access it by visiting the following site and logging in: http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/globaloutlookdh-l
During our last election, we had 545 subscribers, but 25 of those email bounced. It's entirely possible there are individual subscribers who may be subscribed under more than one emails.
Though this information is incomplete, I hope it is of some use.
Roopika
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Is it possible to know the membership of this list, or if privacy/consent is an issue at least some anonymised data, re: number of subscribed members, and/or proportion of members who do not currently serve in ADHO/ACH/EDAH/GO::DH committees/boards?
Thanks!
On 19 Oct 2017 21:40, "Roopika Risam" rrisam@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Alex,
As an executive member, I say yes to this.
Sincerely, Roopika
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On Oct 16, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you, Barbara. I wish nothing more than that.
In the spirit of democracy, I ask *all current executive members* to say they agree for this vote to take place on the membership. A simple majority is all we need. We do not need for the vote to take place in secret—nothing on the bylaws about that. The bylaws, on the other hand do encourage important issues to be polled by members:
"Individual members in good standing have the right to vote in GO::DH
elections and such issues as the Executive shall decide to poll the membership on."
*Just say aye if you agree.*
If the executive approves the passing of the poll, we will stick to our schedule, and vote on December 15. This gives us time to deliberate and secure a proper referendum, with an electoral officer assuring the standards of the proceedings.
a.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:02 PM, B. Bordalejo < barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.be> wrote:
Dear Alex,
Thank you for putting my name forward. Of course, as always, I am willing to work with Dan and others in making this case. However, I would like to be assured that that the decision will not be only in the hands of the executive, but the whole of the GO::DH membership. After all, this is precisely what you have been proposing, right?
Best,
BB
On 16/10/2017 17:48, Alex Gil wrote:
Thank you all,
Real quick, so I don't interrupt your conversation too much. Dan, would you be amenable to making your argument into a Google Doc? Perhaps Glen and Barbara would like to add. Just so that we can keep organized.
That's all, Please continue. This will be enormously helpful for the executive committee when it comes time to make a decision. As always feel free to write in the language you are comfortable in. We will figure it out.
a.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Amy Earhart aearhart@tamu.edu wrote:
Hello all,
It seems a large part of this discussion is not about ADHO, but rather about if we think our goals are best accomplished in an organizational structure. In some ways putting GO::DH into a large organization like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a very grass roots organization that resisted hierarchies, committees, officers, etc. and rather used social media and loose collaborations to create some sort of a movement or to create small projects. To me we are much more like a social movement, a political movement, than we are a typical academic organization. I think we are at a moment where we need to figure out if such a beginning should be contained within an organization for positive benefits, reject such organizational structures as antithetical to our goals or to come up with some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking about the issue as less about ADHO and more in this structural way has helped me to consider what might be at stake and where we might go.
Best,
Amy
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Ernesto,
I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.
Roopika
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On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you for this, Alex.
We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.
Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?
Thank you!
Ernesto
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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we should leave ADHO https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1BBq-2DmXnzJgw-5F5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=73InZUBn6feW_NnsRKa9QhqWZVq3M7z5CAMW6JU_LMc&e=. The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc.
A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations.
After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way."
We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.
We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair.
All best, Alex.
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Hi all,
I’ve been silent mostly because I’m so heavily involved with ACH, and also because I am not invested so much in *how* GO::DH survives but in *that* it survives.
To that end: what are some projects you (you, individually — not necessarily the people participating in conversation so far, although they too!) would love to see GO::DH undertake this year, before the status is finally decided on, that others on the list can help with? Some of us have done the #prmapathon, and that seems to be ongoing — great. I don’t currently have it in me to spearhead a project. How can I help with yours?
Vika Zafrin Digital Scholarship Librarian Boston University
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On Oct 21, 2017, at 7:32 PM, Alex Gil <colibri.alex@gmail.commailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you, Roopsi, I share your analysis.
On my end, my stint as chair ends in January anyway, so I'm not walking out. As I said earlier, I would help out with a smooth transition for the new chair—the one who would lead the investigation of CO status.
After that I have a full year to retain the title of regular executive member. In 2019 I shall return to the general membership... unless...
We vote to give GO::DH one last chance to shine or receive a dignified burial.
a.
On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 7:13 PM, Roopika Risam <rrisam@gmail.commailto:rrisam@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Dan and all,
After the GO::DH meeting in Montreal, Alex wrote to the list and suggested that a way forward would be for people who hold particular opinions on the future of GO::DH (independence, CO, or an alternative) put together a proposal to share so the membership could consider the proposals.
What Alex and I put forward is the independence proposal. Speaking for myself, as someone who has been a GO::DH "heavy lifter," I don't want to continue serving the ADHO diversity cause at the expense of more important work there is to do (the work we used to do when we started out). It's nothing against ADHO - I'm on the CCC for ACH - but is about GO::DH realizing its original goals and potential. Thus, I would rather GO::DH be independent than remain a SIG (where we get no benefit from SIG status) or become a CO (where GO::DH would likely be co-opted into the diversity matters even more than it already has).
The fact that there haven't been other proposals is actually indicative of the labor issues that led us to advocate for this position. Even though Alex solicited proposals in August, this has been the only one. If GO::DH is to have a future as something other than an email list for announcements, it does require labor. The independence model is proposing that we direct that labor away from ADHO and back towards the work we used to do. But if others aren't willing to take on that labor - whether the labor of proposing another model or of doing the work we initially set out to do, then we're an announcement list, and a lethargic one at that.
My term ends at the end of this year, so this isn't a walkout on my end. If the will is something other than independence and reassessment of our labor, I'll still be a member and support GO::DH, of course.
All best, Roopsi -- Roopika Risam, PhD Assistant Professor of English Chair, Program Area for Content Education Salem State University http://roopikarisam.com
On Oct 21, 2017, at 6:41 PM, O'Donnell, Dan <daniel.odonnell@uleth.camailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
Hi all,
I've been thinking about this for a couple of days, as I think I may have been misunderstanding the context of the discussion.
I had thought that basically the exec had put up a white paper, was calling for another arguing a different position, and then we were going to collectively decide what we thought the best route forward was.
Something Alex said the other day, however, makes me wonder if this is actually a confidence question. I.e. the executive have proposed a course of action, asked if there are any alternatives, and intend to resign if their proposal doesn't pass.
That second is a perfectly legitimate thing to do. Executives should not and cannot be asked to execute something they disagree with.
But it changes the calculus for the rest of us--or at least for me. While I think it makes sense to see what would be involved in becoming an ADHO Constituent Organisation before we decide on some other arrangement that precludes that, I don't feel or want to argue that the executive should resign. So if the independence proposal is actually a confidence vote, then I would, at most, abstain. I feel personally that there's an extra step we really could take before pursuing that route; but I don't absolutely require that others agree and I don't think that deciding to do otherwise is a disqualification from leadership.
Moreover, in such cases, if your proposal requires a change in leadership, as this apparently would, then I don't think you should propose something you aren't prepared to lead. I've been chair of GO::DH, and I don't think it would be appropriate to be it again, certainly not this close to having stepped down.
So I suppose if this were the spring and we were voting on candidates for the executive on the basis of platforms that differed along these lines (i.e. independence now vs first looking into what might be involved in being a CO), then I might see that as something that would influence my vote--though it might not even be decisive. But mid-term, where an argument one way is understood as a vote of confidence, I don't really feel comfortable pursuing that argument.
If the question from the executive was "here's a couple of options, help us understand the pros and cons so we can choose a course of action," then I have some thoughts. But if the question is "here's what we want to do, should we do this, or is there some other course that some other people might want to pursue in our places," then I don't really have a proposal. I think the jump to immediate independence is premature and ignores some things that I consider due diligence. But it is by no means irresponsible or beyond the pale, and it isn't something I want to see resignations over!
So I'm not sure I really have anything to add to this discussion. I've been happy with the people on the exec. I wished they agreed with me on investigating joining ADHO as a CO, but it isn't something I want to force a confidence vote on.
-dan
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Thank you Roopika! Very useful and interesting. It gives us a general idea of the ratio between number of email accounts participating in this conversation/thread in particular, and the number of subscribed accounts.
Carry on...
Cheers all.
On 20 Oct 2017 01:09, "Roopika Risam" <rrisam@gmail.commailto:rrisam@gmail.com> wrote: Ernesto and all,
GO::DH membership is defined by subscription to this email list. All members of the list have access to the email addresses of all who have subscribed. You can access it by visiting the following site and logging in: http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/globaloutlookdh-l
During our last election, we had 545 subscribers, but 25 of those email bounced. It's entirely possible there are individual subscribers who may be subscribed under more than one emails.
Though this information is incomplete, I hope it is of some use.
Roopika
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Ernesto Priego <efpriego@gmail.commailto:efpriego@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all,
Is it possible to know the membership of this list, or if privacy/consent is an issue at least some anonymised data, re: number of subscribed members, and/or proportion of members who do not currently serve in ADHO/ACH/EDAH/GO::DH committees/boards?
Thanks!
On 19 Oct 2017 21:40, "Roopika Risam" <rrisam@gmail.commailto:rrisam@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Alex,
As an executive member, I say yes to this.
Sincerely, Roopika
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On Oct 16, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Alex Gil <colibri.alex@gmail.commailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you, Barbara. I wish nothing more than that.
In the spirit of democracy, I ask all current executive members to say they agree for this vote to take place on the membership. A simple majority is all we need. We do not need for the vote to take place in secret—nothing on the bylaws about that. The bylaws, on the other hand do encourage important issues to be polled by members:
"Individual members in good standing have the right to vote in GO::DH elections and such issues as the Executive shall decide to poll the membership on."
Just say aye if you agree.
If the executive approves the passing of the poll, we will stick to our schedule, and vote on December 15. This gives us time to deliberate and secure a proper referendum, with an electoral officer assuring the standards of the proceedings.
a.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:02 PM, B. Bordalejo <barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.bemailto:barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.be> wrote:
Dear Alex,
Thank you for putting my name forward. Of course, as always, I am willing to work with Dan and others in making this case. However, I would like to be assured that that the decision will not be only in the hands of the executive, but the whole of the GO::DH membership. After all, this is precisely what you have been proposing, right?
Best,
BB
On 16/10/2017 17:48, Alex Gil wrote: Thank you all,
Real quick, so I don't interrupt your conversation too much. Dan, would you be amenable to making your argument into a Google Doc? Perhaps Glen and Barbara would like to add. Just so that we can keep organized.
That's all, Please continue. This will be enormously helpful for the executive committee when it comes time to make a decision. As always feel free to write in the language you are comfortable in. We will figure it out.
a.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Amy Earhart <aearhart@tamu.edumailto:aearhart@tamu.edu> wrote: Hello all,
It seems a large part of this discussion is not about ADHO, but rather about if we think our goals are best accomplished in an organizational structure. In some ways putting GO::DH into a large organization like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a very grass roots organization that resisted hierarchies, committees, officers, etc. and rather used social media and loose collaborations to create some sort of a movement or to create small projects. To me we are much more like a social movement, a political movement, than we are a typical academic organization. I think we are at a moment where we need to figure out if such a beginning should be contained within an organization for positive benefits, reject such organizational structures as antithetical to our goals or to come up with some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking about the issue as less about ADHO and more in this structural way has helped me to consider what might be at stake and where we might go.
Best,
Amy
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Ernesto,
I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.
Roopika
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On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego <efpriego@gmail.commailto:efpriego@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for this, Alex.
We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.
Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?
Thank you!
Ernesto
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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil <colibri.alex@gmail.commailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com> wrote: Dear all,
As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we should leave ADHOhttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1BBq-2DmXnzJgw-5F5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=73InZUBn6feW_NnsRKa9QhqWZVq3M7z5CAMW6JU_LMc&e=. The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc.
A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations.
After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way."
We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.
We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair.
All best, Alex.
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I have to say in this case my own view is that I think we have to do what the executive thinks is sustainable and that the time to debate further actions or courses is as the next elections roll round.
The arguments Roopsi and Alex are making are very true. I'd only disagree, perhaps, in the assessment that SIG status is useless--I think that it provides a connection, discoverability, and entrance path for those who are not already aware of us--and in the perceived lack of value in just existing--I think our existence provides a context for many peoples' understanding of themselves I often hear from people who are just glad we exist.
But there's absolutely no arguing with the labour issue. And I won't argue with peoples' experience about being coopted or the labour involved and the costs entailed.
Perhaps then the best way of handling this is really to ask people what they think of the independence option as a future for GO::DH, rather than as one of competing options. If it seems like a good idea to the membership, then we should pursue it. If it doesn't, then we'll need to think of something else, and perhaps people can propose ideas as the new elections come up in the spring (i.e. as platforms for election).
I guess the only question I have is is the independence option the recommendation of the executive as a body? I.e. has the executive discussed and voted on this and is this their recommendation? Or is this a proposal from members, some of all of whom are in the executive?
If it's the former, then at most I'd abstain; if it's the latter, I'd be really interested in hearing what others on the executive think.
I hope that my great respect for the work and leadership of all involved is coming through in this!
-dan
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Hi Dan and all,
After the GO::DH meeting in Montreal, Alex wrote to the list and suggested that a way forward would be for people who hold particular opinions on the future of GO::DH (independence, CO, or an alternative) put together a proposal to share so the membership could consider the proposals.
What Alex and I put forward is the independence proposal. Speaking for myself, as someone who has been a GO::DH "heavy lifter," I don't want to continue serving the ADHO diversity cause at the expense of more important work there is to do (the work we used to do when we started out). It's nothing against ADHO - I'm on the CCC for ACH - but is about GO::DH realizing its original goals and potential. Thus, I would rather GO::DH be independent than remain a SIG (where we get no benefit from SIG status) or become a CO (where GO::DH would likely be co-opted into the diversity matters even more than it already has).
The fact that there haven't been other proposals is actually indicative of the labor issues that led us to advocate for this position. Even though Alex solicited proposals in August, this has been the only one. If GO::DH is to have a future as something other than an email list for announcements, it does require labor. The independence model is proposing that we direct that labor away from ADHO and back towards the work we used to do. But if others aren't willing to take on that labor - whether the labor of proposing another model or of doing the work we initially set out to do, then we're an announcement list, and a lethargic one at that.
My term ends at the end of this year, so this isn't a walkout on my end. If the will is something other than independence and reassessment of our labor, I'll still be a member and support GO::DH, of course.
All best, Roopsi -- Roopika Risam, PhD Assistant Professor of English Chair, Program Area for Content Education Salem State University http://roopikarisam.com
On Oct 21, 2017, at 6:41 PM, O'Donnell, Dan <daniel.odonnell@uleth.camailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
Hi all,
I've been thinking about this for a couple of days, as I think I may have been misunderstanding the context of the discussion.
I had thought that basically the exec had put up a white paper, was calling for another arguing a different position, and then we were going to collectively decide what we thought the best route forward was.
Something Alex said the other day, however, makes me wonder if this is actually a confidence question. I.e. the executive have proposed a course of action, asked if there are any alternatives, and intend to resign if their proposal doesn't pass.
That second is a perfectly legitimate thing to do. Executives should not and cannot be asked to execute something they disagree with.
But it changes the calculus for the rest of us--or at least for me. While I think it makes sense to see what would be involved in becoming an ADHO Constituent Organisation before we decide on some other arrangement that precludes that, I don't feel or want to argue that the executive should resign. So if the independence proposal is actually a confidence vote, then I would, at most, abstain. I feel personally that there's an extra step we really could take before pursuing that route; but I don't absolutely require that others agree and I don't think that deciding to do otherwise is a disqualification from leadership.
Moreover, in such cases, if your proposal requires a change in leadership, as this apparently would, then I don't think you should propose something you aren't prepared to lead. I've been chair of GO::DH, and I don't think it would be appropriate to be it again, certainly not this close to having stepped down.
So I suppose if this were the spring and we were voting on candidates for the executive on the basis of platforms that differed along these lines (i.e. independence now vs first looking into what might be involved in being a CO), then I might see that as something that would influence my vote--though it might not even be decisive. But mid-term, where an argument one way is understood as a vote of confidence, I don't really feel comfortable pursuing that argument.
If the question from the executive was "here's a couple of options, help us understand the pros and cons so we can choose a course of action," then I have some thoughts. But if the question is "here's what we want to do, should we do this, or is there some other course that some other people might want to pursue in our places," then I don't really have a proposal. I think the jump to immediate independence is premature and ignores some things that I consider due diligence. But it is by no means irresponsible or beyond the pale, and it isn't something I want to see resignations over!
So I'm not sure I really have anything to add to this discussion. I've been happy with the people on the exec. I wished they agreed with me on investigating joining ADHO as a CO, but it isn't something I want to force a confidence vote on.
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________________________________ From: globaloutlookdh-l <globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.camailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca> on behalf of Ernesto Priego <efpriego@gmail.commailto:efpriego@gmail.com> Sent: October 20, 2017 2:31 To: globaloutlookdh-l, MailList Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] Why we should leave ADHO, go minimal and return to the planet.
Thank you Roopika! Very useful and interesting. It gives us a general idea of the ratio between number of email accounts participating in this conversation/thread in particular, and the number of subscribed accounts.
Carry on...
Cheers all.
On 20 Oct 2017 01:09, "Roopika Risam" <rrisam@gmail.commailto:rrisam@gmail.com> wrote: Ernesto and all,
GO::DH membership is defined by subscription to this email list. All members of the list have access to the email addresses of all who have subscribed. You can access it by visiting the following site and logging in: http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/globaloutlookdh-l
During our last election, we had 545 subscribers, but 25 of those email bounced. It's entirely possible there are individual subscribers who may be subscribed under more than one emails.
Though this information is incomplete, I hope it is of some use.
Roopika
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Ernesto Priego <efpriego@gmail.commailto:efpriego@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all,
Is it possible to know the membership of this list, or if privacy/consent is an issue at least some anonymised data, re: number of subscribed members, and/or proportion of members who do not currently serve in ADHO/ACH/EDAH/GO::DH committees/boards?
Thanks!
On 19 Oct 2017 21:40, "Roopika Risam" <rrisam@gmail.commailto:rrisam@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Alex,
As an executive member, I say yes to this.
Sincerely, Roopika
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On Oct 16, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Alex Gil <colibri.alex@gmail.commailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you, Barbara. I wish nothing more than that.
In the spirit of democracy, I ask all current executive members to say they agree for this vote to take place on the membership. A simple majority is all we need. We do not need for the vote to take place in secret—nothing on the bylaws about that. The bylaws, on the other hand do encourage important issues to be polled by members:
"Individual members in good standing have the right to vote in GO::DH elections and such issues as the Executive shall decide to poll the membership on."
Just say aye if you agree.
If the executive approves the passing of the poll, we will stick to our schedule, and vote on December 15. This gives us time to deliberate and secure a proper referendum, with an electoral officer assuring the standards of the proceedings.
a.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:02 PM, B. Bordalejo <barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.bemailto:barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.be> wrote:
Dear Alex,
Thank you for putting my name forward. Of course, as always, I am willing to work with Dan and others in making this case. However, I would like to be assured that that the decision will not be only in the hands of the executive, but the whole of the GO::DH membership. After all, this is precisely what you have been proposing, right?
Best,
BB
On 16/10/2017 17:48, Alex Gil wrote: Thank you all,
Real quick, so I don't interrupt your conversation too much. Dan, would you be amenable to making your argument into a Google Doc? Perhaps Glen and Barbara would like to add. Just so that we can keep organized.
That's all, Please continue. This will be enormously helpful for the executive committee when it comes time to make a decision. As always feel free to write in the language you are comfortable in. We will figure it out.
a.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Amy Earhart <aearhart@tamu.edumailto:aearhart@tamu.edu> wrote: Hello all,
It seems a large part of this discussion is not about ADHO, but rather about if we think our goals are best accomplished in an organizational structure. In some ways putting GO::DH into a large organization like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a very grass roots organization that resisted hierarchies, committees, officers, etc. and rather used social media and loose collaborations to create some sort of a movement or to create small projects. To me we are much more like a social movement, a political movement, than we are a typical academic organization. I think we are at a moment where we need to figure out if such a beginning should be contained within an organization for positive benefits, reject such organizational structures as antithetical to our goals or to come up with some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking about the issue as less about ADHO and more in this structural way has helped me to consider what might be at stake and where we might go.
Best,
Amy
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Ernesto,
I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.
Roopika
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On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego <efpriego@gmail.commailto:efpriego@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for this, Alex.
We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.
Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?
Thank you!
Ernesto
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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil <colibri.alex@gmail.commailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com> wrote: Dear all,
As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we should leave ADHOhttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1BBq-2DmXnzJgw-5F5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=73InZUBn6feW_NnsRKa9QhqWZVq3M7z5CAMW6JU_LMc&e=. The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc.
A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations.
After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way."
We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.
We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair.
All best, Alex.
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No, the executive does not push this as a body recommendation. I presented an opportunity for internal debate on August 11, and a couple of months before that. Thomas and Roopsi participated in the latest one, in which asked for help in designing a decision-making mechanism. I outlined a version of what you see before you. Interestingly enough, in both emails, I also asked for bare-minimum executive-labor roles to be filled, and we were short one to function at a minimum.
The referendum is designed to present positive, content-ful models of what we can become. Only one is on the table right now. Two, three, four are possible. If we reach December 1 with only 1 clearly outlined positive model, the vote will be on either ours or the status quo of existential SIG. That is fine by me.
Now that you mention it, let me go write the executive a separate email to see what they have to say in private quarters about who will vote. The email will say:
Dear executive,
If you vote to hold the vote for our future here say 'here,' if you vote for having the membership vote, say 'membership.' Please respond by Friday, October 27. If we do not reach quorum, we will have the vote in the executive per bylaws.
Best,
a.
I'll let you all know what happens.
Also, Dan, us veterans have said enough. Let's take a back seat in the debate per se, unless to present new information, answer a question, or if you do decide to present a Positive Model of what we should be.
Best, a.
On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 1:16 PM, O'Donnell, Dan daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote:
I have to say in this case my own view is that I think we have to do what the executive thinks is sustainable and that the time to debate further actions or courses is as the next elections roll round.
The arguments Roopsi and Alex are making are very true. I'd only disagree, perhaps, in the assessment that SIG status is useless--I think that it provides a connection, discoverability, and entrance path for those who are not already aware of us--and in the perceived lack of value in just existing--I think our existence provides a context for many peoples' understanding of themselves I often hear from people who are just glad we exist.
But there's absolutely no arguing with the labour issue. And I won't argue with peoples' experience about being coopted or the labour involved and the costs entailed.
Perhaps then the best way of handling this is really to ask people what they think of the independence option as a future for GO::DH, rather than as one of competing options. If it seems like a good idea to the membership, then we should pursue it. If it doesn't, then we'll need to think of something else, and perhaps people can propose ideas as the new elections come up in the spring (i.e. as platforms for election).
I guess the only question I have is is the independence option the recommendation of the executive as a body? I.e. has the executive discussed and voted on this and is this their recommendation? Or is this a proposal from members, some of all of whom are in the executive?
If it's the former, then at most I'd abstain; if it's the latter, I'd be really interested in hearing what others on the executive think.
I hope that my great respect for the work and leadership of all involved is coming through in this!
-dan
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Hi Dan and all,
After the GO::DH meeting in Montreal, Alex wrote to the list and suggested that a way forward would be for people who hold particular opinions on the future of GO::DH (independence, CO, or an alternative) put together a proposal to share so the membership could consider the proposals.
What Alex and I put forward is the independence proposal. Speaking for myself, as someone who has been a GO::DH "heavy lifter," I don't want to continue serving the ADHO diversity cause at the expense of more important work there is to do (the work we used to do when we started out). It's nothing against ADHO - I'm on the CCC for ACH - but is about GO::DH realizing its original goals and potential. Thus, I would rather GO::DH be independent than remain a SIG (where we get no benefit from SIG status) or become a CO (where GO::DH would likely be co-opted into the diversity matters even more than it already has).
The fact that there haven't been other proposals is actually indicative of the labor issues that led us to advocate for this position. Even though Alex solicited proposals in August, this has been the only one. If GO::DH is to have a future as something other than an email list for announcements, it does require labor. The independence model is proposing that we direct that labor away from ADHO and back towards the work we used to do. But if others aren't willing to take on that labor - whether the labor of proposing another model or of doing the work we initially set out to do, then we're an announcement list, and a lethargic one at that.
My term ends at the end of this year, so this isn't a walkout on my end. If the will is something other than independence and reassessment of our labor, I'll still be a member and support GO::DH, of course.
All best, Roopsi -- Roopika Risam, PhD Assistant Professor of English Chair, Program Area for Content Education Salem State University http://roopikarisam.com
On Oct 21, 2017, at 6:41 PM, O'Donnell, Dan daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote:
Hi all,
I've been thinking about this for a couple of days, as I think I may have been misunderstanding the context of the discussion.
I had thought that basically the exec had put up a white paper, was calling for another arguing a different position, and then we were going to collectively decide what we thought the best route forward was.
Something Alex said the other day, however, makes me wonder if this is actually a confidence question. I.e. the executive have proposed a course of action, asked if there are any alternatives, and intend to resign if their proposal doesn't pass.
That second is a perfectly legitimate thing to do. Executives should not and cannot be asked to execute something they disagree with.
But it changes the calculus for the rest of us--or at least for me. While I think it makes sense to see what would be involved in becoming an ADHO Constituent Organisation before we decide on some other arrangement that precludes that, I don't feel or want to argue that the executive should resign. So if the independence proposal is actually a confidence vote, then I would, at most, abstain. I feel personally that there's an extra step we really could take before pursuing that route; but I don't absolutely require that others agree and I don't think that deciding to do otherwise is a disqualification from leadership.
Moreover, in such cases, if your proposal requires a change in leadership, as this apparently would, then I don't think you should propose something you aren't prepared to lead. I've been chair of GO::DH, and I don't think it would be appropriate to be it again, certainly not this close to having stepped down.
So I suppose if this were the spring and we were voting on candidates for the executive on the basis of platforms that differed along these lines (i.e. independence now vs first looking into what might be involved in being a CO), then I *might* see that as something that would influence my vote--though it might not even be decisive. But mid-term, where an argument one way is understood as a vote of confidence, I don't really feel comfortable pursuing that argument.
If the question from the executive was "here's a couple of options, help us understand the pros and cons so we can choose a course of action," then I have some thoughts. But if the question is "here's what we want to do, should we do this, or is there some other course that some other people might want to pursue in our places," then I don't really have a proposal. I think the jump to immediate independence is premature and ignores some things that I consider due diligence. But it is by no means irresponsible or beyond the pale, and it isn't something I want to see resignations over!
So I'm not sure I really have anything to add to this discussion. I've been happy with the people on the exec. I wished they agreed with me on investigating joining ADHO as a CO, but it isn't something I want to force a confidence vote on.
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Thank you Roopika! Very useful and interesting. It gives us a general idea of the ratio between number of email accounts participating in this conversation/thread in particular, and the number of subscribed accounts.
Carry on...
Cheers all.
On 20 Oct 2017 01:09, "Roopika Risam" rrisam@gmail.com wrote:
Ernesto and all,
GO::DH membership is defined by subscription to this email list. All members of the list have access to the email addresses of all who have subscribed. You can access it by visiting the following site and logging in: http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/globaloutlookdh-l
During our last election, we had 545 subscribers, but 25 of those email bounced. It's entirely possible there are individual subscribers who may be subscribed under more than one emails.
Though this information is incomplete, I hope it is of some use.
Roopika
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Is it possible to know the membership of this list, or if privacy/consent is an issue at least some anonymised data, re: number of subscribed members, and/or proportion of members who do not currently serve in ADHO/ACH/EDAH/GO::DH committees/boards?
Thanks!
On 19 Oct 2017 21:40, "Roopika Risam" rrisam@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Alex,
As an executive member, I say yes to this.
Sincerely, Roopika
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On Oct 16, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you, Barbara. I wish nothing more than that.
In the spirit of democracy, I ask *all current executive members* to say they agree for this vote to take place on the membership. A simple majority is all we need. We do not need for the vote to take place in secret—nothing on the bylaws about that. The bylaws, on the other hand do encourage important issues to be polled by members:
"Individual members in good standing have the right to vote in GO::DH
elections and such issues as the Executive shall decide to poll the membership on."
*Just say aye if you agree.*
If the executive approves the passing of the poll, we will stick to our schedule, and vote on December 15. This gives us time to deliberate and secure a proper referendum, with an electoral officer assuring the standards of the proceedings.
a.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:02 PM, B. Bordalejo < barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.be> wrote:
Dear Alex,
Thank you for putting my name forward. Of course, as always, I am willing to work with Dan and others in making this case. However, I would like to be assured that that the decision will not be only in the hands of the executive, but the whole of the GO::DH membership. After all, this is precisely what you have been proposing, right?
Best,
BB
On 16/10/2017 17:48, Alex Gil wrote:
Thank you all,
Real quick, so I don't interrupt your conversation too much. Dan, would you be amenable to making your argument into a Google Doc? Perhaps Glen and Barbara would like to add. Just so that we can keep organized.
That's all, Please continue. This will be enormously helpful for the executive committee when it comes time to make a decision. As always feel free to write in the language you are comfortable in. We will figure it out.
a.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Amy Earhart aearhart@tamu.edu wrote:
Hello all,
It seems a large part of this discussion is not about ADHO, but rather about if we think our goals are best accomplished in an organizational structure. In some ways putting GO::DH into a large organization like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a very grass roots organization that resisted hierarchies, committees, officers, etc. and rather used social media and loose collaborations to create some sort of a movement or to create small projects. To me we are much more like a social movement, a political movement, than we are a typical academic organization. I think we are at a moment where we need to figure out if such a beginning should be contained within an organization for positive benefits, reject such organizational structures as antithetical to our goals or to come up with some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking about the issue as less about ADHO and more in this structural way has helped me to consider what might be at stake and where we might go.
Best,
Amy
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Ernesto,
I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.
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On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you for this, Alex.
We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.
Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?
Thank you!
Ernesto
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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we should leave ADHO https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1BBq-2DmXnzJgw-5F5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=73InZUBn6feW_NnsRKa9QhqWZVq3M7z5CAMW6JU_LMc&e=. The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc.
A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations.
After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way."
We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.
We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair.
All best, Alex.
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________________________________ From: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca on behalf of Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com Sent: October 22, 2017 12:12 To: globaloutlookdh-l, MailList Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] Understanding the context of the discussion (was Re: Why we should leave ADHO, go minimal and return to the planet.)
No, the executive does not push this as a body recommendation. I presented an opportunity for internal debate on August 11, and a couple of months before that. Thomas and Roopsi participated in the latest one, in which asked for help in designing a decision-making mechanism. I outlined a version of what you see before you. Interestingly enough, in both emails, I also asked for bare-minimum executive-labor roles to be filled, and we were short one to function at a minimum.
The referendum is designed to present positive, content-ful models of what we can become. Only one is on the table right now. Two, three, four are possible. If we reach December 1 with only 1 clearly outlined positive model, the vote will be on either ours or the status quo of existential SIG. That is fine by me.
Now that you mention it, let me go write the executive a separate email to see what they have to say in private quarters about who will vote. The email will say:
Dear executive, If you vote to hold the vote for our future here say 'here,' if you vote for having the membership vote, say 'membership.' Please respond by Friday, October 27. If we do not reach quorum, we will have the vote in the executive per bylaws. Best, a.
I'll let you all know what happens.
Also, Dan, us veterans have said enough. Let's take a back seat in the debate per se, unless to present new information, answer a question, or if you do decide to present a Positive Model of what we should be.
Best, a.
On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 1:16 PM, O'Donnell, Dan <daniel.odonnell@uleth.camailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote: I have to say in this case my own view is that I think we have to do what the executive thinks is sustainable and that the time to debate further actions or courses is as the next elections roll round.
The arguments Roopsi and Alex are making are very true. I'd only disagree, perhaps, in the assessment that SIG status is useless--I think that it provides a connection, discoverability, and entrance path for those who are not already aware of us--and in the perceived lack of value in just existing--I think our existence provides a context for many peoples' understanding of themselves I often hear from people who are just glad we exist.
But there's absolutely no arguing with the labour issue. And I won't argue with peoples' experience about being coopted or the labour involved and the costs entailed.
Perhaps then the best way of handling this is really to ask people what they think of the independence option as a future for GO::DH, rather than as one of competing options. If it seems like a good idea to the membership, then we should pursue it. If it doesn't, then we'll need to think of something else, and perhaps people can propose ideas as the new elections come up in the spring (i.e. as platforms for election).
I guess the only question I have is is the independence option the recommendation of the executive as a body? I.e. has the executive discussed and voted on this and is this their recommendation? Or is this a proposal from members, some of all of whom are in the executive?
If it's the former, then at most I'd abstain; if it's the latter, I'd be really interested in hearing what others on the executive think.
I hope that my great respect for the work and leadership of all involved is coming through in this!
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________________________________ From: globaloutlookdh-l <globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.camailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca> on behalf of Roopika Risam <rrisam@gmail.commailto:rrisam@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:13:51 PM To: globaloutlookdh-l, MailList Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] Understanding the context of the discussion (was Re: Why we should leave ADHO, go minimal and return to the planet.)
Hi Dan and all,
After the GO::DH meeting in Montreal, Alex wrote to the list and suggested that a way forward would be for people who hold particular opinions on the future of GO::DH (independence, CO, or an alternative) put together a proposal to share so the membership could consider the proposals.
What Alex and I put forward is the independence proposal. Speaking for myself, as someone who has been a GO::DH "heavy lifter," I don't want to continue serving the ADHO diversity cause at the expense of more important work there is to do (the work we used to do when we started out). It's nothing against ADHO - I'm on the CCC for ACH - but is about GO::DH realizing its original goals and potential. Thus, I would rather GO::DH be independent than remain a SIG (where we get no benefit from SIG status) or become a CO (where GO::DH would likely be co-opted into the diversity matters even more than it already has).
The fact that there haven't been other proposals is actually indicative of the labor issues that led us to advocate for this position. Even though Alex solicited proposals in August, this has been the only one. If GO::DH is to have a future as something other than an email list for announcements, it does require labor. The independence model is proposing that we direct that labor away from ADHO and back towards the work we used to do. But if others aren't willing to take on that labor - whether the labor of proposing another model or of doing the work we initially set out to do, then we're an announcement list, and a lethargic one at that.
My term ends at the end of this year, so this isn't a walkout on my end. If the will is something other than independence and reassessment of our labor, I'll still be a member and support GO::DH, of course.
All best, Roopsi -- Roopika Risam, PhD Assistant Professor of English Chair, Program Area for Content Education Salem State University http://roopikarisam.com
On Oct 21, 2017, at 6:41 PM, O'Donnell, Dan <daniel.odonnell@uleth.camailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
Hi all,
I've been thinking about this for a couple of days, as I think I may have been misunderstanding the context of the discussion.
I had thought that basically the exec had put up a white paper, was calling for another arguing a different position, and then we were going to collectively decide what we thought the best route forward was.
Something Alex said the other day, however, makes me wonder if this is actually a confidence question. I.e. the executive have proposed a course of action, asked if there are any alternatives, and intend to resign if their proposal doesn't pass.
That second is a perfectly legitimate thing to do. Executives should not and cannot be asked to execute something they disagree with.
But it changes the calculus for the rest of us--or at least for me. While I think it makes sense to see what would be involved in becoming an ADHO Constituent Organisation before we decide on some other arrangement that precludes that, I don't feel or want to argue that the executive should resign. So if the independence proposal is actually a confidence vote, then I would, at most, abstain. I feel personally that there's an extra step we really could take before pursuing that route; but I don't absolutely require that others agree and I don't think that deciding to do otherwise is a disqualification from leadership.
Moreover, in such cases, if your proposal requires a change in leadership, as this apparently would, then I don't think you should propose something you aren't prepared to lead. I've been chair of GO::DH, and I don't think it would be appropriate to be it again, certainly not this close to having stepped down.
So I suppose if this were the spring and we were voting on candidates for the executive on the basis of platforms that differed along these lines (i.e. independence now vs first looking into what might be involved in being a CO), then I might see that as something that would influence my vote--though it might not even be decisive. But mid-term, where an argument one way is understood as a vote of confidence, I don't really feel comfortable pursuing that argument.
If the question from the executive was "here's a couple of options, help us understand the pros and cons so we can choose a course of action," then I have some thoughts. But if the question is "here's what we want to do, should we do this, or is there some other course that some other people might want to pursue in our places," then I don't really have a proposal. I think the jump to immediate independence is premature and ignores some things that I consider due diligence. But it is by no means irresponsible or beyond the pale, and it isn't something I want to see resignations over!
So I'm not sure I really have anything to add to this discussion. I've been happy with the people on the exec. I wished they agreed with me on investigating joining ADHO as a CO, but it isn't something I want to force a confidence vote on.
-dan
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________________________________ From: globaloutlookdh-l <globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.camailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca> on behalf of Ernesto Priego <efpriego@gmail.commailto:efpriego@gmail.com> Sent: October 20, 2017 2:31 To: globaloutlookdh-l, MailList Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] Why we should leave ADHO, go minimal and return to the planet.
Thank you Roopika! Very useful and interesting. It gives us a general idea of the ratio between number of email accounts participating in this conversation/thread in particular, and the number of subscribed accounts.
Carry on...
Cheers all.
On 20 Oct 2017 01:09, "Roopika Risam" <rrisam@gmail.commailto:rrisam@gmail.com> wrote: Ernesto and all,
GO::DH membership is defined by subscription to this email list. All members of the list have access to the email addresses of all who have subscribed. You can access it by visiting the following site and logging in: http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/globaloutlookdh-l
During our last election, we had 545 subscribers, but 25 of those email bounced. It's entirely possible there are individual subscribers who may be subscribed under more than one emails.
Though this information is incomplete, I hope it is of some use.
Roopika
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Ernesto Priego <efpriego@gmail.commailto:efpriego@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all,
Is it possible to know the membership of this list, or if privacy/consent is an issue at least some anonymised data, re: number of subscribed members, and/or proportion of members who do not currently serve in ADHO/ACH/EDAH/GO::DH committees/boards?
Thanks!
On 19 Oct 2017 21:40, "Roopika Risam" <rrisam@gmail.commailto:rrisam@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Alex,
As an executive member, I say yes to this.
Sincerely, Roopika
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On Oct 16, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Alex Gil <colibri.alex@gmail.commailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you, Barbara. I wish nothing more than that.
In the spirit of democracy, I ask all current executive members to say they agree for this vote to take place on the membership. A simple majority is all we need. We do not need for the vote to take place in secret—nothing on the bylaws about that. The bylaws, on the other hand do encourage important issues to be polled by members:
"Individual members in good standing have the right to vote in GO::DH elections and such issues as the Executive shall decide to poll the membership on."
Just say aye if you agree.
If the executive approves the passing of the poll, we will stick to our schedule, and vote on December 15. This gives us time to deliberate and secure a proper referendum, with an electoral officer assuring the standards of the proceedings.
a.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:02 PM, B. Bordalejo <barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.bemailto:barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.be> wrote:
Dear Alex,
Thank you for putting my name forward. Of course, as always, I am willing to work with Dan and others in making this case. However, I would like to be assured that that the decision will not be only in the hands of the executive, but the whole of the GO::DH membership. After all, this is precisely what you have been proposing, right?
Best,
BB
On 16/10/2017 17:48, Alex Gil wrote: Thank you all,
Real quick, so I don't interrupt your conversation too much. Dan, would you be amenable to making your argument into a Google Doc? Perhaps Glen and Barbara would like to add. Just so that we can keep organized.
That's all, Please continue. This will be enormously helpful for the executive committee when it comes time to make a decision. As always feel free to write in the language you are comfortable in. We will figure it out.
a.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Amy Earhart <aearhart@tamu.edumailto:aearhart@tamu.edu> wrote: Hello all,
It seems a large part of this discussion is not about ADHO, but rather about if we think our goals are best accomplished in an organizational structure. In some ways putting GO::DH into a large organization like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a very grass roots organization that resisted hierarchies, committees, officers, etc. and rather used social media and loose collaborations to create some sort of a movement or to create small projects. To me we are much more like a social movement, a political movement, than we are a typical academic organization. I think we are at a moment where we need to figure out if such a beginning should be contained within an organization for positive benefits, reject such organizational structures as antithetical to our goals or to come up with some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking about the issue as less about ADHO and more in this structural way has helped me to consider what might be at stake and where we might go.
Best,
Amy
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Ernesto,
I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.
Roopika
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On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego <efpriego@gmail.commailto:efpriego@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for this, Alex.
We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.
Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?
Thank you!
Ernesto
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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil <colibri.alex@gmail.commailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com> wrote: Dear all,
As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we should leave ADHOhttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1BBq-2DmXnzJgw-5F5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=73InZUBn6feW_NnsRKa9QhqWZVq3M7z5CAMW6JU_LMc&e=. The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc.
A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations.
After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way."
We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.
We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair.
All best, Alex.
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