GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Hi all,
Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
"The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related to our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm... http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of a GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as possible within those constraints.
To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly in Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections:
- Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation (Lead editor: Gimena del Rio) - Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors: Alex Gil and Élika Ortega - Best practice in inter-cultural language use and communication (Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide).
Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc specifically for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute in whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy. Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
-dan
Dear all,
This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on Governance and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rL...
Please, feel free to add and comment.
All best, Élika
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca
wrote:
Hi all,
Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
"The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related to our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html
http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm...
http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of a GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as possible within those constraints.
To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly in Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections:
- Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation (Lead
editor: Gimena del Rio)
- Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors: Alex Gil
and Élika Ortega
- Best practice in inter-cultural language use and communication (Lead
editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide).
Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc specifically for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute in whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy. Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
-dan
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Hi Élika and everyone,
I just realized that I've inserted in the intercultural etc. document some proposals and reflections that are quite general and concern also governance and other topics. Just feel free to move them around if you think they make any sense.
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss these issues in a collective way. But the fact that ADHO can either accept or reject these suggestions reminds me of a situation similar to XVII-XVIII century Europe where kings and rulers could or could not accept the proposals made by elected or partially elected assemblies. So once again I like to call a spade a spade: ADHO it is not a democratic organization. We can put as much effort as we wish in drafting our proposals and pushing our requests, but the reality is that our action can be considered, in the best case, what constitutional experts would call a form of 'moral persuasion'. So I'm afraid we are not still equal on this (digital humanities) world.
Sorry for being out of line with this. But there is no other way to defend democracy in these days except to start applying it.
Domenico Il 29/Nov/2015 06:46, "Élika Ortega" elikaortega@gmail.com ha scritto:
Dear all,
This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on Governance and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rL...
Please, feel free to add and comment.
All best, Élika
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell < daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
Hi all,
Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
"The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related to our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html
http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm...
http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of a GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as possible within those constraints.
To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly in Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections:
- Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation (Lead
editor: Gimena del Rio)
- Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors: Alex Gil
and Élika Ortega
- Best practice in inter-cultural language use and communication
(Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide).
Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc specifically for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute in whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy. Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
-dan
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Dear Domenico,
ADHO is an indirect democracy: there are six constituent organisations, with (I think all of them) elected boards. These boards select voting members to the ADHO Steering Committee.
Whether such an indirect structure can be called democratic is a question of how one defines democracy. But there are other organisations using a similar indirect structure that are claimed to be democratic.
Would you prefer to turn ADHO into an organisation with personal membership and a Steering Committee elected on a one person-one vote basis?
Regards,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 06:38, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Hi Élika and everyone,
I just realized that I've inserted in the intercultural etc. document some proposals and reflections that are quite general and concern also governance and other topics. Just feel free to move them around if you think they make any sense.
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss these issues in a collective way. But the fact that ADHO can either accept or reject these suggestions reminds me of a situation similar to XVII-XVIII century Europe where kings and rulers could or could not accept the proposals made by elected or partially elected assemblies. So once again I like to call a spade a spade: ADHO it is not a democratic organization. We can put as much effort as we wish in drafting our proposals and pushing our requests, but the reality is that our action can be considered, in the best case, what constitutional experts would call a form of 'moral persuasion'. So I'm afraid we are not still equal on this (digital humanities) world.
Sorry for being out of line with this. But there is no other way to defend democracy in these days except to start applying it.
Domenico Il 29/Nov/2015 06:46, "Élika Ortega" elikaortega@gmail.com ha scritto: Dear all,
This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on Governance and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rL...
Please, feel free to add and comment.
All best, Élika
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote: Hi all,
Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
"The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related to our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm... http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of a GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as possible within those constraints.
To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly in Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections: • Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation (Lead editor: Gimena del Rio) • Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors: Alex Gil and Élika Ortega • Best practice in inter-cultural language use and communication (Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide). Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc specifically for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute in whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy.
Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
-dan
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Dear Øyvind and everyone,
my observations referred initially to the quality and nature of the decision-making process that will lead ADHO to accept or not our suggestions. Then I extended my observations, in my usual polemic style, to ADHO political and institutional settings as a whole. I'm delighted to answer your question, but I would like to know if you think that spending hours on these proposals knowing that ADHO has no obligation to accept any of them is a part of a democratic exercise. Of course I believe it is better than nothing. But even octroyées constitutions were better than absolutism.
What I would prefer for our community is not a mystery and you can find it in dozens of articles, blog posts, emails, etc. I made public in the last fifteen years. What I think we need is a federation of national associations. Isn't that simple? Not perfect, of course, but a step forward.
I know that an elective political system is just one of the several features that defines and constitutes a democratic system. But what you call indirect democracy derives from the intrinsic limits of the ADHO initial project, i.e. to create an umbrella organization for what was already there -- at least in the visible horizon of a prevalently Anglophone community. I don't think that in those times it was a bad idea or that ADHO has done nothing so far to be more inclusive. However, that original bias remained. The structure was created to include existent associations (although recently the new Australasian association joined ADHO reaffirming the Anglophone majority). Other national European associations, like the Italian AIUCD and the German DDH, joined ADHO through the EADH. The result is that both the presence and the influence of Italian and German communities are in principle diluted comparing to other national communities. And how about the French and Spanish associations? Do we think these two communities will accept, like the German and the Italian associations, to be represented in ADHO by the EADH? (Incidentally, the process that led at least one of these two associations to join EADH was far from transparent, as members were not publicly consulted.)
I'm aware of present ADHO's efforts to reflect in its committees a power balance not just based on numbers, but that doesn't change the essence of the problem: inequality of representation. This inequality, unfortunately, it's a default condition of the present governance structure.
As I said and wrote many times, it is not acceptable that if I represent a national group in Europe I could join ADHO only through EADH, but if I am Mexican or Canadian I can join directly. It is like saying that if Turkey wants to join the EU has to join before Romania or Hungary. I'm aware that absurdities like these have historical reasons. But we are here to change and make our history, not to be subjects of it. So I'm really sorry for those friends and colleagues who spent a considerable amount of time, and in same cases most of their lifes, building and strengthening organizations like EADH, but in fact the same existence of such 'constituent organizations' makes today not possible to speak about a democratically representative DH international organization. What seems more serious is that the current governance structure prevents other regional and national groups to join ADHO freely and on equal basis preconditions.
I think it is just a matter of time: things soon or later will change also in DH, and new realities will substitute old ones. You may not agree with what I wrote so far, but what is clear is that present structures cannot accommodate the global explosion of DH. The sooner we'll realize this, the better for everyone.
Sorry for this lengthy reply.
Saluti a tutti
Domenico Il 29/Nov/2015 13:56, "Øyvind Eide" lister@oeide.no ha scritto:
Dear Domenico,
ADHO is an indirect democracy: there are six constituent organisations, with (I think all of them) elected boards. These boards select voting members to the ADHO Steering Committee.
Whether such an indirect structure can be called democratic is a question of how one defines democracy. But there are other organisations using a similar indirect structure that are claimed to be democratic.
Would you prefer to turn ADHO into an organisation with personal membership and a Steering Committee elected on a one person-one vote basis?
Regards,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 06:38, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Hi Élika and everyone,
I just realized that I've inserted in the intercultural etc. document
some proposals and reflections that are quite general and concern also governance and other topics. Just feel free to move them around if you think they make any sense.
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss these issues in a
collective way. But the fact that ADHO can either accept or reject these suggestions reminds me of a situation similar to XVII-XVIII century Europe where kings and rulers could or could not accept the proposals made by elected or partially elected assemblies. So once again I like to call a spade a spade: ADHO it is not a democratic organization. We can put as much effort as we wish in drafting our proposals and pushing our requests, but the reality is that our action can be considered, in the best case, what constitutional experts would call a form of 'moral persuasion'.
So I'm afraid we are not still equal on this (digital humanities) world.
Sorry for being out of line with this. But there is no other way to
defend democracy in these days except to start applying it.
Domenico Il 29/Nov/2015 06:46, "Élika Ortega" elikaortega@gmail.com ha scritto: Dear all,
This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on Governance
and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rL...
Please, feel free to add and comment.
All best, Élika
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell <
daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
Hi all,
Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John
Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
"The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to
establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related to our
core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm...
http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of a
GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as
possible within those constraints.
To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly in
Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections:
• Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation (Leadeditor: Gimena del Rio)
• Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors: AlexGil and Élika Ortega
• Best practice in inter-cultural language use and communication(Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide).
Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc specifically
for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute in
whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy.
Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these
topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
-dan
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Thank you all for the subtle, calm conversation at a moment of open recommendations, at a moment when the existential question is scary to many in the CO's.
I wanted to go on the record to say that I agree wholeheartedly with Domenico in the goal: a federation with equal representation that unites for the sake of an annual conference, and perhaps, only perhaps, a shared publication. I wouldn't limit the constituents to the nation-state per se, but close enough. In America, for example, we could go on organizing an annual conference that our students can afford, and more focused on our 'flavors' of DH with the combined forces of RedHD, CSDH and ACH. This regional agreement would be independent of our individual relationship to a federation.
That said, I think Domenico and I have found our most productive differences trying to work out the details of how to get to the global federation. I have been the most conservative of the two, everyone knows, arguing that we can transform ADHO from within, patiently and strategically, rather than building the alternative from our existing networks. At many times I have felt that perhaps my work would be best spent building our own, as Domenico suggests, even if it would take us years to achieve the prominence of ADHO (which benefits many outside the regions covered by the pretensions of the CO's).
At this particular juncture, though, I would not be a party to starting anything that threatens the conference in Mexico in 2018. Thankfully, that gives us time to think through the details of plan B, and I do hope that GO::DH continues to be the place where we can freely talk about the existential question.
Hope that helps, a.
On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Domenico Fiormonte < domenico.fiormonte@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Øyvind and everyone,
my observations referred initially to the quality and nature of the decision-making process that will lead ADHO to accept or not our suggestions. Then I extended my observations, in my usual polemic style, to ADHO political and institutional settings as a whole. I'm delighted to answer your question, but I would like to know if you think that spending hours on these proposals knowing that ADHO has no obligation to accept any of them is a part of a democratic exercise. Of course I believe it is better than nothing. But even octroyées constitutions were better than absolutism.
What I would prefer for our community is not a mystery and you can find it in dozens of articles, blog posts, emails, etc. I made public in the last fifteen years. What I think we need is a federation of national associations. Isn't that simple? Not perfect, of course, but a step forward.
I know that an elective political system is just one of the several features that defines and constitutes a democratic system. But what you call indirect democracy derives from the intrinsic limits of the ADHO initial project, i.e. to create an umbrella organization for what was already there -- at least in the visible horizon of a prevalently Anglophone community. I don't think that in those times it was a bad idea or that ADHO has done nothing so far to be more inclusive. However, that original bias remained. The structure was created to include existent associations (although recently the new Australasian association joined ADHO reaffirming the Anglophone majority). Other national European associations, like the Italian AIUCD and the German DDH, joined ADHO through the EADH. The result is that both the presence and the influence of Italian and German communities are in principle diluted comparing to other national communities. And how about the French and Spanish associations? Do we think these two communities will accept, like the German and the Italian associations, to be represented in ADHO by the EADH? (Incidentally, the process that led at least one of these two associations to join EADH was far from transparent, as members were not publicly consulted.)
I'm aware of present ADHO's efforts to reflect in its committees a power balance not just based on numbers, but that doesn't change the essence of the problem: inequality of representation. This inequality, unfortunately, it's a default condition of the present governance structure.
As I said and wrote many times, it is not acceptable that if I represent a national group in Europe I could join ADHO only through EADH, but if I am Mexican or Canadian I can join directly. It is like saying that if Turkey wants to join the EU has to join before Romania or Hungary. I'm aware that absurdities like these have historical reasons. But we are here to change and make our history, not to be subjects of it. So I'm really sorry for those friends and colleagues who spent a considerable amount of time, and in same cases most of their lifes, building and strengthening organizations like EADH, but in fact the same existence of such 'constituent organizations' makes today not possible to speak about a democratically representative DH international organization. What seems more serious is that the current governance structure prevents other regional and national groups to join ADHO freely and on equal basis preconditions.
I think it is just a matter of time: things soon or later will change also in DH, and new realities will substitute old ones. You may not agree with what I wrote so far, but what is clear is that present structures cannot accommodate the global explosion of DH. The sooner we'll realize this, the better for everyone.
Sorry for this lengthy reply.
Saluti a tutti
Domenico Il 29/Nov/2015 13:56, "Øyvind Eide" lister@oeide.no ha scritto:
Dear Domenico,
ADHO is an indirect democracy: there are six constituent organisations, with (I think all of them) elected boards. These boards select voting members to the ADHO Steering Committee.
Whether such an indirect structure can be called democratic is a question of how one defines democracy. But there are other organisations using a similar indirect structure that are claimed to be democratic.
Would you prefer to turn ADHO into an organisation with personal membership and a Steering Committee elected on a one person-one vote basis?
Regards,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 06:38, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Hi Élika and everyone,
I just realized that I've inserted in the intercultural etc. document
some proposals and reflections that are quite general and concern also governance and other topics. Just feel free to move them around if you think they make any sense.
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss these issues in a
collective way. But the fact that ADHO can either accept or reject these suggestions reminds me of a situation similar to XVII-XVIII century Europe where kings and rulers could or could not accept the proposals made by elected or partially elected assemblies. So once again I like to call a spade a spade: ADHO it is not a democratic organization. We can put as much effort as we wish in drafting our proposals and pushing our requests, but the reality is that our action can be considered, in the best case, what constitutional experts would call a form of 'moral persuasion'.
So I'm afraid we are not still equal on this (digital humanities) world.
Sorry for being out of line with this. But there is no other way to
defend democracy in these days except to start applying it.
Domenico Il 29/Nov/2015 06:46, "Élika Ortega" elikaortega@gmail.com ha
scritto:
Dear all,
This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on Governance
and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rL...
Please, feel free to add and comment.
All best, Élika
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell <
daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
Hi all,
Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John
Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
"The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to
establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related to
our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm...
http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of a
GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as
possible within those constraints.
To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly in
Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections:
• Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation (Leadeditor: Gimena del Rio)
• Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors: AlexGil and Élika Ortega
• Best practice in inter-cultural language use and communication(Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide).
Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc specifically
for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute in
whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy.
Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these
topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
-dan
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Dear Domenico,
Thank you for a clear and thorough reply. We may not agree on all aspects of history, nor on the details of the best (least bad) future organisation (should the power of Iceland be the same as the power of China? Maybe that is the least bad we can do), but I think we agree that ADHO must change into something easier to manage and more representative and inclusive. My take on this is to see what comes out of the current process for simplifying the structure of ADHO. If that indeed makes it better it gives us a starting point for further development and changes.
ADHO is a tool which is only meaningful as long as it makes sense to us, it should never become a goal in itself. For those working within the system that is always important to remember, it is so easy to make our tools our goals. For me ADHO still makes sense. We do good things with it and it is a place to meet.
I also believe that the free software concept of “gjørokrati” (do-ocracy in English?) is one aspect -- those who are willing to do work gets more influence. It has to be checked and limited by other bases for power, though.
Ha en fin kveld,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 20:51, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Dear Øyvind and everyone,
my observations referred initially to the quality and nature of the decision-making process that will lead ADHO to accept or not our suggestions. Then I extended my observations, in my usual polemic style, to ADHO political and institutional settings as a whole. I'm delighted to answer your question, but I would like to know if you think that spending hours on these proposals knowing that ADHO has no obligation to accept any of them is a part of a democratic exercise. Of course I believe it is better than nothing. But even octroyées constitutions were better than absolutism.
What I would prefer for our community is not a mystery and you can find it in dozens of articles, blog posts, emails, etc. I made public in the last fifteen years. What I think we need is a federation of national associations. Isn't that simple? Not perfect, of course, but a step forward.
I know that an elective political system is just one of the several features that defines and constitutes a democratic system. But what you call indirect democracy derives from the intrinsic limits of the ADHO initial project, i.e. to create an umbrella organization for what was already there -- at least in the visible horizon of a prevalently Anglophone community. I don't think that in those times it was a bad idea or that ADHO has done nothing so far to be more inclusive. However, that original bias remained. The structure was created to include existent associations (although recently the new Australasian association joined ADHO reaffirming the Anglophone majority). Other national European associations, like the Italian AIUCD and the German DDH, joined ADHO through the EADH. The result is that both the presence and the influence of Italian and German communities are in principle diluted comparing to other national communities. And how about the French and Spanish associations? Do we think these two communities will accept, like the German and the Italian associations, to be represented in ADHO by the EADH? (Incidentally, the process that led at least one of these two associations to join EADH was far from transparent, as members were not publicly consulted.)
I'm aware of present ADHO's efforts to reflect in its committees a power balance not just based on numbers, but that doesn't change the essence of the problem: inequality of representation. This inequality, unfortunately, it's a default condition of the present governance structure.
As I said and wrote many times, it is not acceptable that if I represent a national group in Europe I could join ADHO only through EADH, but if I am Mexican or Canadian I can join directly. It is like saying that if Turkey wants to join the EU has to join before Romania or Hungary. I'm aware that absurdities like these have historical reasons. But we are here to change and make our history, not to be subjects of it. So I'm really sorry for those friends and colleagues who spent a considerable amount of time, and in same cases most of their lifes, building and strengthening organizations like EADH, but in fact the same existence of such 'constituent organizations' makes today not possible to speak about a democratically representative DH international organization. What seems more serious is that the current governance structure prevents other regional and national groups to join ADHO freely and on equal basis preconditions.
I think it is just a matter of time: things soon or later will change also in DH, and new realities will substitute old ones. You may not agree with what I wrote so far, but what is clear is that present structures cannot accommodate the global explosion of DH. The sooner we'll realize this, the better for everyone.
Sorry for this lengthy reply.
Saluti a tutti
Domenico
Il 29/Nov/2015 13:56, "Øyvind Eide" lister@oeide.no ha scritto: Dear Domenico,
ADHO is an indirect democracy: there are six constituent organisations, with (I think all of them) elected boards. These boards select voting members to the ADHO Steering Committee.
Whether such an indirect structure can be called democratic is a question of how one defines democracy. But there are other organisations using a similar indirect structure that are claimed to be democratic.
Would you prefer to turn ADHO into an organisation with personal membership and a Steering Committee elected on a one person-one vote basis?
Regards,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 06:38, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Hi Élika and everyone,
I just realized that I've inserted in the intercultural etc. document some proposals and reflections that are quite general and concern also governance and other topics. Just feel free to move them around if you think they make any sense.
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss these issues in a collective way. But the fact that ADHO can either accept or reject these suggestions reminds me of a situation similar to XVII-XVIII century Europe where kings and rulers could or could not accept the proposals made by elected or partially elected assemblies. So once again I like to call a spade a spade: ADHO it is not a democratic organization. We can put as much effort as we wish in drafting our proposals and pushing our requests, but the reality is that our action can be considered, in the best case, what constitutional experts would call a form of 'moral persuasion'. So I'm afraid we are not still equal on this (digital humanities) world.
Sorry for being out of line with this. But there is no other way to defend democracy in these days except to start applying it.
Domenico Il 29/Nov/2015 06:46, "Élika Ortega" elikaortega@gmail.com ha scritto: Dear all,
This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on Governance and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rL...
Please, feel free to add and comment.
All best, Élika
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote: Hi all,
Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
"The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related to our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm... http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of a GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as possible within those constraints.
To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly in Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections: • Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation (Lead editor: Gimena del Rio) • Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors: Alex Gil and Élika Ortega • Best practice in inter-cultural language use and communication (Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide). Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc specifically for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute in whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy.
Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
-dan
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As you all know, I don't care one way or the other as long as Canadians run things ;-)
Seriously though. I think things like GO::DH and CenterNet are partially a way around this, because they break things up. GO::DH is not a voting CO of ADHO, but it is also not "under" a CO either and it has had an outsized effect on the field, I think it is fair to say... or at least ADHO. This is not by chance: there was a very serious proposal a few years ago, soon after GO::DH established the SIG model at ADHO, to place SIGs organisationally under COs: i.e. they would have to register via a CO. That was something I and some others argued successfully against.
GO::DH began with representation on the SC at ADHO, though we lost that once it became clear that there potentially would be many SIGs, for the do-ocractic reason that the committee would become very unwieldy. Something I don't consider too unreasonable.
I'm on Alex's side of things on this, I think, though I also think the EADH situation is a very tough one to fix. On the whole, I think the route to change within ADHO (and I'll say I think one of its most interesting characteristics) is its willingness to consider alternate, non-national models for COs: so CenterNet, the ACH (in its own view of itself). I'd say encouraging the movement of the TEI into ADHO as a CO would be a great step (one I wanted when I was chair, but never managed to do); it would be interesting is something like the Portuguese DH group were to enter as a linguistic one (is there not something like that afoot with the fraoncophonie?).
So I think there actually is space. To the extent I understand it, the real trouble along the lines you are reporting may be *at* the CO level rather than the ADHO level. I.e. it might be a trouble of definition within Europe. But I don't know enough to say.
Something I do think that ADHO did wrong was get rid of the option to become a voting member of all COs. I thought that was a brilliant system and I was sad to see it go. I never exercised my vote outside of the CSDH, but I liked being, in principle, a member of all COs.
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 at 13:28 Øyvind Eide lister@oeide.no wrote:
Dear Domenico,
Thank you for a clear and thorough reply. We may not agree on all aspects of history, nor on the details of the best (least bad) future organisation (should the power of Iceland be the same as the power of China? Maybe that is the least bad we can do), but I think we agree that ADHO must change into something easier to manage and more representative and inclusive. My take on this is to see what comes out of the current process for simplifying the structure of ADHO. If that indeed makes it better it gives us a starting point for further development and changes.
ADHO is a tool which is only meaningful as long as it makes sense to us, it should never become a goal in itself. For those working within the system that is always important to remember, it is so easy to make our tools our goals. For me ADHO still makes sense. We do good things with it and it is a place to meet.
I also believe that the free software concept of “gjørokrati” (do-ocracy in English?) is one aspect -- those who are willing to do work gets more influence. It has to be checked and limited by other bases for power, though.
Ha en fin kveld,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 20:51, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Dear Øyvind and everyone,
my observations referred initially to the quality and nature of the
decision-making process that will lead ADHO to accept or not our suggestions. Then I extended my observations, in my usual polemic style, to ADHO political and institutional settings as a whole. I'm delighted to answer your question, but I would like to know if you think that spending hours on these proposals knowing that ADHO has no obligation to accept any of them is a part of a democratic exercise. Of course I believe it is better than nothing. But even octroyées constitutions were better than absolutism.
What I would prefer for our community is not a mystery and you can find
it in dozens of articles, blog posts, emails, etc. I made public in the last fifteen years. What I think we need is a federation of national associations.
Isn't that simple? Not perfect, of course, but a step forward.
I know that an elective political system is just one of the several
features that defines and constitutes a democratic system. But what you call indirect democracy derives from the intrinsic limits of the ADHO initial project, i.e. to create an umbrella organization for what was already there -- at least in the visible horizon of a prevalently Anglophone community. I don't think that in those times it was a bad idea or that ADHO has done nothing so far to be more inclusive. However, that original bias remained. The structure was created to include existent associations (although recently the new Australasian association joined ADHO reaffirming the Anglophone majority). Other national European associations, like the Italian AIUCD and the German DDH, joined ADHO through the EADH. The result is that both the presence and the influence of Italian and German communities are in principle diluted comparing to other national communities.
And how about the French and Spanish associations? Do we think these two
communities will accept, like the German and the Italian associations, to be represented in ADHO by the EADH? (Incidentally, the process that led at least one of these two associations to join EADH was far from transparent, as members were not publicly consulted.)
I'm aware of present ADHO's efforts to reflect in its committees a power
balance not just based on numbers, but that doesn't change the essence of the problem: inequality of representation. This inequality, unfortunately, it's a default condition of the present governance structure.
As I said and wrote many times, it is not acceptable that if I represent
a national group in Europe I could join ADHO only through EADH, but if I am Mexican or Canadian I can join directly. It is like saying that if Turkey wants to join the EU has to join before Romania or Hungary. I'm aware that absurdities like these have historical reasons. But we are here to change and make our history, not to be subjects of it. So I'm really sorry for those friends and colleagues who spent a considerable amount of time, and in same cases most of their lifes, building and strengthening organizations like EADH, but in fact the same existence of such 'constituent organizations' makes today not possible to speak about a democratically representative DH international organization. What seems more serious is that the current governance structure prevents other regional and national groups to join ADHO freely and on equal basis preconditions.
I think it is just a matter of time: things soon or later will change
also in DH, and new realities will substitute old ones. You may not agree with what I wrote so far, but what is clear is that present structures cannot accommodate the global explosion of DH. The sooner we'll realize this, the better for everyone.
Sorry for this lengthy reply.
Saluti a tutti
Domenico
Il 29/Nov/2015 13:56, "Øyvind Eide" lister@oeide.no ha scritto: Dear Domenico,
ADHO is an indirect democracy: there are six constituent organisations,
with (I think all of them) elected boards. These boards select voting members to the ADHO Steering Committee.
Whether such an indirect structure can be called democratic is a
question of how one defines democracy. But there are other organisations using a similar indirect structure that are claimed to be democratic.
Would you prefer to turn ADHO into an organisation with personal
membership and a Steering Committee elected on a one person-one vote basis?
Regards,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 06:38, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Hi Élika and everyone,
I just realized that I've inserted in the intercultural etc. document
some proposals and reflections that are quite general and concern also governance and other topics. Just feel free to move them around if you think they make any sense.
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss these issues in a
collective way. But the fact that ADHO can either accept or reject these suggestions reminds me of a situation similar to XVII-XVIII century Europe where kings and rulers could or could not accept the proposals made by elected or partially elected assemblies. So once again I like to call a spade a spade: ADHO it is not a democratic organization. We can put as much effort as we wish in drafting our proposals and pushing our requests, but the reality is that our action can be considered, in the best case, what constitutional experts would call a form of 'moral persuasion'.
So I'm afraid we are not still equal on this (digital humanities)
world.
Sorry for being out of line with this. But there is no other way to
defend democracy in these days except to start applying it.
Domenico Il 29/Nov/2015 06:46, "Élika Ortega" elikaortega@gmail.com ha
scritto:
Dear all,
This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on Governance
and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rL...
Please, feel free to add and comment.
All best, Élika
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell <
daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
Hi all,
Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John
Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
"The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to
establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related to
our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm...
http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of a
GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as
possible within those constraints.
To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly in
Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections:
• Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation (Leadeditor: Gimena del Rio)
• Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors: AlexGil and Élika Ortega
• Best practice in inter-cultural language use and communication(Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide).
Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc
specifically for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute in
whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy.
Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these
topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
-dan
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Dear Daniel, dear all,
Just a very quick note to complete your last message: it is correct that Humanisticahttp://www.humanisti.ca, the francophone DH association, is currently in an admission process with ADHO as a linguistic association.
All best, Martin
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Martin GRANDJEAN UNIL - University of Lausanne, Switzerland HUMANISTICAhttp://humanisti.ca Spokesman (french-speaking digital humanities association) Web: martingrandjean.chhttp://www.martingrandjean.ch/ [+ newsletterhttp://www.martingrandjean.ch/subscription/] Twitter: @GrandjeanMartinhttp://www.twitter.com/GrandjeanMartin
On 30 nov. 2015, at 15:24, Daniel O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell@uleth.camailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
As you all know, I don't care one way or the other as long as Canadians run things ;-)
Seriously though. I think things like GO::DH and CenterNet are partially a way around this, because they break things up. GO::DH is not a voting CO of ADHO, but it is also not "under" a CO either and it has had an outsized effect on the field, I think it is fair to say... or at least ADHO. This is not by chance: there was a very serious proposal a few years ago, soon after GO::DH established the SIG model at ADHO, to place SIGs organisationally under COs: i.e. they would have to register via a CO. That was something I and some others argued successfully against.
GO::DH began with representation on the SC at ADHO, though we lost that once it became clear that there potentially would be many SIGs, for the do-ocractic reason that the committee would become very unwieldy. Something I don't consider too unreasonable.
I'm on Alex's side of things on this, I think, though I also think the EADH situation is a very tough one to fix. On the whole, I think the route to change within ADHO (and I'll say I think one of its most interesting characteristics) is its willingness to consider alternate, non-national models for COs: so CenterNet, the ACH (in its own view of itself). I'd say encouraging the movement of the TEI into ADHO as a CO would be a great step (one I wanted when I was chair, but never managed to do); it would be interesting is something like the Portuguese DH group were to enter as a linguistic one (is there not something like that afoot with the fraoncophonie?).
So I think there actually is space. To the extent I understand it, the real trouble along the lines you are reporting may be at the CO level rather than the ADHO level. I.e. it might be a trouble of definition within Europe. But I don't know enough to say.
Something I do think that ADHO did wrong was get rid of the option to become a voting member of all COs. I thought that was a brilliant system and I was sad to see it go. I never exercised my vote outside of the CSDH, but I liked being, in principle, a member of all COs.
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 at 13:28 Øyvind Eide <lister@oeide.nomailto:lister@oeide.no> wrote: Dear Domenico,
Thank you for a clear and thorough reply. We may not agree on all aspects of history, nor on the details of the best (least bad) future organisation (should the power of Iceland be the same as the power of China? Maybe that is the least bad we can do), but I think we agree that ADHO must change into something easier to manage and more representative and inclusive. My take on this is to see what comes out of the current process for simplifying the structure of ADHO. If that indeed makes it better it gives us a starting point for further development and changes.
ADHO is a tool which is only meaningful as long as it makes sense to us, it should never become a goal in itself. For those working within the system that is always important to remember, it is so easy to make our tools our goals. For me ADHO still makes sense. We do good things with it and it is a place to meet.
I also believe that the free software concept of “gjørokrati” (do-ocracy in English?) is one aspect -- those who are willing to do work gets more influence. It has to be checked and limited by other bases for power, though.
Ha en fin kveld,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 20:51, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Dear Øyvind and everyone,
my observations referred initially to the quality and nature of the decision-making process that will lead ADHO to accept or not our suggestions. Then I extended my observations, in my usual polemic style, to ADHO political and institutional settings as a whole. I'm delighted to answer your question, but I would like to know if you think that spending hours on these proposals knowing that ADHO has no obligation to accept any of them is a part of a democratic exercise. Of course I believe it is better than nothing. But even octroyées constitutions were better than absolutism.
What I would prefer for our community is not a mystery and you can find it in dozens of articles, blog posts, emails, etc. I made public in the last fifteen years. What I think we need is a federation of national associations. Isn't that simple? Not perfect, of course, but a step forward.
I know that an elective political system is just one of the several features that defines and constitutes a democratic system. But what you call indirect democracy derives from the intrinsic limits of the ADHO initial project, i.e. to create an umbrella organization for what was already there -- at least in the visible horizon of a prevalently Anglophone community. I don't think that in those times it was a bad idea or that ADHO has done nothing so far to be more inclusive. However, that original bias remained. The structure was created to include existent associations (although recently the new Australasian association joined ADHO reaffirming the Anglophone majority). Other national European associations, like the Italian AIUCD and the German DDH, joined ADHO through the EADH. The result is that both the presence and the influence of Italian and German communities are in principle diluted comparing to other national communities. And how about the French and Spanish associations? Do we think these two communities will accept, like the German and the Italian associations, to be represented in ADHO by the EADH? (Incidentally, the process that led at least one of these two associations to join EADH was far from transparent, as members were not publicly consulted.)
I'm aware of present ADHO's efforts to reflect in its committees a power balance not just based on numbers, but that doesn't change the essence of the problem: inequality of representation. This inequality, unfortunately, it's a default condition of the present governance structure.
As I said and wrote many times, it is not acceptable that if I represent a national group in Europe I could join ADHO only through EADH, but if I am Mexican or Canadian I can join directly. It is like saying that if Turkey wants to join the EU has to join before Romania or Hungary. I'm aware that absurdities like these have historical reasons. But we are here to change and make our history, not to be subjects of it. So I'm really sorry for those friends and colleagues who spent a considerable amount of time, and in same cases most of their lifes, building and strengthening organizations like EADH, but in fact the same existence of such 'constituent organizations' makes today not possible to speak about a democratically representative DH international organization. What seems more serious is that the current governance structure prevents other regional and national groups to join ADHO freely and on equal basis preconditions.
I think it is just a matter of time: things soon or later will change also in DH, and new realities will substitute old ones. You may not agree with what I wrote so far, but what is clear is that present structures cannot accommodate the global explosion of DH. The sooner we'll realize this, the better for everyone.
Sorry for this lengthy reply.
Saluti a tutti
Domenico
Il 29/Nov/2015 13:56, "Øyvind Eide" <lister@oeide.nomailto:lister@oeide.no> ha scritto: Dear Domenico,
ADHO is an indirect democracy: there are six constituent organisations, with (I think all of them) elected boards. These boards select voting members to the ADHO Steering Committee.
Whether such an indirect structure can be called democratic is a question of how one defines democracy. But there are other organisations using a similar indirect structure that are claimed to be democratic.
Would you prefer to turn ADHO into an organisation with personal membership and a Steering Committee elected on a one person-one vote basis?
Regards,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 06:38, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Hi Élika and everyone,
I just realized that I've inserted in the intercultural etc. document some proposals and reflections that are quite general and concern also governance and other topics. Just feel free to move them around if you think they make any sense.
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss these issues in a collective way. But the fact that ADHO can either accept or reject these suggestions reminds me of a situation similar to XVII-XVIII century Europe where kings and rulers could or could not accept the proposals made by elected or partially elected assemblies. So once again I like to call a spade a spade: ADHO it is not a democratic organization. We can put as much effort as we wish in drafting our proposals and pushing our requests, but the reality is that our action can be considered, in the best case, what constitutional experts would call a form of 'moral persuasion'. So I'm afraid we are not still equal on this (digital humanities) world.
Sorry for being out of line with this. But there is no other way to defend democracy in these days except to start applying it.
Domenico Il 29/Nov/2015 06:46, "Élika Ortega" <elikaortega@gmail.commailto:elikaortega@gmail.com> ha scritto: Dear all,
This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on Governance and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rL...
Please, feel free to add and comment.
All best, Élika
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell@uleth.camailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote: Hi all,
Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
"The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related to our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm... http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of a GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as possible within those constraints.
To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly in Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections: • Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation (Lead editor: Gimena del Rio) • Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors: Alex Gil and Élika Ortega • Best practice in inter-cultural language use and communication (Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide). Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc specifically for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute in whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy.
Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
-dan
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Dear All, I would like to join in and celebrate the fact that you invited us all to contribute to the document. I am sorry that due to the short time span and personal workload I was unable to contribute to the document.
I think there is a general agreement that the AHDO structure is currently not flexible or inclusive enough and recent episodes are a reflection of this. I am not quite sure though what I would like ADHO to look like and how it should function. At present there seems to be a division between a national/regional approach and a linguistic one (sometimes they are the same but not always). As it stands currently the structure doesn't make much sense, and it doesn't seem very fair in terms of decision making. However, I think that the groups, in particular this one, are in place for us to have discussions about this. The RedHD is not a CO or part of a CO. Where do we fit in in all of this? What are the different options for participating? How do we relate not only to ADHO but to other DH associations both official and 'un-official' or emerging? What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018? I think that one of the most important issues, regardless of how one becomes associated to ADHO, is how the agenda is decided and discussed. Association should not mean assimilation. Sorry if my ideas are not very developed but I did want to write and say how important I think this discussion is. Best, Isabel
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________________________________________ De: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca en nombre de Øyvind Eide lister@oeide.no Enviado: domingo, 29 de noviembre de 2015 02:28 p. m. Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Dear Domenico,
Thank you for a clear and thorough reply. We may not agree on all aspects of history, nor on the details of the best (least bad) future organisation (should the power of Iceland be the same as the power of China? Maybe that is the least bad we can do), but I think we agree that ADHO must change into something easier to manage and more representative and inclusive. My take on this is to see what comes out of the current process for simplifying the structure of ADHO. If that indeed makes it better it gives us a starting point for further development and changes.
ADHO is a tool which is only meaningful as long as it makes sense to us, it should never become a goal in itself. For those working within the system that is always important to remember, it is so easy to make our tools our goals. For me ADHO still makes sense. We do good things with it and it is a place to meet.
I also believe that the free software concept of “gjørokrati” (do-ocracy in English?) is one aspect -- those who are willing to do work gets more influence. It has to be checked and limited by other bases for power, though.
Ha en fin kveld,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 20:51, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Dear Øyvind and everyone,
my observations referred initially to the quality and nature of the decision-making process that will lead ADHO to accept or not our suggestions. Then I extended my observations, in my usual polemic style, to ADHO political and institutional settings as a whole. I'm delighted to answer your question, but I would like to know if you think that spending hours on these proposals knowing that ADHO has no obligation to accept any of them is a part of a democratic exercise. Of course I believe it is better than nothing. But even octroyées constitutions were better than absolutism.
What I would prefer for our community is not a mystery and you can find it in dozens of articles, blog posts, emails, etc. I made public in the last fifteen years. What I think we need is a federation of national associations. Isn't that simple? Not perfect, of course, but a step forward.
I know that an elective political system is just one of the several features that defines and constitutes a democratic system. But what you call indirect democracy derives from the intrinsic limits of the ADHO initial project, i.e. to create an umbrella organization for what was already there -- at least in the visible horizon of a prevalently Anglophone community. I don't think that in those times it was a bad idea or that ADHO has done nothing so far to be more inclusive. However, that original bias remained. The structure was created to include existent associations (although recently the new Australasian association joined ADHO reaffirming the Anglophone majority). Other national European associations, like the Italian AIUCD and the German DDH, joined ADHO through the EADH. The result is that both the presence and the influence of Italian and German communities are in principle diluted comparing to other national communities. And how about the French and Spanish associations? Do we think these two communities will accept, like the German and the Italian associations, to be represented in ADHO by the EADH? (Incidentally, the process that led at least one of these two associations to join EADH was far from transparent, as members were not publicly consulted.)
I'm aware of present ADHO's efforts to reflect in its committees a power balance not just based on numbers, but that doesn't change the essence of the problem: inequality of representation. This inequality, unfortunately, it's a default condition of the present governance structure.
As I said and wrote many times, it is not acceptable that if I represent a national group in Europe I could join ADHO only through EADH, but if I am Mexican or Canadian I can join directly. It is like saying that if Turkey wants to join the EU has to join before Romania or Hungary. I'm aware that absurdities like these have historical reasons. But we are here to change and make our history, not to be subjects of it. So I'm really sorry for those friends and colleagues who spent a considerable amount of time, and in same cases most of their lifes, building and strengthening organizations like EADH, but in fact the same existence of such 'constituent organizations' makes today not possible to speak about a democratically representative DH international organization. What seems more serious is that the current governance structure prevents other regional and national groups to join ADHO freely and on equal basis preconditions.
I think it is just a matter of time: things soon or later will change also in DH, and new realities will substitute old ones. You may not agree with what I wrote so far, but what is clear is that present structures cannot accommodate the global explosion of DH. The sooner we'll realize this, the better for everyone.
Sorry for this lengthy reply.
Saluti a tutti
Domenico
Il 29/Nov/2015 13:56, "Øyvind Eide" lister@oeide.no ha scritto: Dear Domenico,
ADHO is an indirect democracy: there are six constituent organisations, with (I think all of them) elected boards. These boards select voting members to the ADHO Steering Committee.
Whether such an indirect structure can be called democratic is a question of how one defines democracy. But there are other organisations using a similar indirect structure that are claimed to be democratic.
Would you prefer to turn ADHO into an organisation with personal membership and a Steering Committee elected on a one person-one vote basis?
Regards,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 06:38, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Hi Élika and everyone,
I just realized that I've inserted in the intercultural etc. document some proposals and reflections that are quite general and concern also governance and other topics. Just feel free to move them around if you think they make any sense.
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss these issues in a collective way. But the fact that ADHO can either accept or reject these suggestions reminds me of a situation similar to XVII-XVIII century Europe where kings and rulers could or could not accept the proposals made by elected or partially elected assemblies. So once again I like to call a spade a spade: ADHO it is not a democratic organization. We can put as much effort as we wish in drafting our proposals and pushing our requests, but the reality is that our action can be considered, in the best case, what constitutional experts would call a form of 'moral persuasion'. So I'm afraid we are not still equal on this (digital humanities) world.
Sorry for being out of line with this. But there is no other way to defend democracy in these days except to start applying it.
Domenico Il 29/Nov/2015 06:46, "Élika Ortega" elikaortega@gmail.com ha scritto: Dear all,
This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on Governance and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rL...
Please, feel free to add and comment.
All best, Élika
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote: Hi all,
Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
"The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related to our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm... http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of a GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as possible within those constraints.
To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly in Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections: • Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation (Lead editor: Gimena del Rio) • Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors: Alex Gil and Élika Ortega • Best practice in inter-cultural language use and communication (Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide). Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc specifically for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute in whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy.
Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
-dan
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In response to Isabel's question "What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018?" I feel compelled to note that I sincerely hope the Montreal and Mexico City conferences will lead to more French and Spanish speakers volunteering to review for the DH conference.
As some of you may know, I set up accounts for reviewers in conftool back in the fall of 2006 and worked with a few Program Committee Chairs to add more reviewers paying particular attention to increasing the numbers of those willing to read the languages listed in the DH2007 and DH2008 cfps and particular attention to increasing the numbers of reviewers with expertise in certain subject areas where there was a need for additional reviewers. I'm still rather amazed that ADHO would list Chinese and Japanese in a cfp when they only had one reviewer willing and able to read those languages circa fall 2006 and Arabic when they didn't have a single reviewer capable of reading Arabic. Okay, technically the cfp did state that authors were supposed to provide an English language translation of their abstracts, but as I would have anticipated not everyone noted that they were supposed to provide an English translation. Consequently the DH2007 PC Chair ended up needing to have some Russian abstracts translated by a member of the PC Committee because he not only didn't have enough reviewers capable of reading Russian circa fall 2006, he also didn't know which reviewers could read Russian.
While I did manage to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read languages other than English and to add information regarding languages reviewers were willing to read into conftool abet in a less than ideal way, there was still a need for far more work to be done in my opinion. While I know ADHO has since moved to issuing open calls for reviewers, my witnessing one while still working on the database suggested to me that open calls work to increase the number of individuals in the same country as the PC Chair (since they are more likely to see and respond to the call as soon as it is sent out) and the number of North Americans (since there a number of North Americans who will tweet and retweet the calls for reviewers so they reach their North American colleagues).
My understanding is that there should be an open call for reviewers before the next conference. I would strongly encourage members of the GO:DH community to share that call with their colleagues especially those colleagues who would be willing to read abstracts in any languages other than English. Even if a particular language isn't listed in the cfp for DH2016, there is always a chance that someone might turn in an abstract dealing with texts in that particular language and in my opinion it would be very helpful for the PC Chair to have the opportunity to assign the abstract to at least one reviewer who can read that language. I also honestly believe that having a more linguistically and culturally diverse pool of reviewers is very beneficial for the conference.
I would also note that I know in the pre-DH2007 period there was a willingness to allow reviewers to volunteer to review abstracts in languages other than English without requiring them to review English language abstracts. I wish the powers that be were still allowing this as I feel it might be easier to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read certain languages if one allowed them to choose to only read abstracts in their first language. There also was a willingness to let reviewers provide comments for authors in the language the abstract was submitted in as long as they also provided some feedback for the PC in English as well.
Sara Schmidt
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:46 PM, igalina igalina@unam.mx wrote:
Dear All, I would like to join in and celebrate the fact that you invited us all to contribute to the document. I am sorry that due to the short time span and personal workload I was unable to contribute to the document.
I think there is a general agreement that the AHDO structure is currently not flexible or inclusive enough and recent episodes are a reflection of this. I am not quite sure though what I would like ADHO to look like and how it should function. At present there seems to be a division between a national/regional approach and a linguistic one (sometimes they are the same but not always). As it stands currently the structure doesn't make much sense, and it doesn't seem very fair in terms of decision making. However, I think that the groups, in particular this one, are in place for us to have discussions about this. The RedHD is not a CO or part of a CO. Where do we fit in in all of this? What are the different options for participating? How do we relate not only to ADHO but to other DH associations both official and 'un-official' or emerging? What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018? I think that one of the most important issues, regardless of how one becomes associated to ADHO, is how the agenda is decided and discussed. Association should not mean assimilation. Sorry if my ideas are not very developed but I did want to write and say how important I think this discussion is. Best, Isabel
Dra. Isabel Galina Russell Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliográficas, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) igalina@unam.mx @igalina
De: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca en nombre de Øyvind Eide lister@oeide.no Enviado: domingo, 29 de noviembre de 2015 02:28 p. m. Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Dear Domenico,
Thank you for a clear and thorough reply. We may not agree on all aspects of history, nor on the details of the best (least bad) future organisation (should the power of Iceland be the same as the power of China? Maybe that is the least bad we can do), but I think we agree that ADHO must change into something easier to manage and more representative and inclusive. My take on this is to see what comes out of the current process for simplifying the structure of ADHO. If that indeed makes it better it gives us a starting point for further development and changes.
ADHO is a tool which is only meaningful as long as it makes sense to us, it should never become a goal in itself. For those working within the system that is always important to remember, it is so easy to make our tools our goals. For me ADHO still makes sense. We do good things with it and it is a place to meet.
I also believe that the free software concept of “gjørokrati” (do-ocracy in English?) is one aspect -- those who are willing to do work gets more influence. It has to be checked and limited by other bases for power, though.
Ha en fin kveld,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 20:51, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Dear Øyvind and everyone,
my observations referred initially to the quality and nature of the
decision-making process that will lead ADHO to accept or not our suggestions. Then I extended my observations, in my usual polemic style, to ADHO political and institutional settings as a whole. I'm delighted to answer your question, but I would like to know if you think that spending hours on these proposals knowing that ADHO has no obligation to accept any of them is a part of a democratic exercise. Of course I believe it is better than nothing. But even octroyées constitutions were better than absolutism.
What I would prefer for our community is not a mystery and you can find
it in dozens of articles, blog posts, emails, etc. I made public in the last fifteen years. What I think we need is a federation of national associations.
Isn't that simple? Not perfect, of course, but a step forward.
I know that an elective political system is just one of the several
features that defines and constitutes a democratic system. But what you call indirect democracy derives from the intrinsic limits of the ADHO initial project, i.e. to create an umbrella organization for what was already there -- at least in the visible horizon of a prevalently Anglophone community. I don't think that in those times it was a bad idea or that ADHO has done nothing so far to be more inclusive. However, that original bias remained. The structure was created to include existent associations (although recently the new Australasian association joined ADHO reaffirming the Anglophone majority). Other national European associations, like the Italian AIUCD and the German DDH, joined ADHO through the EADH. The result is that both the presence and the influence of Italian and German communities are in principle diluted comparing to other national communities.
And how about the French and Spanish associations? Do we think these two
communities will accept, like the German and the Italian associations, to be represented in ADHO by the EADH? (Incidentally, the process that led at least one of these two associations to join EADH was far from transparent, as members were not publicly consulted.)
I'm aware of present ADHO's efforts to reflect in its committees a power
balance not just based on numbers, but that doesn't change the essence of the problem: inequality of representation. This inequality, unfortunately, it's a default condition of the present governance structure.
As I said and wrote many times, it is not acceptable that if I represent
a national group in Europe I could join ADHO only through EADH, but if I am Mexican or Canadian I can join directly. It is like saying that if Turkey wants to join the EU has to join before Romania or Hungary. I'm aware that absurdities like these have historical reasons. But we are here to change and make our history, not to be subjects of it. So I'm really sorry for those friends and colleagues who spent a considerable amount of time, and in same cases most of their lifes, building and strengthening organizations like EADH, but in fact the same existence of such 'constituent organizations' makes today not possible to speak about a democratically representative DH international organization. What seems more serious is that the current governance structure prevents other regional and national groups to join ADHO freely and on equal basis preconditions.
I think it is just a matter of time: things soon or later will change
also in DH, and new realities will substitute old ones. You may not agree with what I wrote so far, but what is clear is that present structures cannot accommodate the global explosion of DH. The sooner we'll realize this, the better for everyone.
Sorry for this lengthy reply.
Saluti a tutti
Domenico
Il 29/Nov/2015 13:56, "Øyvind Eide" lister@oeide.no ha scritto: Dear Domenico,
ADHO is an indirect democracy: there are six constituent organisations,
with (I think all of them) elected boards. These boards select voting members to the ADHO Steering Committee.
Whether such an indirect structure can be called democratic is a
question of how one defines democracy. But there are other organisations using a similar indirect structure that are claimed to be democratic.
Would you prefer to turn ADHO into an organisation with personal
membership and a Steering Committee elected on a one person-one vote basis?
Regards,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 06:38, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Hi Élika and everyone,
I just realized that I've inserted in the intercultural etc. document
some proposals and reflections that are quite general and concern also governance and other topics. Just feel free to move them around if you think they make any sense.
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss these issues in a
collective way. But the fact that ADHO can either accept or reject these suggestions reminds me of a situation similar to XVII-XVIII century Europe where kings and rulers could or could not accept the proposals made by elected or partially elected assemblies. So once again I like to call a spade a spade: ADHO it is not a democratic organization. We can put as much effort as we wish in drafting our proposals and pushing our requests, but the reality is that our action can be considered, in the best case, what constitutional experts would call a form of 'moral persuasion'.
So I'm afraid we are not still equal on this (digital humanities)
world.
Sorry for being out of line with this. But there is no other way to
defend democracy in these days except to start applying it.
Domenico Il 29/Nov/2015 06:46, "Élika Ortega" elikaortega@gmail.com ha
scritto:
Dear all,
This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on Governance
and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rL...
Please, feel free to add and comment.
All best, Élika
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell <
daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
Hi all,
Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John
Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
"The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to
establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related to
our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm...
http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of a
GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as
possible within those constraints.
To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly in
Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections:
• Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation (Leadeditor: Gimena del Rio)
• Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors: AlexGil and Élika Ortega
• Best practice in inter-cultural language use and communication(Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide).
Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc
specifically for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute in
whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy.
Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these
topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
-dan
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Thank you, Sara, for this background. Things are in transition right now and the question of recruiting language reviewers hinges more at this moment on whether the structures will be there to receive them. I think GO::DH could, in theory, expand the reviewer pool by a substantial amount if we set our energies to it, but I think there are tacit reasons why that massive recruitment effort hasn't happened. I *personally* think we still have work to do on the ADHO side (and to a lesser degree our own CO's) before I, again *personally*, go out on a campaign to bring in friends and friends of friends into the fold. You shrewdly notice though that some of us with reservations will do that work for Montreal and Mexico, and *just in time*, we hope, as some or all of our recommendations get implemented.
cheers, a.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Sara A. Schmidt saschmidt8@gmail.com wrote:
In response to Isabel's question "What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018?" I feel compelled to note that I sincerely hope the Montreal and Mexico City conferences will lead to more French and Spanish speakers volunteering to review for the DH conference.
As some of you may know, I set up accounts for reviewers in conftool back in the fall of 2006 and worked with a few Program Committee Chairs to add more reviewers paying particular attention to increasing the numbers of those willing to read the languages listed in the DH2007 and DH2008 cfps and particular attention to increasing the numbers of reviewers with expertise in certain subject areas where there was a need for additional reviewers. I'm still rather amazed that ADHO would list Chinese and Japanese in a cfp when they only had one reviewer willing and able to read those languages circa fall 2006 and Arabic when they didn't have a single reviewer capable of reading Arabic. Okay, technically the cfp did state that authors were supposed to provide an English language translation of their abstracts, but as I would have anticipated not everyone noted that they were supposed to provide an English translation. Consequently the DH2007 PC Chair ended up needing to have some Russian abstracts translated by a member of the PC Committee because he not only didn't have enough reviewers capable of reading Russian circa fall 2006, he also didn't know which reviewers could read Russian.
While I did manage to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read languages other than English and to add information regarding languages reviewers were willing to read into conftool abet in a less than ideal way, there was still a need for far more work to be done in my opinion. While I know ADHO has since moved to issuing open calls for reviewers, my witnessing one while still working on the database suggested to me that open calls work to increase the number of individuals in the same country as the PC Chair (since they are more likely to see and respond to the call as soon as it is sent out) and the number of North Americans (since there a number of North Americans who will tweet and retweet the calls for reviewers so they reach their North American colleagues).
My understanding is that there should be an open call for reviewers before the next conference. I would strongly encourage members of the GO:DH community to share that call with their colleagues especially those colleagues who would be willing to read abstracts in any languages other than English. Even if a particular language isn't listed in the cfp for DH2016, there is always a chance that someone might turn in an abstract dealing with texts in that particular language and in my opinion it would be very helpful for the PC Chair to have the opportunity to assign the abstract to at least one reviewer who can read that language. I also honestly believe that having a more linguistically and culturally diverse pool of reviewers is very beneficial for the conference.
I would also note that I know in the pre-DH2007 period there was a willingness to allow reviewers to volunteer to review abstracts in languages other than English without requiring them to review English language abstracts. I wish the powers that be were still allowing this as I feel it might be easier to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read certain languages if one allowed them to choose to only read abstracts in their first language. There also was a willingness to let reviewers provide comments for authors in the language the abstract was submitted in as long as they also provided some feedback for the PC in English as well.
Sara Schmidt
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:46 PM, igalina igalina@unam.mx wrote:
Dear All, I would like to join in and celebrate the fact that you invited us all to contribute to the document. I am sorry that due to the short time span and personal workload I was unable to contribute to the document.
I think there is a general agreement that the AHDO structure is currently not flexible or inclusive enough and recent episodes are a reflection of this. I am not quite sure though what I would like ADHO to look like and how it should function. At present there seems to be a division between a national/regional approach and a linguistic one (sometimes they are the same but not always). As it stands currently the structure doesn't make much sense, and it doesn't seem very fair in terms of decision making. However, I think that the groups, in particular this one, are in place for us to have discussions about this. The RedHD is not a CO or part of a CO. Where do we fit in in all of this? What are the different options for participating? How do we relate not only to ADHO but to other DH associations both official and 'un-official' or emerging? What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018? I think that one of the most important issues, regardless of how one becomes associated to ADHO, is how the agenda is decided and discussed. Association should not mean assimilation. Sorry if my ideas are not very developed but I did want to write and say how important I think this discussion is. Best, Isabel
Dra. Isabel Galina Russell Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliográficas, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) igalina@unam.mx @igalina
De: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca en nombre de Øyvind Eide lister@oeide.no Enviado: domingo, 29 de noviembre de 2015 02:28 p. m. Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Dear Domenico,
Thank you for a clear and thorough reply. We may not agree on all aspects of history, nor on the details of the best (least bad) future organisation (should the power of Iceland be the same as the power of China? Maybe that is the least bad we can do), but I think we agree that ADHO must change into something easier to manage and more representative and inclusive. My take on this is to see what comes out of the current process for simplifying the structure of ADHO. If that indeed makes it better it gives us a starting point for further development and changes.
ADHO is a tool which is only meaningful as long as it makes sense to us, it should never become a goal in itself. For those working within the system that is always important to remember, it is so easy to make our tools our goals. For me ADHO still makes sense. We do good things with it and it is a place to meet.
I also believe that the free software concept of “gjørokrati” (do-ocracy in English?) is one aspect -- those who are willing to do work gets more influence. It has to be checked and limited by other bases for power, though.
Ha en fin kveld,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 20:51, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Dear Øyvind and everyone,
my observations referred initially to the quality and nature of the
decision-making process that will lead ADHO to accept or not our suggestions. Then I extended my observations, in my usual polemic style, to ADHO political and institutional settings as a whole. I'm delighted to answer your question, but I would like to know if you think that spending hours on these proposals knowing that ADHO has no obligation to accept any of them is a part of a democratic exercise. Of course I believe it is better than nothing. But even octroyées constitutions were better than absolutism.
What I would prefer for our community is not a mystery and you can find
it in dozens of articles, blog posts, emails, etc. I made public in the last fifteen years. What I think we need is a federation of national associations.
Isn't that simple? Not perfect, of course, but a step forward.
I know that an elective political system is just one of the several
features that defines and constitutes a democratic system. But what you call indirect democracy derives from the intrinsic limits of the ADHO initial project, i.e. to create an umbrella organization for what was already there -- at least in the visible horizon of a prevalently Anglophone community. I don't think that in those times it was a bad idea or that ADHO has done nothing so far to be more inclusive. However, that original bias remained. The structure was created to include existent associations (although recently the new Australasian association joined ADHO reaffirming the Anglophone majority). Other national European associations, like the Italian AIUCD and the German DDH, joined ADHO through the EADH. The result is that both the presence and the influence of Italian and German communities are in principle diluted comparing to other national communities.
And how about the French and Spanish associations? Do we think these
two communities will accept, like the German and the Italian associations, to be represented in ADHO by the EADH? (Incidentally, the process that led at least one of these two associations to join EADH was far from transparent, as members were not publicly consulted.)
I'm aware of present ADHO's efforts to reflect in its committees a
power balance not just based on numbers, but that doesn't change the essence of the problem: inequality of representation. This inequality, unfortunately, it's a default condition of the present governance structure.
As I said and wrote many times, it is not acceptable that if I
represent a national group in Europe I could join ADHO only through EADH, but if I am Mexican or Canadian I can join directly. It is like saying that if Turkey wants to join the EU has to join before Romania or Hungary. I'm aware that absurdities like these have historical reasons. But we are here to change and make our history, not to be subjects of it. So I'm really sorry for those friends and colleagues who spent a considerable amount of time, and in same cases most of their lifes, building and strengthening organizations like EADH, but in fact the same existence of such 'constituent organizations' makes today not possible to speak about a democratically representative DH international organization. What seems more serious is that the current governance structure prevents other regional and national groups to join ADHO freely and on equal basis preconditions.
I think it is just a matter of time: things soon or later will change
also in DH, and new realities will substitute old ones. You may not agree with what I wrote so far, but what is clear is that present structures cannot accommodate the global explosion of DH. The sooner we'll realize this, the better for everyone.
Sorry for this lengthy reply.
Saluti a tutti
Domenico
Il 29/Nov/2015 13:56, "Øyvind Eide" lister@oeide.no ha scritto: Dear Domenico,
ADHO is an indirect democracy: there are six constituent organisations,
with (I think all of them) elected boards. These boards select voting members to the ADHO Steering Committee.
Whether such an indirect structure can be called democratic is a
question of how one defines democracy. But there are other organisations using a similar indirect structure that are claimed to be democratic.
Would you prefer to turn ADHO into an organisation with personal
membership and a Steering Committee elected on a one person-one vote basis?
Regards,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 06:38, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Hi Élika and everyone,
I just realized that I've inserted in the intercultural etc. document
some proposals and reflections that are quite general and concern also governance and other topics. Just feel free to move them around if you think they make any sense.
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss these issues in a
collective way. But the fact that ADHO can either accept or reject these suggestions reminds me of a situation similar to XVII-XVIII century Europe where kings and rulers could or could not accept the proposals made by elected or partially elected assemblies. So once again I like to call a spade a spade: ADHO it is not a democratic organization. We can put as much effort as we wish in drafting our proposals and pushing our requests, but the reality is that our action can be considered, in the best case, what constitutional experts would call a form of 'moral persuasion'.
So I'm afraid we are not still equal on this (digital humanities)
world.
Sorry for being out of line with this. But there is no other way to
defend democracy in these days except to start applying it.
Domenico Il 29/Nov/2015 06:46, "Élika Ortega" elikaortega@gmail.com ha
scritto:
Dear all,
This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on
Governance and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rL...
Please, feel free to add and comment.
All best, Élika
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell <
daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
Hi all,
Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John
Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
"The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to
establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related to
our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm...
http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of a
GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as
possible within those constraints.
To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly in
Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections:
• Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation (Leadeditor: Gimena del Rio)
• Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors:Alex Gil and Élika Ortega
• Best practice in inter-cultural language use andcommunication (Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide).
Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc
specifically for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute
in whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy.
Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these
topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
-dan
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Dear Sara and All,
I think Sara's comment about reviewers is both a practical issue but also a fundamental reflection of how deep or superficial the consequences of our initiatives are. Indeed, although CfP in many different languages looks and sounds good, and is most definitely a step forward, with no reviewers the step is tiny indeed. I also think that some of the discussions regarding 'who is entitled to be a reviewer' reflect more deep rooted prejudices - ie. for example, to be a reviewer in English there are one set of requirements and a proposal to be a reviewer in other languages had different requirements, not only language ones but some that seemed to be related to the 'quality' and 'knowledge' of the reviewer.
I would like to add to this discussion the issue of the publications that ADHO sponsors. I think that some discussions that are being had, again related to language and quality of research, should not be among a few, but rather open to a more public debate. What do we expect from our publications as ADHO members? As non-Anglo members (or English as a second language members), how do the different ADHO journals respond to our needs? Although some (not all) are in theory multi-lingual, do they *really* have the infrastructure to respond to multi-lingual needs? And if they don't, how can we help to make this a real possiblity?
Best,
Isabel
---------- Dra. Isabel Galina Russell Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliográficas, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) igalina@unam.mx @igalina
________________________________ De: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca en nombre de Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com Enviado: martes, 1 de diciembre de 2015 11:41 a. m. Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Thank you, Sara, for this background. Things are in transition right now and the question of recruiting language reviewers hinges more at this moment on whether the structures will be there to receive them. I think GO::DH could, in theory, expand the reviewer pool by a substantial amount if we set our energies to it, but I think there are tacit reasons why that massive recruitment effort hasn't happened. I personally think we still have work to do on the ADHO side (and to a lesser degree our own CO's) before I, again personally, go out on a campaign to bring in friends and friends of friends into the fold. You shrewdly notice though that some of us with reservations will do that work for Montreal and Mexico, and just in time, we hope, as some or all of our recommendations get implemented.
cheers, a.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Sara A. Schmidt <saschmidt8@gmail.commailto:saschmidt8@gmail.com> wrote: In response to Isabel's question "What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018?" I feel compelled to note that I sincerely hope the Montreal and Mexico City conferences will lead to more French and Spanish speakers volunteering to review for the DH conference.
As some of you may know, I set up accounts for reviewers in conftool back in the fall of 2006 and worked with a few Program Committee Chairs to add more reviewers paying particular attention to increasing the numbers of those willing to read the languages listed in the DH2007 and DH2008 cfps and particular attention to increasing the numbers of reviewers with expertise in certain subject areas where there was a need for additional reviewers. I'm still rather amazed that ADHO would list Chinese and Japanese in a cfp when they only had one reviewer willing and able to read those languages circa fall 2006 and Arabic when they didn't have a single reviewer capable of reading Arabic. Okay, technically the cfp did state that authors were supposed to provide an English language translation of their abstracts, but as I would have anticipated not everyone noted that they were supposed to provide an English translation. Consequently the DH2007 PC Chair ended up needing to have some Russian abstracts translated by a member of the PC Committee because he not only didn't have enough reviewers capable of reading Russian circa fall 2006, he also didn't know which reviewers could read Russian.
While I did manage to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read languages other than English and to add information regarding languages reviewers were willing to read into conftool abet in a less than ideal way, there was still a need for far more work to be done in my opinion. While I know ADHO has since moved to issuing open calls for reviewers, my witnessing one while still working on the database suggested to me that open calls work to increase the number of individuals in the same country as the PC Chair (since they are more likely to see and respond to the call as soon as it is sent out) and the number of North Americans (since there a number of North Americans who will tweet and retweet the calls for reviewers so they reach their North American colleagues).
My understanding is that there should be an open call for reviewers before the next conference. I would strongly encourage members of the GO:DH community to share that call with their colleagues especially those colleagues who would be willing to read abstracts in any languages other than English. Even if a particular language isn't listed in the cfp for DH2016, there is always a chance that someone might turn in an abstract dealing with texts in that particular language and in my opinion it would be very helpful for the PC Chair to have the opportunity to assign the abstract to at least one reviewer who can read that language. I also honestly believe that having a more linguistically and culturally diverse pool of reviewers is very beneficial for the conference.
I would also note that I know in the pre-DH2007 period there was a willingness to allow reviewers to volunteer to review abstracts in languages other than English without requiring them to review English language abstracts. I wish the powers that be were still allowing this as I feel it might be easier to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read certain languages if one allowed them to choose to only read abstracts in their first language. There also was a willingness to let reviewers provide comments for authors in the language the abstract was submitted in as long as they also provided some feedback for the PC in English as well.
Sara Schmidt
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:46 PM, igalina <igalina@unam.mxmailto:igalina@unam.mx> wrote: Dear All, I would like to join in and celebrate the fact that you invited us all to contribute to the document. I am sorry that due to the short time span and personal workload I was unable to contribute to the document.
I think there is a general agreement that the AHDO structure is currently not flexible or inclusive enough and recent episodes are a reflection of this. I am not quite sure though what I would like ADHO to look like and how it should function. At present there seems to be a division between a national/regional approach and a linguistic one (sometimes they are the same but not always). As it stands currently the structure doesn't make much sense, and it doesn't seem very fair in terms of decision making. However, I think that the groups, in particular this one, are in place for us to have discussions about this. The RedHD is not a CO or part of a CO. Where do we fit in in all of this? What are the different options for participating? How do we relate not only to ADHO but to other DH associations both official and 'un-official' or emerging? What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018? I think that one of the most important issues, regardless of how one becomes associated to ADHO, is how the agenda is decided and discussed. Association should not mean assimilation. Sorry if my ideas are not very developed but I did want to write and say how important I think this discussion is. Best, Isabel
---------- Dra. Isabel Galina Russell Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliográficas, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) igalina@unam.mxmailto:igalina@unam.mx @igalina
________________________________________ De: globaloutlookdh-l <globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.camailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca> en nombre de Øyvind Eide <lister@oeide.nomailto:lister@oeide.no> Enviado: domingo, 29 de noviembre de 2015 02:28 p. m. Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Dear Domenico,
Thank you for a clear and thorough reply. We may not agree on all aspects of history, nor on the details of the best (least bad) future organisation (should the power of Iceland be the same as the power of China? Maybe that is the least bad we can do), but I think we agree that ADHO must change into something easier to manage and more representative and inclusive. My take on this is to see what comes out of the current process for simplifying the structure of ADHO. If that indeed makes it better it gives us a starting point for further development and changes.
ADHO is a tool which is only meaningful as long as it makes sense to us, it should never become a goal in itself. For those working within the system that is always important to remember, it is so easy to make our tools our goals. For me ADHO still makes sense. We do good things with it and it is a place to meet.
I also believe that the free software concept of “gjørokrati” (do-ocracy in English?) is one aspect -- those who are willing to do work gets more influence. It has to be checked and limited by other bases for power, though.
Ha en fin kveld,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 20:51, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Dear Øyvind and everyone,
my observations referred initially to the quality and nature of the decision-making process that will lead ADHO to accept or not our suggestions. Then I extended my observations, in my usual polemic style, to ADHO political and institutional settings as a whole. I'm delighted to answer your question, but I would like to know if you think that spending hours on these proposals knowing that ADHO has no obligation to accept any of them is a part of a democratic exercise. Of course I believe it is better than nothing. But even octroyées constitutions were better than absolutism.
What I would prefer for our community is not a mystery and you can find it in dozens of articles, blog posts, emails, etc. I made public in the last fifteen years. What I think we need is a federation of national associations. Isn't that simple? Not perfect, of course, but a step forward.
I know that an elective political system is just one of the several features that defines and constitutes a democratic system. But what you call indirect democracy derives from the intrinsic limits of the ADHO initial project, i.e. to create an umbrella organization for what was already there -- at least in the visible horizon of a prevalently Anglophone community. I don't think that in those times it was a bad idea or that ADHO has done nothing so far to be more inclusive. However, that original bias remained. The structure was created to include existent associations (although recently the new Australasian association joined ADHO reaffirming the Anglophone majority). Other national European associations, like the Italian AIUCD and the German DDH, joined ADHO through the EADH. The result is that both the presence and the influence of Italian and German communities are in principle diluted comparing to other national communities. And how about the French and Spanish associations? Do we think these two communities will accept, like the German and the Italian associations, to be represented in ADHO by the EADH? (Incidentally, the process that led at least one of these two associations to join EADH was far from transparent, as members were not publicly consulted.)
I'm aware of present ADHO's efforts to reflect in its committees a power balance not just based on numbers, but that doesn't change the essence of the problem: inequality of representation. This inequality, unfortunately, it's a default condition of the present governance structure.
As I said and wrote many times, it is not acceptable that if I represent a national group in Europe I could join ADHO only through EADH, but if I am Mexican or Canadian I can join directly. It is like saying that if Turkey wants to join the EU has to join before Romania or Hungary. I'm aware that absurdities like these have historical reasons. But we are here to change and make our history, not to be subjects of it. So I'm really sorry for those friends and colleagues who spent a considerable amount of time, and in same cases most of their lifes, building and strengthening organizations like EADH, but in fact the same existence of such 'constituent organizations' makes today not possible to speak about a democratically representative DH international organization. What seems more serious is that the current governance structure prevents other regional and national groups to join ADHO freely and on equal basis preconditions.
I think it is just a matter of time: things soon or later will change also in DH, and new realities will substitute old ones. You may not agree with what I wrote so far, but what is clear is that present structures cannot accommodate the global explosion of DH. The sooner we'll realize this, the better for everyone.
Sorry for this lengthy reply.
Saluti a tutti
Domenico
Il 29/Nov/2015 13:56, "Øyvind Eide" <lister@oeide.nomailto:lister@oeide.no> ha scritto: Dear Domenico,
ADHO is an indirect democracy: there are six constituent organisations, with (I think all of them) elected boards. These boards select voting members to the ADHO Steering Committee.
Whether such an indirect structure can be called democratic is a question of how one defines democracy. But there are other organisations using a similar indirect structure that are claimed to be democratic.
Would you prefer to turn ADHO into an organisation with personal membership and a Steering Committee elected on a one person-one vote basis?
Regards,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 06:38, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Hi Élika and everyone,
I just realized that I've inserted in the intercultural etc. document some proposals and reflections that are quite general and concern also governance and other topics. Just feel free to move them around if you think they make any sense.
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss these issues in a collective way. But the fact that ADHO can either accept or reject these suggestions reminds me of a situation similar to XVII-XVIII century Europe where kings and rulers could or could not accept the proposals made by elected or partially elected assemblies. So once again I like to call a spade a spade: ADHO it is not a democratic organization. We can put as much effort as we wish in drafting our proposals and pushing our requests, but the reality is that our action can be considered, in the best case, what constitutional experts would call a form of 'moral persuasion'. So I'm afraid we are not still equal on this (digital humanities) world.
Sorry for being out of line with this. But there is no other way to defend democracy in these days except to start applying it.
Domenico Il 29/Nov/2015 06:46, "Élika Ortega" <elikaortega@gmail.commailto:elikaortega@gmail.com> ha scritto: Dear all,
This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on Governance and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rL...
Please, feel free to add and comment.
All best, Élika
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell@uleth.camailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote: Hi all,
Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
"The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related to our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm... http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of a GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as possible within those constraints.
To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly in Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections: • Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation (Lead editor: Gimena del Rio) • Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors: Alex Gil and Élika Ortega • Best practice in inter-cultural language use and communication (Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide). Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc specifically for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute in whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy.
Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
-dan
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Dear Isabel and all,
The latest few emails in this thread, and the deeply thought out response document for Karina and the SC, have led me to wonder whether it would be possible to compile a document explaining to scholars the differences in academic language among different communities, whether separated by language, nationality, world region, or other factors. I don't feel qualified to lead such an effort, though would certainly try to contribute to it. But it seems like maybe an appropriate project for GO::DH?
Please forgive me if someone has already written about this. I've tried to keep up with the list, but have not been entirely successful, especially of late.
-Vika
Not that I'm aware of.
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015, 08:06 Vika Zafrin vzafrin@bu.edu wrote:
Dear Isabel and all,
The latest few emails in this thread, and the deeply thought out response document for Karina and the SC, have led me to wonder whether it would be possible to compile a document explaining to scholars the differences in academic language among different communities, whether separated by language, nationality, world region, or other factors. I don't feel qualified to lead such an effort, though would certainly try to contribute to it. But it seems like maybe an appropriate project for GO::DH?
Please forgive me if someone has already written about this. I've tried to keep up with the list, but have not been entirely successful, especially of late.
-Vika
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igalina wrote:
Dear Sara and All,
I think Sara's comment about reviewers is both a practical issue but also a fundamental reflection of how deep or superficial the consequences of our initiatives are. Indeed, although CfP in many different languages looks and sounds good, and is most definitely a step forward, with no reviewers the step is tiny indeed. I also think that some of the discussions regarding 'who is entitled to be a reviewer' reflect more deep rooted prejudices - ie. for example, to be a reviewer in English there are one set of requirements and a proposal to be a reviewer in other languages had different requirements, not only language ones but some that seemed to be related to the 'quality' and 'knowledge' of the reviewer.
I would like to add to this discussion the issue of the publications that ADHO sponsors. I think that some discussions that are being had, again related to language and quality of research, should not be among a few, but rather open to a more public debate. What do we expect from our publications as ADHO members? As non-Anglo members (or English as a second language members), how do the different ADHO journals respond to our needs? Although some (not all) are in theory multi-lingual, do they *really* have the infrastructure to respond to multi-lingual needs? And if they don't, how can we help to make this a real possiblity?
Best,
Isabel
Dra. Isabel Galina Russell Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliográficas, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) igalina@unam.mx @igalina
*De:* globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca en nombre de Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com colibri.alex@gmail.com *Enviado:* martes, 1 de diciembre de 2015 11:41 a. m. *Para:* A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community *Asunto:* Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Thank you, Sara, for this background. Things are in transition right now and the question of recruiting language reviewers hinges more at this moment on whether the structures will be there to receive them. I think GO::DH could, in theory, expand the reviewer pool by a substantial amount if we set our energies to it, but I think there are tacit reasons why that massive recruitment effort hasn't happened. I *personally* think we still have work to do on the ADHO side (and to a lesser degree our own CO's) before I, again *personally*, go out on a campaign to bring in friends and friends of friends into the fold. You shrewdly notice though that some of us with reservations will do that work for Montreal and Mexico, and *just in time*, we hope, as some or all of our recommendations get implemented.
cheers, a.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Sara A. Schmidt saschmidt8@gmail.com wrote:
In response to Isabel's question "What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018?" I feel compelled to note that I sincerely hope the Montreal and Mexico City conferences will lead to more French and Spanish speakers volunteering to review for the DH conference.
As some of you may know, I set up accounts for reviewers in conftool back in the fall of 2006 and worked with a few Program Committee Chairs to add more reviewers paying particular attention to increasing the numbers of those willing to read the languages listed in the DH2007 and DH2008 cfps and particular attention to increasing the numbers of reviewers with expertise in certain subject areas where there was a need for additional reviewers. I'm still rather amazed that ADHO would list Chinese and Japanese in a cfp when they only had one reviewer willing and able to read those languages circa fall 2006 and Arabic when they didn't have a single reviewer capable of reading Arabic. Okay, technically the cfp did state that authors were supposed to provide an English language translation of their abstracts, but as I would have anticipated not everyone noted that they were supposed to provide an English translation. Consequently the DH2007 PC Chair ended up needing to have some Russian abstracts translated by a member of the PC Committee because he not only didn't have enough reviewers capable of reading Russian circa fall 2006, he also didn't know which reviewers could read Russian.
While I did manage to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read languages other than English and to add information regarding languages reviewers were willing to read into conftool abet in a less than ideal way, there was still a need for far more work to be done in my opinion. While I know ADHO has since moved to issuing open calls for reviewers, my witnessing one while still working on the database suggested to me that open calls work to increase the number of individuals in the same country as the PC Chair (since they are more likely to see and respond to the call as soon as it is sent out) and the number of North Americans (since there a number of North Americans who will tweet and retweet the calls for reviewers so they reach their North American colleagues).
My understanding is that there should be an open call for reviewers before the next conference. I would strongly encourage members of the GO:DH community to share that call with their colleagues especially those colleagues who would be willing to read abstracts in any languages other than English. Even if a particular language isn't listed in the cfp for DH2016, there is always a chance that someone might turn in an abstract dealing with texts in that particular language and in my opinion it would be very helpful for the PC Chair to have the opportunity to assign the abstract to at least one reviewer who can read that language. I also honestly believe that having a more linguistically and culturally diverse pool of reviewers is very beneficial for the conference.
I would also note that I know in the pre-DH2007 period there was a willingness to allow reviewers to volunteer to review abstracts in languages other than English without requiring them to review English language abstracts. I wish the powers that be were still allowing this as I feel it might be easier to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read certain languages if one allowed them to choose to only read abstracts in their first language. There also was a willingness to let reviewers provide comments for authors in the language the abstract was submitted in as long as they also provided some feedback for the PC in English as well.
Sara Schmidt
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:46 PM, igalina igalina@unam.mx wrote:
Dear All, I would like to join in and celebrate the fact that you invited us all to contribute to the document. I am sorry that due to the short time span and personal workload I was unable to contribute to the document.
I think there is a general agreement that the AHDO structure is currently not flexible or inclusive enough and recent episodes are a reflection of this. I am not quite sure though what I would like ADHO to look like and how it should function. At present there seems to be a division between a national/regional approach and a linguistic one (sometimes they are the same but not always). As it stands currently the structure doesn't make much sense, and it doesn't seem very fair in terms of decision making. However, I think that the groups, in particular this one, are in place for us to have discussions about this. The RedHD is not a CO or part of a CO. Where do we fit in in all of this? What are the different options for participating? How do we relate not only to ADHO but to other DH associations both official and 'un-official' or emerging? What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018? I think that one of the most important issues, regardless of how one becomes associated to ADHO, is how the agenda is decided and discussed. Association should not mean assimilation. Sorry if my ideas are not very developed but I did want to write and say how important I think this discussion is. Best, Isabel
Dra. Isabel Galina Russell Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliográficas, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) igalina@unam.mx @igalina
De: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca en nombre de Øyvind Eide lister@oeide.no Enviado: domingo, 29 de noviembre de 2015 02:28 p. m. Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Dear Domenico,
Thank you for a clear and thorough reply. We may not agree on all aspects of history, nor on the details of the best (least bad) future organisation (should the power of Iceland be the same as the power of China? Maybe that is the least bad we can do), but I think we agree that ADHO must change into something easier to manage and more representative and inclusive. My take on this is to see what comes out of the current process for simplifying the structure of ADHO. If that indeed makes it better it gives us a starting point for further development and changes.
ADHO is a tool which is only meaningful as long as it makes sense to us, it should never become a goal in itself. For those working within the system that is always important to remember, it is so easy to make our tools our goals. For me ADHO still makes sense. We do good things with it and it is a place to meet.
I also believe that the free software concept of “gjørokrati” (do-ocracy in English?) is one aspect -- those who are willing to do work gets more influence. It has to be checked and limited by other bases for power, though.
Ha en fin kveld,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 20:51, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Dear Øyvind and everyone,
my observations referred initially to the quality and nature of the
decision-making process that will lead ADHO to accept or not our suggestions. Then I extended my observations, in my usual polemic style, to ADHO political and institutional settings as a whole. I'm delighted to answer your question, but I would like to know if you think that spending hours on these proposals knowing that ADHO has no obligation to accept any of them is a part of a democratic exercise. Of course I believe it is better than nothing. But even octroyées constitutions were better than absolutism.
What I would prefer for our community is not a mystery and you can
find it in dozens of articles, blog posts, emails, etc. I made public in the last fifteen years. What I think we need is a federation of national associations.
Isn't that simple? Not perfect, of course, but a step forward.
I know that an elective political system is just one of the several
features that defines and constitutes a democratic system. But what you call indirect democracy derives from the intrinsic limits of the ADHO initial project, i.e. to create an umbrella organization for what was already there -- at least in the visible horizon of a prevalently Anglophone community. I don't think that in those times it was a bad idea or that ADHO has done nothing so far to be more inclusive. However, that original bias remained. The structure was created to include existent associations (although recently the new Australasian association joined ADHO reaffirming the Anglophone majority). Other national European associations, like the Italian AIUCD and the German DDH, joined ADHO through the EADH. The result is that both the presence and the influence of Italian and German communities are in principle diluted comparing to other national communities.
And how about the French and Spanish associations? Do we think these
two communities will accept, like the German and the Italian associations, to be represented in ADHO by the EADH? (Incidentally, the process that led at least one of these two associations to join EADH was far from transparent, as members were not publicly consulted.)
I'm aware of present ADHO's efforts to reflect in its committees a
power balance not just based on numbers, but that doesn't change the essence of the problem: inequality of representation. This inequality, unfortunately, it's a default condition of the present governance structure.
As I said and wrote many times, it is not acceptable that if I
represent a national group in Europe I could join ADHO only through EADH, but if I am Mexican or Canadian I can join directly. It is like saying that if Turkey wants to join the EU has to join before Romania or Hungary. I'm aware that absurdities like these have historical reasons. But we are here to change and make our history, not to be subjects of it. So I'm really sorry for those friends and colleagues who spent a considerable amount of time, and in same cases most of their lifes, building and strengthening organizations like EADH, but in fact the same existence of such 'constituent organizations' makes today not possible to speak about a democratically representative DH international organization. What seems more serious is that the current governance structure prevents other regional and national groups to join ADHO freely and on equal basis preconditions.
I think it is just a matter of time: things soon or later will change
also in DH, and new realities will substitute old ones. You may not agree with what I wrote so far, but what is clear is that present structures cannot accommodate the global explosion of DH. The sooner we'll realize this, the better for everyone.
Sorry for this lengthy reply.
Saluti a tutti
Domenico
Il 29/Nov/2015 13:56, "Øyvind Eide" lister@oeide.no ha scritto: Dear Domenico,
ADHO is an indirect democracy: there are six constituent
organisations, with (I think all of them) elected boards. These boards select voting members to the ADHO Steering Committee.
Whether such an indirect structure can be called democratic is a
question of how one defines democracy. But there are other organisations using a similar indirect structure that are claimed to be democratic.
Would you prefer to turn ADHO into an organisation with personal
membership and a Steering Committee elected on a one person-one vote basis?
Regards,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 06:38, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Hi Élika and everyone,
I just realized that I've inserted in the intercultural etc.
document some proposals and reflections that are quite general and concern also governance and other topics. Just feel free to move them around if you think they make any sense.
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss these issues in a
collective way. But the fact that ADHO can either accept or reject these suggestions reminds me of a situation similar to XVII-XVIII century Europe where kings and rulers could or could not accept the proposals made by elected or partially elected assemblies. So once again I like to call a spade a spade: ADHO it is not a democratic organization. We can put as much effort as we wish in drafting our proposals and pushing our requests, but the reality is that our action can be considered, in the best case, what constitutional experts would call a form of 'moral persuasion'.
So I'm afraid we are not still equal on this (digital humanities)
world.
Sorry for being out of line with this. But there is no other way to
defend democracy in these days except to start applying it.
Domenico Il 29/Nov/2015 06:46, "Élika Ortega" elikaortega@gmail.com ha
scritto:
Dear all,
This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on
Governance and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rL...
Please, feel free to add and comment.
All best, Élika
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell <
daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
Hi all,
Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John
Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
"The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to
establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related to
our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm...
http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of a
GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as
possible within those constraints.
To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly in
Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections:
• Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation(Lead editor: Gimena del Rio)
• Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors:Alex Gil and Élika Ortega
• Best practice in inter-cultural language use andcommunication (Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide).
Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc
specifically for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute
in whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy.
Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these
topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
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Yes to Igalina's comment. She said more clearly than I could what I meant by structures being ready. In any case, the most important structure that needs to be ready is the reception of reviewers on equal footing. The issue of opening large decisions to democratic approval I think is *key* and rhymes well with Domenico's earlier comments to have more democracy, less hierarchy. ACH had a great initiative a few years ago to open the vote to the membership for issues they cared about. They called this Open Agenda Setting http://ach.org/activities/open-agenda-setting-2012/. I don't see how large decisions revolving language, culture and participation globally could not be opened up in this way. If all goes well, the hierarchy should be strictly administrative, not political.
To Vika's question, can you clarify a bit more, Vika, what you mean?
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Daniel O'Donnell daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote:
Not that I'm aware of.
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015, 08:06 Vika Zafrin vzafrin@bu.edu wrote:
Dear Isabel and all,
The latest few emails in this thread, and the deeply thought out response document for Karina and the SC, have led me to wonder whether it would be possible to compile a document explaining to scholars the differences in academic language among different communities, whether separated by language, nationality, world region, or other factors. I don't feel qualified to lead such an effort, though would certainly try to contribute to it. But it seems like maybe an appropriate project for GO::DH?
Please forgive me if someone has already written about this. I've tried to keep up with the list, but have not been entirely successful, especially of late.
-Vika
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igalina wrote:
Dear Sara and All,
I think Sara's comment about reviewers is both a practical issue but also a fundamental reflection of how deep or superficial the consequences of our initiatives are. Indeed, although CfP in many different languages looks and sounds good, and is most definitely a step forward, with no reviewers the step is tiny indeed. I also think that some of the discussions regarding 'who is entitled to be a reviewer' reflect more deep rooted prejudices - ie. for example, to be a reviewer in English there are one set of requirements and a proposal to be a reviewer in other languages had different requirements, not only language ones but some that seemed to be related to the 'quality' and 'knowledge' of the reviewer.
I would like to add to this discussion the issue of the publications that ADHO sponsors. I think that some discussions that are being had, again related to language and quality of research, should not be among a few, but rather open to a more public debate. What do we expect from our publications as ADHO members? As non-Anglo members (or English as a second language members), how do the different ADHO journals respond to our needs? Although some (not all) are in theory multi-lingual, do they *really* have the infrastructure to respond to multi-lingual needs? And if they don't, how can we help to make this a real possiblity?
Best,
Isabel
Dra. Isabel Galina Russell Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliográficas, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) igalina@unam.mx @igalina
*De:* globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca en nombre de Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com colibri.alex@gmail.com *Enviado:* martes, 1 de diciembre de 2015 11:41 a. m. *Para:* A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community *Asunto:* Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Thank you, Sara, for this background. Things are in transition right now and the question of recruiting language reviewers hinges more at this moment on whether the structures will be there to receive them. I think GO::DH could, in theory, expand the reviewer pool by a substantial amount if we set our energies to it, but I think there are tacit reasons why that massive recruitment effort hasn't happened. I *personally* think we still have work to do on the ADHO side (and to a lesser degree our own CO's) before I, again *personally*, go out on a campaign to bring in friends and friends of friends into the fold. You shrewdly notice though that some of us with reservations will do that work for Montreal and Mexico, and *just in time*, we hope, as some or all of our recommendations get implemented.
cheers, a.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Sara A. Schmidt saschmidt8@gmail.com wrote:
In response to Isabel's question "What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018?" I feel compelled to note that I sincerely hope the Montreal and Mexico City conferences will lead to more French and Spanish speakers volunteering to review for the DH conference.
As some of you may know, I set up accounts for reviewers in conftool back in the fall of 2006 and worked with a few Program Committee Chairs to add more reviewers paying particular attention to increasing the numbers of those willing to read the languages listed in the DH2007 and DH2008 cfps and particular attention to increasing the numbers of reviewers with expertise in certain subject areas where there was a need for additional reviewers. I'm still rather amazed that ADHO would list Chinese and Japanese in a cfp when they only had one reviewer willing and able to read those languages circa fall 2006 and Arabic when they didn't have a single reviewer capable of reading Arabic. Okay, technically the cfp did state that authors were supposed to provide an English language translation of their abstracts, but as I would have anticipated not everyone noted that they were supposed to provide an English translation. Consequently the DH2007 PC Chair ended up needing to have some Russian abstracts translated by a member of the PC Committee because he not only didn't have enough reviewers capable of reading Russian circa fall 2006, he also didn't know which reviewers could read Russian.
While I did manage to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read languages other than English and to add information regarding languages reviewers were willing to read into conftool abet in a less than ideal way, there was still a need for far more work to be done in my opinion. While I know ADHO has since moved to issuing open calls for reviewers, my witnessing one while still working on the database suggested to me that open calls work to increase the number of individuals in the same country as the PC Chair (since they are more likely to see and respond to the call as soon as it is sent out) and the number of North Americans (since there a number of North Americans who will tweet and retweet the calls for reviewers so they reach their North American colleagues).
My understanding is that there should be an open call for reviewers before the next conference. I would strongly encourage members of the GO:DH community to share that call with their colleagues especially those colleagues who would be willing to read abstracts in any languages other than English. Even if a particular language isn't listed in the cfp for DH2016, there is always a chance that someone might turn in an abstract dealing with texts in that particular language and in my opinion it would be very helpful for the PC Chair to have the opportunity to assign the abstract to at least one reviewer who can read that language. I also honestly believe that having a more linguistically and culturally diverse pool of reviewers is very beneficial for the conference.
I would also note that I know in the pre-DH2007 period there was a willingness to allow reviewers to volunteer to review abstracts in languages other than English without requiring them to review English language abstracts. I wish the powers that be were still allowing this as I feel it might be easier to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read certain languages if one allowed them to choose to only read abstracts in their first language. There also was a willingness to let reviewers provide comments for authors in the language the abstract was submitted in as long as they also provided some feedback for the PC in English as well.
Sara Schmidt
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:46 PM, igalina igalina@unam.mx wrote:
Dear All, I would like to join in and celebrate the fact that you invited us all to contribute to the document. I am sorry that due to the short time span and personal workload I was unable to contribute to the document.
I think there is a general agreement that the AHDO structure is currently not flexible or inclusive enough and recent episodes are a reflection of this. I am not quite sure though what I would like ADHO to look like and how it should function. At present there seems to be a division between a national/regional approach and a linguistic one (sometimes they are the same but not always). As it stands currently the structure doesn't make much sense, and it doesn't seem very fair in terms of decision making. However, I think that the groups, in particular this one, are in place for us to have discussions about this. The RedHD is not a CO or part of a CO. Where do we fit in in all of this? What are the different options for participating? How do we relate not only to ADHO but to other DH associations both official and 'un-official' or emerging? What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018? I think that one of the most important issues, regardless of how one becomes associated to ADHO, is how the agenda is decided and discussed. Association should not mean assimilation. Sorry if my ideas are not very developed but I did want to write and say how important I think this discussion is. Best, Isabel
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De: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca en nombre de Øyvind Eide lister@oeide.no Enviado: domingo, 29 de noviembre de 2015 02:28 p. m. Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Dear Domenico,
Thank you for a clear and thorough reply. We may not agree on all aspects of history, nor on the details of the best (least bad) future organisation (should the power of Iceland be the same as the power of China? Maybe that is the least bad we can do), but I think we agree that ADHO must change into something easier to manage and more representative and inclusive. My take on this is to see what comes out of the current process for simplifying the structure of ADHO. If that indeed makes it better it gives us a starting point for further development and changes.
ADHO is a tool which is only meaningful as long as it makes sense to us, it should never become a goal in itself. For those working within the system that is always important to remember, it is so easy to make our tools our goals. For me ADHO still makes sense. We do good things with it and it is a place to meet.
I also believe that the free software concept of “gjørokrati” (do-ocracy in English?) is one aspect -- those who are willing to do work gets more influence. It has to be checked and limited by other bases for power, though.
Ha en fin kveld,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 20:51, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Dear Øyvind and everyone,
my observations referred initially to the quality and nature of the
decision-making process that will lead ADHO to accept or not our suggestions. Then I extended my observations, in my usual polemic style, to ADHO political and institutional settings as a whole. I'm delighted to answer your question, but I would like to know if you think that spending hours on these proposals knowing that ADHO has no obligation to accept any of them is a part of a democratic exercise. Of course I believe it is better than nothing. But even octroyées constitutions were better than absolutism.
What I would prefer for our community is not a mystery and you can
find it in dozens of articles, blog posts, emails, etc. I made public in the last fifteen years. What I think we need is a federation of national associations.
Isn't that simple? Not perfect, of course, but a step forward.
I know that an elective political system is just one of the several
features that defines and constitutes a democratic system. But what you call indirect democracy derives from the intrinsic limits of the ADHO initial project, i.e. to create an umbrella organization for what was already there -- at least in the visible horizon of a prevalently Anglophone community. I don't think that in those times it was a bad idea or that ADHO has done nothing so far to be more inclusive. However, that original bias remained. The structure was created to include existent associations (although recently the new Australasian association joined ADHO reaffirming the Anglophone majority). Other national European associations, like the Italian AIUCD and the German DDH, joined ADHO through the EADH. The result is that both the presence and the influence of Italian and German communities are in principle diluted comparing to other national communities.
And how about the French and Spanish associations? Do we think these
two communities will accept, like the German and the Italian associations, to be represented in ADHO by the EADH? (Incidentally, the process that led at least one of these two associations to join EADH was far from transparent, as members were not publicly consulted.)
I'm aware of present ADHO's efforts to reflect in its committees a
power balance not just based on numbers, but that doesn't change the essence of the problem: inequality of representation. This inequality, unfortunately, it's a default condition of the present governance structure.
As I said and wrote many times, it is not acceptable that if I
represent a national group in Europe I could join ADHO only through EADH, but if I am Mexican or Canadian I can join directly. It is like saying that if Turkey wants to join the EU has to join before Romania or Hungary. I'm aware that absurdities like these have historical reasons. But we are here to change and make our history, not to be subjects of it. So I'm really sorry for those friends and colleagues who spent a considerable amount of time, and in same cases most of their lifes, building and strengthening organizations like EADH, but in fact the same existence of such 'constituent organizations' makes today not possible to speak about a democratically representative DH international organization. What seems more serious is that the current governance structure prevents other regional and national groups to join ADHO freely and on equal basis preconditions.
I think it is just a matter of time: things soon or later will change
also in DH, and new realities will substitute old ones. You may not agree with what I wrote so far, but what is clear is that present structures cannot accommodate the global explosion of DH. The sooner we'll realize this, the better for everyone.
Sorry for this lengthy reply.
Saluti a tutti
Domenico
Il 29/Nov/2015 13:56, "Øyvind Eide" lister@oeide.no ha scritto: Dear Domenico,
ADHO is an indirect democracy: there are six constituent
organisations, with (I think all of them) elected boards. These boards select voting members to the ADHO Steering Committee.
Whether such an indirect structure can be called democratic is a
question of how one defines democracy. But there are other organisations using a similar indirect structure that are claimed to be democratic.
Would you prefer to turn ADHO into an organisation with personal
membership and a Steering Committee elected on a one person-one vote basis?
Regards,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 06:38, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Hi Élika and everyone,
I just realized that I've inserted in the intercultural etc.
document some proposals and reflections that are quite general and concern also governance and other topics. Just feel free to move them around if you think they make any sense.
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss these issues in a
collective way. But the fact that ADHO can either accept or reject these suggestions reminds me of a situation similar to XVII-XVIII century Europe where kings and rulers could or could not accept the proposals made by elected or partially elected assemblies. So once again I like to call a spade a spade: ADHO it is not a democratic organization. We can put as much effort as we wish in drafting our proposals and pushing our requests, but the reality is that our action can be considered, in the best case, what constitutional experts would call a form of 'moral persuasion'.
So I'm afraid we are not still equal on this (digital humanities)
world.
Sorry for being out of line with this. But there is no other way to
defend democracy in these days except to start applying it.
Domenico Il 29/Nov/2015 06:46, "Élika Ortega" elikaortega@gmail.com ha
scritto:
Dear all,
This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on
Governance and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rL...
Please, feel free to add and comment.
All best, Élika
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell <
daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
Hi all,
Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John
Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
"The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to
establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related
to our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm...
http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of
a GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as
possible within those constraints.
To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly
in Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections:
• Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation(Lead editor: Gimena del Rio)
• Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors:Alex Gil and Élika Ortega
• Best practice in inter-cultural language use andcommunication (Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide).
Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc
specifically for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute
in whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy.
Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these
topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
-dan
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To Vika's question, can you clarify a bit more, Vika, what you mean?
I'm not sure about the full extent of what I mean. But somewhere upthread someone mentioned aggressive vs supportive manners of engaging with a presenter, a cultural difference of which I've had a dim idea, but which I didn't consciously hold to be something that would—unspoken—exclude people from participating in an international discussion. It would be difficult to create a sensitive yet effective resource documenting some cross-cultural translation, but it may be worth the effort.
I'm thinking of something like:
- If you're from X, scholars from outside your culture may seem meek and ineffectual to you. If that's true for you, consider consciously making space for them in conversation. - If you're from Y, engaging with scholars from outside your culture may feel like a constant personal attack. If that's a pattern that's true for you, it may not be conscious; you might try to de-personalize it, or consider bringing it up to allies as an issue.
Or, further de-personalized: we've noticed some patterns, and we're compiling them here because we think awareness of them would be useful to moving the DH community toward true globalization. Scholarly cultures in X region seem considerably more aggressive in debate than they do in Y region. Etc.
-Vika
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Daniel O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca mailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
Not that I'm aware of. On Wed, Dec 2, 2015, 08:06 Vika Zafrin <vzafrin@bu.edu <mailto:vzafrin@bu.edu>> wrote: Dear Isabel and all, The latest few emails in this thread, and the deeply thought out response document for Karina and the SC, have led me to wonder whether it would be possible to compile a document explaining to scholars the differences in academic language among different communities, whether separated by language, nationality, world region, or other factors. I don't feel qualified to lead such an effort, though would certainly try to contribute to it. But it seems like maybe an appropriate project for GO::DH? Please forgive me if someone has already written about this. I've tried to keep up with the list, but have not been entirely successful, especially of late. -Vika -- Vika Zafrin Institutional Repository Librarian Boston University +1 617.358.6370 <tel:617.358.6370> | http://open.bu.edu/ igalina wrote:Dear Sara and All, I think Sara's comment about reviewers is both a practical issue but also a fundamental reflection of how deep or superficial the consequences of our initiatives are. Indeed, although CfP in many different languages looks and sounds good, and is most definitely a step forward, with no reviewers the step is tiny indeed. I also think that some of the discussions regarding 'who is entitled to be a reviewer' reflect more deep rooted prejudices - ie. for example, to be a reviewer in English there are one set of requirements and a proposal to be a reviewer in other languages had different requirements, not only language ones but some that seemed to be related to the 'quality' and 'knowledge' of the reviewer. I would like to add to this discussion the issue of the publications that ADHO sponsors. I think that some discussions that are being had, again related to language and quality of research, should not be among a few, but rather open to a more public debate. What do we expect from our publications as ADHO members? As non-Anglo members (or English as a second language members), how do the different ADHO journals respond to our needs? Although some (not all) are in theory multi-lingual, do they *really* have the infrastructure to respond to multi-lingual needs? And if they don't, how can we help to make this a real possiblity? Best, Isabel ---------- Dra. Isabel Galina Russell Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliográficas, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) igalina@unam.mx <mailto:igalina@unam.mx> @igalina ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *De:* globaloutlookdh-l <globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca> <mailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca> en nombre de Alex Gil <colibri.alex@gmail.com> <mailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com> *Enviado:* martes, 1 de diciembre de 2015 11:41 a. m. *Para:* A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community *Asunto:* Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication Thank you, Sara, for this background. Things are in transition right now and the question of recruiting language reviewers hinges more at this moment on whether the structures will be there to receive them. I think GO::DH could, in theory, expand the reviewer pool by a substantial amount if we set our energies to it, but I think there are tacit reasons why that massive recruitment effort hasn't happened. I /personally/ think we still have work to do on the ADHO side (and to a lesser degree our own CO's) before I, again /personally/, go out on a campaign to bring in friends and friends of friends into the fold. You shrewdly notice though that some of us with reservations will do that work for Montreal and Mexico, and /just in time/, we hope, as some or all of our recommendations get implemented. cheers, a. On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Sara A. Schmidt <saschmidt8@gmail.com <mailto:saschmidt8@gmail.com>> wrote: In response to Isabel's question "What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018?" I feel compelled to note that I sincerely hope the Montreal and Mexico City conferences will lead to more French and Spanish speakers volunteering to review for the DH conference. As some of you may know, I set up accounts for reviewers in conftool back in the fall of 2006 and worked with a few Program Committee Chairs to add more reviewers paying particular attention to increasing the numbers of those willing to read the languages listed in the DH2007 and DH2008 cfps and particular attention to increasing the numbers of reviewers with expertise in certain subject areas where there was a need for additional reviewers. I'm still rather amazed that ADHO would list Chinese and Japanese in a cfp when they only had one reviewer willing and able to read those languages circa fall 2006 and Arabic when they didn't have a single reviewer capable of reading Arabic. Okay, technically the cfp did state that authors were supposed to provide an English language translation of their abstracts, but as I would have anticipated not everyone noted that they were supposed to provide an English translation. Consequently the DH2007 PC Chair ended up needing to have some Russian abstracts translated by a member of the PC Committee because he not only didn't have enough reviewers capable of reading Russian circa fall 2006, he also didn't know which reviewers could read Russian. While I did manage to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read languages other than English and to add information regarding languages reviewers were willing to read into conftool abet in a less than ideal way, there was still a need for far more work to be done in my opinion. While I know ADHO has since moved to issuing open calls for reviewers, my witnessing one while still working on the database suggested to me that open calls work to increase the number of individuals in the same country as the PC Chair (since they are more likely to see and respond to the call as soon as it is sent out) and the number of North Americans (since there a number of North Americans who will tweet and retweet the calls for reviewers so they reach their North American colleagues). My understanding is that there should be an open call for reviewers before the next conference. I would strongly encourage members of the GO:DH community to share that call with their colleagues especially those colleagues who would be willing to read abstracts in any languages other than English. Even if a particular language isn't listed in the cfp for DH2016, there is always a chance that someone might turn in an abstract dealing with texts in that particular language and in my opinion it would be very helpful for the PC Chair to have the opportunity to assign the abstract to at least one reviewer who can read that language. I also honestly believe that having a more linguistically and culturally diverse pool of reviewers is very beneficial for the conference. I would also note that I know in the pre-DH2007 period there was a willingness to allow reviewers to volunteer to review abstracts in languages other than English without requiring them to review English language abstracts. I wish the powers that be were still allowing this as I feel it might be easier to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read certain languages if one allowed them to choose to only read abstracts in their first language. There also was a willingness to let reviewers provide comments for authors in the language the abstract was submitted in as long as they also provided some feedback for the PC in English as well. Sara Schmidt On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:46 PM, igalina <igalina@unam.mx <mailto:igalina@unam.mx>> wrote: Dear All, I would like to join in and celebrate the fact that you invited us all to contribute to the document. I am sorry that due to the short time span and personal workload I was unable to contribute to the document. I think there is a general agreement that the AHDO structure is currently not flexible or inclusive enough and recent episodes are a reflection of this. I am not quite sure though what I would like ADHO to look like and how it should function. At present there seems to be a division between a national/regional approach and a linguistic one (sometimes they are the same but not always). As it stands currently the structure doesn't make much sense, and it doesn't seem very fair in terms of decision making. However, I think that the groups, in particular this one, are in place for us to have discussions about this. The RedHD is not a CO or part of a CO. Where do we fit in in all of this? What are the different options for participating? How do we relate not only to ADHO but to other DH associations both official and 'un-official' or emerging? What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018? I think that one of the most important issues, regardless of how one becomes associated to ADHO, is how the agenda is decided and discussed. Association should not mean assimilation. Sorry if my ideas are not very developed but I did want to write and say how important I think this discussion is. Best, Isabel ---------- Dra. Isabel Galina Russell Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliográficas, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) igalina@unam.mx <mailto:igalina@unam.mx> @igalina ________________________________________ De: globaloutlookdh-l <globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca <mailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca>> en nombre de Øyvind Eide <lister@oeide.no <mailto:lister@oeide.no>> Enviado: domingo, 29 de noviembre de 2015 02:28 p. m. Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication Dear Domenico, Thank you for a clear and thorough reply. We may not agree on all aspects of history, nor on the details of the best (least bad) future organisation (should the power of Iceland be the same as the power of China? Maybe that is the least bad we can do), but I think we agree that ADHO must change into something easier to manage and more representative and inclusive. My take on this is to see what comes out of the current process for simplifying the structure of ADHO. If that indeed makes it better it gives us a starting point for further development and changes. ADHO is a tool which is only meaningful as long as it makes sense to us, it should never become a goal in itself. For those working within the system that is always important to remember, it is so easy to make our tools our goals. For me ADHO still makes sense. We do good things with it and it is a place to meet. I also believe that the free software concept of “gjørokrati” (do-ocracy in English?) is one aspect -- those who are willing to do work gets more influence. It has to be checked and limited by other bases for power, though. Ha en fin kveld, Øyvind On 29. nov. 2015, at 20:51, Domenico Fiormonte wrote: > Dear Øyvind and everyone, > > my observations referred initially to the quality and nature of the decision-making process that will lead ADHO to accept or not our suggestions. Then I extended my observations, in my usual polemic style, to ADHO political and institutional settings as a whole. I'm delighted to answer your question, but I would like to know if you think that spending hours on these proposals knowing that ADHO has no obligation to accept any of them is a part of a democratic exercise. Of course I believe it is better than nothing. But even octroyées constitutions were better than absolutism. > > What I would prefer for our community is not a mystery and you can find it in dozens of articles, blog posts, emails, etc. I made public in the last fifteen years. What I think we need is a federation of national associations. > Isn't that simple? Not perfect, of course, but a step forward. > > I know that an elective political system is just one of the several features that defines and constitutes a democratic system. But what you call indirect democracy derives from the intrinsic limits of the ADHO initial project, i.e. to create an umbrella organization for what was already there -- at least in the visible horizon of a prevalently Anglophone community. I don't think that in those times it was a bad idea or that ADHO has done nothing so far to be more inclusive. However, that original bias remained. The structure was created to include existent associations (although recently the new Australasian association joined ADHO reaffirming the Anglophone majority). Other national European associations, like the Italian AIUCD and the German DDH, joined ADHO through the EADH. The result is that both the presence and the influence of Italian and German communities are in principle diluted comparing to other national communities. > And how about the French and Spanish associations? Do we think these two communities will accept, like the German and the Italian associations, to be represented in ADHO by the EADH? (Incidentally, the process that led at least one of these two associations to join EADH was far from transparent, as members were not publicly consulted.) > > I'm aware of present ADHO's efforts to reflect in its committees a power balance not just based on numbers, but that doesn't change the essence of the problem: inequality of representation. This inequality, unfortunately, it's a default condition of the present governance structure. > > As I said and wrote many times, it is not acceptable that if I represent a national group in Europe I could join ADHO only through EADH, but if I am Mexican or Canadian I can join directly. It is like saying that if Turkey wants to join the EU has to join before Romania or Hungary. I'm aware that absurdities like these have historical reasons. But we are here to change and make our history, not to be subjects of it. So I'm really sorry for those friends and colleagues who spent a considerable amount of time, and in same cases most of their lifes, building and strengthening organizations like EADH, but in fact the same existence of such 'constituent organizations' makes today not possible to speak about a democratically representative DH international organization. What seems more serious is that the current governance structure prevents other regional and national groups to join ADHO freely and on equal basis preconditions. > > I think it is just a matter of time: things soon or later will change also in DH, and new realities will substitute old ones. You may not agree with what I wrote so far, but what is clear is that present structures cannot accommodate the global explosion of DH. The sooner we'll realize this, the better for everyone. > > Sorry for this lengthy reply. > > Saluti a tutti > > Domenico > > Il 29/Nov/2015 13:56, "Øyvind Eide" <lister@oeide.no <mailto:lister@oeide.no>> ha scritto: > Dear Domenico, > > ADHO is an indirect democracy: there are six constituent organisations, with (I think all of them) elected boards. These boards select voting members to the ADHO Steering Committee. > > Whether such an indirect structure can be called democratic is a question of how one defines democracy. But there are other organisations using a similar indirect structure that are claimed to be democratic. > > Would you prefer to turn ADHO into an organisation with personal membership and a Steering Committee elected on a one person-one vote basis? > > Regards, > > Øyvind > > On 29. nov. 2015, at 06:38, Domenico Fiormonte wrote: > > > Hi Élika and everyone, > > > > I just realized that I've inserted in the intercultural etc. document some proposals and reflections that are quite general and concern also governance and other topics. Just feel free to move them around if you think they make any sense. > > > > Thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss these issues in a collective way. But the fact that ADHO can either accept or reject these suggestions reminds me of a situation similar to XVII-XVIII century Europe where kings and rulers could or could not accept the proposals made by elected or partially elected assemblies. So once again I like to call a spade a spade: ADHO it is not a democratic organization. We can put as much effort as we wish in drafting our proposals and pushing our requests, but the reality is that our action can be considered, in the best case, what constitutional experts would call a form of 'moral persuasion'. > > So I'm afraid we are not still equal on this (digital humanities) world. > > > > Sorry for being out of line with this. But there is no other way to defend democracy in these days except to start applying it. > > > > Domenico > > Il 29/Nov/2015 06:46, "Élika Ortega" <elikaortega@gmail.com <mailto:elikaortega@gmail.com>> ha scritto: > > Dear all, > > > > This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on Governance and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared. > > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rLE-c/edit# > > > > Please, feel free to add and comment. > > > > All best, > > Élika > > > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca <mailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca>> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-chair). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication: > > > > "The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? " > > > > This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related to our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.html > > > > At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of a GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole. > > > > But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as possible within those constraints. > > > > To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly in Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections: > > • Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation (Lead editor: Gimena del Rio) > > • Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors: Alex Gil and Élika Ortega > > • Best practice in inter-cultural language use and communication (Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide). > > Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc specifically for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole). > > > > In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute in whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy. > > > > Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. 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While you're thinking about these issues, what about including thought about (dis)ability and gender? Heide
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________________________________ From: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca on behalf of Vika Zafrin vzafrin@bu.edu Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 12:44 PM To: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Alex Gil wrote: To Vika's question, can you clarify a bit more, Vika, what you mean? I'm not sure about the full extent of what I mean. But somewhere upthread someone mentioned aggressive vs supportive manners of engaging with a presenter, a cultural difference of which I've had a dim idea, but which I didn't consciously hold to be something that would—unspoken—exclude people from participating in an international discussion. It would be difficult to create a sensitive yet effective resource documenting some cross-cultural translation, but it may be worth the effort.
I'm thinking of something like:
- If you're from X, scholars from outside your culture may seem meek and ineffectual to you. If that's true for you, consider consciously making space for them in conversation. - If you're from Y, engaging with scholars from outside your culture may feel like a constant personal attack. If that's a pattern that's true for you, it may not be conscious; you might try to de-personalize it, or consider bringing it up to allies as an issue.
Or, further de-personalized: we've noticed some patterns, and we're compiling them here because we think awareness of them would be useful to moving the DH community toward true globalization. Scholarly cultures in X region seem considerably more aggressive in debate than they do in Y region. Etc.
-Vika
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Daniel O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell@uleth.camailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
Not that I'm aware of.
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015, 08:06 Vika Zafrin <vzafrin@bu.edumailto:vzafrin@bu.edu> wrote: Dear Isabel and all,
The latest few emails in this thread, and the deeply thought out response document for Karina and the SC, have led me to wonder whether it would be possible to compile a document explaining to scholars the differences in academic language among different communities, whether separated by language, nationality, world region, or other factors. I don't feel qualified to lead such an effort, though would certainly try to contribute to it. But it seems like maybe an appropriate project for GO::DH?
Please forgive me if someone has already written about this. I've tried to keep up with the list, but have not been entirely successful, especially of late.
-Vika
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igalina wrote:
Dear Sara and All,
I think Sara's comment about reviewers is both a practical issue but also a fundamental reflection of how deep or superficial the consequences of our initiatives are. Indeed, although CfP in many different languages looks and sounds good, and is most definitely a step forward, with no reviewers the step is tiny indeed. I also think that some of the discussions regarding 'who is entitled to be a reviewer' reflect more deep rooted prejudices - ie. for example, to be a reviewer in English there are one set of requirements and a proposal to be a reviewer in other languages had different requirements, not only language ones but some that seemed to be related to the 'quality' and 'knowledge' of the reviewer.
I would like to add to this discussion the issue of the publications that ADHO sponsors. I think that some discussions that are being had, again related to language and quality of research, should not be among a few, but rather open to a more public debate. What do we expect from our publications as ADHO members? As non-Anglo members (or English as a second language members), how do the different ADHO journals respond to our needs? Although some (not all) are in theory multi-lingual, do they *really* have the infrastructure to respond to multi-lingual needs? And if they don't, how can we help to make this a real possiblity?
Best,
Isabel
---------- Dra. Isabel Galina Russell Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliográficas, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) igalina@unam.mxmailto:igalina@unam.mx @igalina
________________________________ De: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.camailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca en nombre de Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.commailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com Enviado: martes, 1 de diciembre de 2015 11:41 a. m. Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Thank you, Sara, for this background. Things are in transition right now and the question of recruiting language reviewers hinges more at this moment on whether the structures will be there to receive them. I think GO::DH could, in theory, expand the reviewer pool by a substantial amount if we set our energies to it, but I think there are tacit reasons why that massive recruitment effort hasn't happened. I personally think we still have work to do on the ADHO side (and to a lesser degree our own CO's) before I, again personally, go out on a campaign to bring in friends and friends of friends into the fold. You shrewdly notice though that some of us with reservations will do that work for Montreal and Mexico, and just in time, we hope, as some or all of our recommendations get implemented.
cheers, a.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Sara A. Schmidt <saschmidt8@gmail.commailto:saschmidt8@gmail.com> wrote: In response to Isabel's question "What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018?" I feel compelled to note that I sincerely hope the Montreal and Mexico City conferences will lead to more French and Spanish speakers volunteering to review for the DH conference.
As some of you may know, I set up accounts for reviewers in conftool back in the fall of 2006 and worked with a few Program Committee Chairs to add more reviewers paying particular attention to increasing the numbers of those willing to read the languages listed in the DH2007 and DH2008 cfps and particular attention to increasing the numbers of reviewers with expertise in certain subject areas where there was a need for additional reviewers. I'm still rather amazed that ADHO would list Chinese and Japanese in a cfp when they only had one reviewer willing and able to read those languages circa fall 2006 and Arabic when they didn't have a single reviewer capable of reading Arabic. Okay, technically the cfp did state that authors were supposed to provide an English language translation of their abstracts, but as I would have anticipated not everyone noted that they were supposed to provide an English translation. Consequently the DH2007 PC Chair ended up needing to have some Russian abstracts translated by a member of the PC Committee because he not only didn't have enough reviewers capable of reading Russian circa fall 2006, he also didn't know which reviewers could read Russian.
While I did manage to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read languages other than English and to add information regarding languages reviewers were willing to read into conftool abet in a less than ideal way, there was still a need for far more work to be done in my opinion. While I know ADHO has since moved to issuing open calls for reviewers, my witnessing one while still working on the database suggested to me that open calls work to increase the number of individuals in the same country as the PC Chair (since they are more likely to see and respond to the call as soon as it is sent out) and the number of North Americans (since there a number of North Americans who will tweet and retweet the calls for reviewers so they reach their North American colleagues).
My understanding is that there should be an open call for reviewers before the next conference. I would strongly encourage members of the GO:DH community to share that call with their colleagues especially those colleagues who would be willing to read abstracts in any languages other than English. Even if a particular language isn't listed in the cfp for DH2016, there is always a chance that someone might turn in an abstract dealing with texts in that particular language and in my opinion it would be very helpful for the PC Chair to have the opportunity to assign the abstract to at least one reviewer who can read that language. I also honestly believe that having a more linguistically and culturally diverse pool of reviewers is very beneficial for the conference.
I would also note that I know in the pre-DH2007 period there was a willingness to allow reviewers to volunteer to review abstracts in languages other than English without requiring them to review English language abstracts. I wish the powers that be were still allowing this as I feel it might be easier to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read certain languages if one allowed them to choose to only read abstracts in their first language. There also was a willingness to let reviewers provide comments for authors in the language the abstract was submitted in as long as they also provided some feedback for the PC in English as well.
Sara Schmidt
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:46 PM, igalina <igalina@unam.mxmailto:igalina@unam.mx> wrote: Dear All, I would like to join in and celebrate the fact that you invited us all to contribute to the document. I am sorry that due to the short time span and personal workload I was unable to contribute to the document.
I think there is a general agreement that the AHDO structure is currently not flexible or inclusive enough and recent episodes are a reflection of this. I am not quite sure though what I would like ADHO to look like and how it should function. At present there seems to be a division between a national/regional approach and a linguistic one (sometimes they are the same but not always). As it stands currently the structure doesn't make much sense, and it doesn't seem very fair in terms of decision making. However, I think that the groups, in particular this one, are in place for us to have discussions about this. The RedHD is not a CO or part of a CO. Where do we fit in in all of this? What are the different options for participating? How do we relate not only to ADHO but to other DH associations both official and 'un-official' or emerging? What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018? I think that one of the most important issues, regardless of how one becomes associated to ADHO, is how the agenda is decided and discussed. Association should not mean assimilation. Sorry if my ideas are not very developed but I did want to write and say how important I think this discussion is. Best, Isabel
---------- Dra. Isabel Galina Russell Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliográficas, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) igalina@unam.mxmailto:igalina@unam.mx @igalina
________________________________________ De: globaloutlookdh-l <globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.camailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca> en nombre de Øyvind Eide <lister@oeide.nomailto:lister@oeide.no> Enviado: domingo, 29 de noviembre de 2015 02:28 p. m. Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Dear Domenico,
Thank you for a clear and thorough reply. We may not agree on all aspects of history, nor on the details of the best (least bad) future organisation (should the power of Iceland be the same as the power of China? Maybe that is the least bad we can do), but I think we agree that ADHO must change into something easier to manage and more representative and inclusive. My take on this is to see what comes out of the current process for simplifying the structure of ADHO. If that indeed makes it better it gives us a starting point for further development and changes.
ADHO is a tool which is only meaningful as long as it makes sense to us, it should never become a goal in itself. For those working within the system that is always important to remember, it is so easy to make our tools our goals. For me ADHO still makes sense. We do good things with it and it is a place to meet.
I also believe that the free software concept of “gjørokrati” (do-ocracy in English?) is one aspect -- those who are willing to do work gets more influence. It has to be checked and limited by other bases for power, though.
Ha en fin kveld,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 20:51, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Dear Øyvind and everyone,
my observations referred initially to the quality and nature of the decision-making process that will lead ADHO to accept or not our suggestions. Then I extended my observations, in my usual polemic style, to ADHO political and institutional settings as a whole. I'm delighted to answer your question, but I would like to know if you think that spending hours on these proposals knowing that ADHO has no obligation to accept any of them is a part of a democratic exercise. Of course I believe it is better than nothing. But even octroyées constitutions were better than absolutism.
What I would prefer for our community is not a mystery and you can find it in dozens of articles, blog posts, emails, etc. I made public in the last fifteen years. What I think we need is a federation of national associations. Isn't that simple? Not perfect, of course, but a step forward.
I know that an elective political system is just one of the several features that defines and constitutes a democratic system. But what you call indirect democracy derives from the intrinsic limits of the ADHO initial project, i.e. to create an umbrella organization for what was already there -- at least in the visible horizon of a prevalently Anglophone community. I don't think that in those times it was a bad idea or that ADHO has done nothing so far to be more inclusive. However, that original bias remained. The structure was created to include existent associations (although recently the new Australasian association joined ADHO reaffirming the Anglophone majority). Other national European associations, like the Italian AIUCD and the German DDH, joined ADHO through the EADH. The result is that both the presence and the influence of Italian and German communities are in principle diluted comparing to other national communities. And how about the French and Spanish associations? Do we think these two communities will accept, like the German and the Italian associations, to be represented in ADHO by the EADH? (Incidentally, the process that led at least one of these two associations to join EADH was far from transparent, as members were not publicly consulted.)
I'm aware of present ADHO's efforts to reflect in its committees a power balance not just based on numbers, but that doesn't change the essence of the problem: inequality of representation. This inequality, unfortunately, it's a default condition of the present governance structure.
As I said and wrote many times, it is not acceptable that if I represent a national group in Europe I could join ADHO only through EADH, but if I am Mexican or Canadian I can join directly. It is like saying that if Turkey wants to join the EU has to join before Romania or Hungary. I'm aware that absurdities like these have historical reasons. But we are here to change and make our history, not to be subjects of it. So I'm really sorry for those friends and colleagues who spent a considerable amount of time, and in same cases most of their lifes, building and strengthening organizations like EADH, but in fact the same existence of such 'constituent organizations' makes today not possible to speak about a democratically representative DH international organization. What seems more serious is that the current governance structure prevents other regional and national groups to join ADHO freely and on equal basis preconditions.
I think it is just a matter of time: things soon or later will change also in DH, and new realities will substitute old ones. You may not agree with what I wrote so far, but what is clear is that present structures cannot accommodate the global explosion of DH. The sooner we'll realize this, the better for everyone.
Sorry for this lengthy reply.
Saluti a tutti
Domenico
Il 29/Nov/2015 13:56, "Øyvind Eide" <lister@oeide.nomailto:lister@oeide.no> ha scritto: Dear Domenico,
ADHO is an indirect democracy: there are six constituent organisations, with (I think all of them) elected boards. These boards select voting members to the ADHO Steering Committee.
Whether such an indirect structure can be called democratic is a question of how one defines democracy. But there are other organisations using a similar indirect structure that are claimed to be democratic.
Would you prefer to turn ADHO into an organisation with personal membership and a Steering Committee elected on a one person-one vote basis?
Regards,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 06:38, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Hi Élika and everyone,
I just realized that I've inserted in the intercultural etc. document some proposals and reflections that are quite general and concern also governance and other topics. Just feel free to move them around if you think they make any sense.
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss these issues in a collective way. But the fact that ADHO can either accept or reject these suggestions reminds me of a situation similar to XVII-XVIII century Europe where kings and rulers could or could not accept the proposals made by elected or partially elected assemblies. So once again I like to call a spade a spade: ADHO it is not a democratic organization. We can put as much effort as we wish in drafting our proposals and pushing our requests, but the reality is that our action can be considered, in the best case, what constitutional experts would call a form of 'moral persuasion'. So I'm afraid we are not still equal on this (digital humanities) world.
Sorry for being out of line with this. But there is no other way to defend democracy in these days except to start applying it.
Domenico Il 29/Nov/2015 06:46, "Élika Ortega" <elikaortega@gmail.commailto:elikaortega@gmail.com> ha scritto: Dear all,
This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on Governance and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rL...
Please, feel free to add and comment.
All best, Élika
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell@uleth.camailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote: Hi all,
Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
"The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related to our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm... http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of a GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as possible within those constraints.
To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly in Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections: • Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation (Lead editor: Gimena del Rio) • Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors: Alex Gil and Élika Ortega • Best practice in inter-cultural language use and communication (Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide). Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc specifically for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute in whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy.
Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
-dan
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Hi Heide,
I had a couple of students present on disability and DH as a diversity issue last year at the joint ACH/CADH/SCHN congress. They were going to write it up as a paper, but didn't in the end--on to other career paths, alas.
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________________________________ From: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca on behalf of Estes, Heide hestes@monmouth.edu Sent: December 2, 2015 11:05 To: globaloutlookdh-l, MailList Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
While you're thinking about these issues, what about including thought about (dis)ability and gender? Heide
---------------------------------------------------------- Heide Estes, Ph.D. Professor of English Monmouth University hestes@monmouth.edumailto:hestes@monmouth.edu
________________________________ From: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca on behalf of Vika Zafrin vzafrin@bu.edu Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 12:44 PM To: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Alex Gil wrote: To Vika's question, can you clarify a bit more, Vika, what you mean? I'm not sure about the full extent of what I mean. But somewhere upthread someone mentioned aggressive vs supportive manners of engaging with a presenter, a cultural difference of which I've had a dim idea, but which I didn't consciously hold to be something that would—unspoken—exclude people from participating in an international discussion. It would be difficult to create a sensitive yet effective resource documenting some cross-cultural translation, but it may be worth the effort.
I'm thinking of something like:
- If you're from X, scholars from outside your culture may seem meek and ineffectual to you. If that's true for you, consider consciously making space for them in conversation. - If you're from Y, engaging with scholars from outside your culture may feel like a constant personal attack. If that's a pattern that's true for you, it may not be conscious; you might try to de-personalize it, or consider bringing it up to allies as an issue.
Or, further de-personalized: we've noticed some patterns, and we're compiling them here because we think awareness of them would be useful to moving the DH community toward true globalization. Scholarly cultures in X region seem considerably more aggressive in debate than they do in Y region. Etc.
-Vika
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Daniel O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell@uleth.camailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
Not that I'm aware of.
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015, 08:06 Vika Zafrin <vzafrin@bu.edumailto:vzafrin@bu.edu> wrote: Dear Isabel and all,
The latest few emails in this thread, and the deeply thought out response document for Karina and the SC, have led me to wonder whether it would be possible to compile a document explaining to scholars the differences in academic language among different communities, whether separated by language, nationality, world region, or other factors. I don't feel qualified to lead such an effort, though would certainly try to contribute to it. But it seems like maybe an appropriate project for GO::DH?
Please forgive me if someone has already written about this. I've tried to keep up with the list, but have not been entirely successful, especially of late.
-Vika
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igalina wrote:
Dear Sara and All,
I think Sara's comment about reviewers is both a practical issue but also a fundamental reflection of how deep or superficial the consequences of our initiatives are. Indeed, although CfP in many different languages looks and sounds good, and is most definitely a step forward, with no reviewers the step is tiny indeed. I also think that some of the discussions regarding 'who is entitled to be a reviewer' reflect more deep rooted prejudices - ie. for example, to be a reviewer in English there are one set of requirements and a proposal to be a reviewer in other languages had different requirements, not only language ones but some that seemed to be related to the 'quality' and 'knowledge' of the reviewer.
I would like to add to this discussion the issue of the publications that ADHO sponsors. I think that some discussions that are being had, again related to language and quality of research, should not be among a few, but rather open to a more public debate. What do we expect from our publications as ADHO members? As non-Anglo members (or English as a second language members), how do the different ADHO journals respond to our needs? Although some (not all) are in theory multi-lingual, do they *really* have the infrastructure to respond to multi-lingual needs? And if they don't, how can we help to make this a real possiblity?
Best,
Isabel
---------- Dra. Isabel Galina Russell Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliográficas, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) igalina@unam.mxmailto:igalina@unam.mx @igalina
________________________________ De: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.camailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca en nombre de Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.commailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com Enviado: martes, 1 de diciembre de 2015 11:41 a. m. Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Thank you, Sara, for this background. Things are in transition right now and the question of recruiting language reviewers hinges more at this moment on whether the structures will be there to receive them. I think GO::DH could, in theory, expand the reviewer pool by a substantial amount if we set our energies to it, but I think there are tacit reasons why that massive recruitment effort hasn't happened. I personally think we still have work to do on the ADHO side (and to a lesser degree our own CO's) before I, again personally, go out on a campaign to bring in friends and friends of friends into the fold. You shrewdly notice though that some of us with reservations will do that work for Montreal and Mexico, and just in time, we hope, as some or all of our recommendations get implemented.
cheers, a.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Sara A. Schmidt <saschmidt8@gmail.commailto:saschmidt8@gmail.com> wrote: In response to Isabel's question "What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018?" I feel compelled to note that I sincerely hope the Montreal and Mexico City conferences will lead to more French and Spanish speakers volunteering to review for the DH conference.
As some of you may know, I set up accounts for reviewers in conftool back in the fall of 2006 and worked with a few Program Committee Chairs to add more reviewers paying particular attention to increasing the numbers of those willing to read the languages listed in the DH2007 and DH2008 cfps and particular attention to increasing the numbers of reviewers with expertise in certain subject areas where there was a need for additional reviewers. I'm still rather amazed that ADHO would list Chinese and Japanese in a cfp when they only had one reviewer willing and able to read those languages circa fall 2006 and Arabic when they didn't have a single reviewer capable of reading Arabic. Okay, technically the cfp did state that authors were supposed to provide an English language translation of their abstracts, but as I would have anticipated not everyone noted that they were supposed to provide an English translation. Consequently the DH2007 PC Chair ended up needing to have some Russian abstracts translated by a member of the PC Committee because he not only didn't have enough reviewers capable of reading Russian circa fall 2006, he also didn't know which reviewers could read Russian.
While I did manage to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read languages other than English and to add information regarding languages reviewers were willing to read into conftool abet in a less than ideal way, there was still a need for far more work to be done in my opinion. While I know ADHO has since moved to issuing open calls for reviewers, my witnessing one while still working on the database suggested to me that open calls work to increase the number of individuals in the same country as the PC Chair (since they are more likely to see and respond to the call as soon as it is sent out) and the number of North Americans (since there a number of North Americans who will tweet and retweet the calls for reviewers so they reach their North American colleagues).
My understanding is that there should be an open call for reviewers before the next conference. I would strongly encourage members of the GO:DH community to share that call with their colleagues especially those colleagues who would be willing to read abstracts in any languages other than English. Even if a particular language isn't listed in the cfp for DH2016, there is always a chance that someone might turn in an abstract dealing with texts in that particular language and in my opinion it would be very helpful for the PC Chair to have the opportunity to assign the abstract to at least one reviewer who can read that language. I also honestly believe that having a more linguistically and culturally diverse pool of reviewers is very beneficial for the conference.
I would also note that I know in the pre-DH2007 period there was a willingness to allow reviewers to volunteer to review abstracts in languages other than English without requiring them to review English language abstracts. I wish the powers that be were still allowing this as I feel it might be easier to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read certain languages if one allowed them to choose to only read abstracts in their first language. There also was a willingness to let reviewers provide comments for authors in the language the abstract was submitted in as long as they also provided some feedback for the PC in English as well.
Sara Schmidt
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:46 PM, igalina <igalina@unam.mxmailto:igalina@unam.mx> wrote: Dear All, I would like to join in and celebrate the fact that you invited us all to contribute to the document. I am sorry that due to the short time span and personal workload I was unable to contribute to the document.
I think there is a general agreement that the AHDO structure is currently not flexible or inclusive enough and recent episodes are a reflection of this. I am not quite sure though what I would like ADHO to look like and how it should function. At present there seems to be a division between a national/regional approach and a linguistic one (sometimes they are the same but not always). As it stands currently the structure doesn't make much sense, and it doesn't seem very fair in terms of decision making. However, I think that the groups, in particular this one, are in place for us to have discussions about this. The RedHD is not a CO or part of a CO. Where do we fit in in all of this? What are the different options for participating? How do we relate not only to ADHO but to other DH associations both official and 'un-official' or emerging? What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018? I think that one of the most important issues, regardless of how one becomes associated to ADHO, is how the agenda is decided and discussed. Association should not mean assimilation. Sorry if my ideas are not very developed but I did want to write and say how important I think this discussion is. Best, Isabel
---------- Dra. Isabel Galina Russell Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliográficas, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) igalina@unam.mxmailto:igalina@unam.mx @igalina
________________________________________ De: globaloutlookdh-l <globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.camailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca> en nombre de Øyvind Eide <lister@oeide.nomailto:lister@oeide.no> Enviado: domingo, 29 de noviembre de 2015 02:28 p. m. Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Dear Domenico,
Thank you for a clear and thorough reply. We may not agree on all aspects of history, nor on the details of the best (least bad) future organisation (should the power of Iceland be the same as the power of China? Maybe that is the least bad we can do), but I think we agree that ADHO must change into something easier to manage and more representative and inclusive. My take on this is to see what comes out of the current process for simplifying the structure of ADHO. If that indeed makes it better it gives us a starting point for further development and changes.
ADHO is a tool which is only meaningful as long as it makes sense to us, it should never become a goal in itself. For those working within the system that is always important to remember, it is so easy to make our tools our goals. For me ADHO still makes sense. We do good things with it and it is a place to meet.
I also believe that the free software concept of “gjørokrati” (do-ocracy in English?) is one aspect -- those who are willing to do work gets more influence. It has to be checked and limited by other bases for power, though.
Ha en fin kveld,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 20:51, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Dear Øyvind and everyone,
my observations referred initially to the quality and nature of the decision-making process that will lead ADHO to accept or not our suggestions. Then I extended my observations, in my usual polemic style, to ADHO political and institutional settings as a whole. I'm delighted to answer your question, but I would like to know if you think that spending hours on these proposals knowing that ADHO has no obligation to accept any of them is a part of a democratic exercise. Of course I believe it is better than nothing. But even octroyées constitutions were better than absolutism.
What I would prefer for our community is not a mystery and you can find it in dozens of articles, blog posts, emails, etc. I made public in the last fifteen years. What I think we need is a federation of national associations. Isn't that simple? Not perfect, of course, but a step forward.
I know that an elective political system is just one of the several features that defines and constitutes a democratic system. But what you call indirect democracy derives from the intrinsic limits of the ADHO initial project, i.e. to create an umbrella organization for what was already there -- at least in the visible horizon of a prevalently Anglophone community. I don't think that in those times it was a bad idea or that ADHO has done nothing so far to be more inclusive. However, that original bias remained. The structure was created to include existent associations (although recently the new Australasian association joined ADHO reaffirming the Anglophone majority). Other national European associations, like the Italian AIUCD and the German DDH, joined ADHO through the EADH. The result is that both the presence and the influence of Italian and German communities are in principle diluted comparing to other national communities. And how about the French and Spanish associations? Do we think these two communities will accept, like the German and the Italian associations, to be represented in ADHO by the EADH? (Incidentally, the process that led at least one of these two associations to join EADH was far from transparent, as members were not publicly consulted.)
I'm aware of present ADHO's efforts to reflect in its committees a power balance not just based on numbers, but that doesn't change the essence of the problem: inequality of representation. This inequality, unfortunately, it's a default condition of the present governance structure.
As I said and wrote many times, it is not acceptable that if I represent a national group in Europe I could join ADHO only through EADH, but if I am Mexican or Canadian I can join directly. It is like saying that if Turkey wants to join the EU has to join before Romania or Hungary. I'm aware that absurdities like these have historical reasons. But we are here to change and make our history, not to be subjects of it. So I'm really sorry for those friends and colleagues who spent a considerable amount of time, and in same cases most of their lifes, building and strengthening organizations like EADH, but in fact the same existence of such 'constituent organizations' makes today not possible to speak about a democratically representative DH international organization. What seems more serious is that the current governance structure prevents other regional and national groups to join ADHO freely and on equal basis preconditions.
I think it is just a matter of time: things soon or later will change also in DH, and new realities will substitute old ones. You may not agree with what I wrote so far, but what is clear is that present structures cannot accommodate the global explosion of DH. The sooner we'll realize this, the better for everyone.
Sorry for this lengthy reply.
Saluti a tutti
Domenico
Il 29/Nov/2015 13:56, "Øyvind Eide" <lister@oeide.nomailto:lister@oeide.no> ha scritto: Dear Domenico,
ADHO is an indirect democracy: there are six constituent organisations, with (I think all of them) elected boards. These boards select voting members to the ADHO Steering Committee.
Whether such an indirect structure can be called democratic is a question of how one defines democracy. But there are other organisations using a similar indirect structure that are claimed to be democratic.
Would you prefer to turn ADHO into an organisation with personal membership and a Steering Committee elected on a one person-one vote basis?
Regards,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 06:38, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Hi Élika and everyone,
I just realized that I've inserted in the intercultural etc. document some proposals and reflections that are quite general and concern also governance and other topics. Just feel free to move them around if you think they make any sense.
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss these issues in a collective way. But the fact that ADHO can either accept or reject these suggestions reminds me of a situation similar to XVII-XVIII century Europe where kings and rulers could or could not accept the proposals made by elected or partially elected assemblies. So once again I like to call a spade a spade: ADHO it is not a democratic organization. We can put as much effort as we wish in drafting our proposals and pushing our requests, but the reality is that our action can be considered, in the best case, what constitutional experts would call a form of 'moral persuasion'. So I'm afraid we are not still equal on this (digital humanities) world.
Sorry for being out of line with this. But there is no other way to defend democracy in these days except to start applying it.
Domenico Il 29/Nov/2015 06:46, "Élika Ortega" <elikaortega@gmail.commailto:elikaortega@gmail.com> ha scritto: Dear all,
This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on Governance and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rL...
Please, feel free to add and comment.
All best, Élika
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell@uleth.camailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote: Hi all,
Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
"The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related to our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm... http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of a GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as possible within those constraints.
To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly in Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections: • Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation (Lead editor: Gimena del Rio) • Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors: Alex Gil and Élika Ortega • Best practice in inter-cultural language use and communication (Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide). Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc specifically for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute in whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy.
Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
-dan
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I really think this would be a great idea, though the basic problem is that it deals in stereotypes. We also need to watch out that it doesn't become victim blaming--for example in the way that the endless articles advising women to speak and behave differently in order to succeed do.
But we all have a sense that some disciplines, academic cultures, and languages, stereotypically at least value different things: when I was TEI chair, I was well aware of the different academic culture between the U.S. and the U.K., for example (I used to joke that I was made TEI chair because I could tell when the Americans were angry and the English weren't). But I don't know how you could report that without trading in stereotypes.
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________________________________ From: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca on behalf of Vika Zafrin vzafrin@bu.edu Sent: December 2, 2015 10:44 To: globaloutlookdh-l, MailList Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Alex Gil wrote: To Vika's question, can you clarify a bit more, Vika, what you mean? I'm not sure about the full extent of what I mean. But somewhere upthread someone mentioned aggressive vs supportive manners of engaging with a presenter, a cultural difference of which I've had a dim idea, but which I didn't consciously hold to be something that would—unspoken—exclude people from participating in an international discussion. It would be difficult to create a sensitive yet effective resource documenting some cross-cultural translation, but it may be worth the effort.
I'm thinking of something like:
- If you're from X, scholars from outside your culture may seem meek and ineffectual to you. If that's true for you, consider consciously making space for them in conversation. - If you're from Y, engaging with scholars from outside your culture may feel like a constant personal attack. If that's a pattern that's true for you, it may not be conscious; you might try to de-personalize it, or consider bringing it up to allies as an issue.
Or, further de-personalized: we've noticed some patterns, and we're compiling them here because we think awareness of them would be useful to moving the DH community toward true globalization. Scholarly cultures in X region seem considerably more aggressive in debate than they do in Y region. Etc.
-Vika
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Daniel O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell@uleth.camailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
Not that I'm aware of.
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015, 08:06 Vika Zafrin <vzafrin@bu.edumailto:vzafrin@bu.edu> wrote: Dear Isabel and all,
The latest few emails in this thread, and the deeply thought out response document for Karina and the SC, have led me to wonder whether it would be possible to compile a document explaining to scholars the differences in academic language among different communities, whether separated by language, nationality, world region, or other factors. I don't feel qualified to lead such an effort, though would certainly try to contribute to it. But it seems like maybe an appropriate project for GO::DH?
Please forgive me if someone has already written about this. I've tried to keep up with the list, but have not been entirely successful, especially of late.
-Vika
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igalina wrote:
Dear Sara and All,
I think Sara's comment about reviewers is both a practical issue but also a fundamental reflection of how deep or superficial the consequences of our initiatives are. Indeed, although CfP in many different languages looks and sounds good, and is most definitely a step forward, with no reviewers the step is tiny indeed. I also think that some of the discussions regarding 'who is entitled to be a reviewer' reflect more deep rooted prejudices - ie. for example, to be a reviewer in English there are one set of requirements and a proposal to be a reviewer in other languages had different requirements, not only language ones but some that seemed to be related to the 'quality' and 'knowledge' of the reviewer.
I would like to add to this discussion the issue of the publications that ADHO sponsors. I think that some discussions that are being had, again related to language and quality of research, should not be among a few, but rather open to a more public debate. What do we expect from our publications as ADHO members? As non-Anglo members (or English as a second language members), how do the different ADHO journals respond to our needs? Although some (not all) are in theory multi-lingual, do they *really* have the infrastructure to respond to multi-lingual needs? And if they don't, how can we help to make this a real possiblity?
Best,
Isabel
---------- Dra. Isabel Galina Russell Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliográficas, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) igalina@unam.mxmailto:igalina@unam.mx @igalina
________________________________ De: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.camailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca en nombre de Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.commailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com Enviado: martes, 1 de diciembre de 2015 11:41 a. m. Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Thank you, Sara, for this background. Things are in transition right now and the question of recruiting language reviewers hinges more at this moment on whether the structures will be there to receive them. I think GO::DH could, in theory, expand the reviewer pool by a substantial amount if we set our energies to it, but I think there are tacit reasons why that massive recruitment effort hasn't happened. I personally think we still have work to do on the ADHO side (and to a lesser degree our own CO's) before I, again personally, go out on a campaign to bring in friends and friends of friends into the fold. You shrewdly notice though that some of us with reservations will do that work for Montreal and Mexico, and just in time, we hope, as some or all of our recommendations get implemented.
cheers, a.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Sara A. Schmidt <saschmidt8@gmail.commailto:saschmidt8@gmail.com> wrote: In response to Isabel's question "What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018?" I feel compelled to note that I sincerely hope the Montreal and Mexico City conferences will lead to more French and Spanish speakers volunteering to review for the DH conference.
As some of you may know, I set up accounts for reviewers in conftool back in the fall of 2006 and worked with a few Program Committee Chairs to add more reviewers paying particular attention to increasing the numbers of those willing to read the languages listed in the DH2007 and DH2008 cfps and particular attention to increasing the numbers of reviewers with expertise in certain subject areas where there was a need for additional reviewers. I'm still rather amazed that ADHO would list Chinese and Japanese in a cfp when they only had one reviewer willing and able to read those languages circa fall 2006 and Arabic when they didn't have a single reviewer capable of reading Arabic. Okay, technically the cfp did state that authors were supposed to provide an English language translation of their abstracts, but as I would have anticipated not everyone noted that they were supposed to provide an English translation. Consequently the DH2007 PC Chair ended up needing to have some Russian abstracts translated by a member of the PC Committee because he not only didn't have enough reviewers capable of reading Russian circa fall 2006, he also didn't know which reviewers could read Russian.
While I did manage to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read languages other than English and to add information regarding languages reviewers were willing to read into conftool abet in a less than ideal way, there was still a need for far more work to be done in my opinion. While I know ADHO has since moved to issuing open calls for reviewers, my witnessing one while still working on the database suggested to me that open calls work to increase the number of individuals in the same country as the PC Chair (since they are more likely to see and respond to the call as soon as it is sent out) and the number of North Americans (since there a number of North Americans who will tweet and retweet the calls for reviewers so they reach their North American colleagues).
My understanding is that there should be an open call for reviewers before the next conference. I would strongly encourage members of the GO:DH community to share that call with their colleagues especially those colleagues who would be willing to read abstracts in any languages other than English. Even if a particular language isn't listed in the cfp for DH2016, there is always a chance that someone might turn in an abstract dealing with texts in that particular language and in my opinion it would be very helpful for the PC Chair to have the opportunity to assign the abstract to at least one reviewer who can read that language. I also honestly believe that having a more linguistically and culturally diverse pool of reviewers is very beneficial for the conference.
I would also note that I know in the pre-DH2007 period there was a willingness to allow reviewers to volunteer to review abstracts in languages other than English without requiring them to review English language abstracts. I wish the powers that be were still allowing this as I feel it might be easier to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read certain languages if one allowed them to choose to only read abstracts in their first language. There also was a willingness to let reviewers provide comments for authors in the language the abstract was submitted in as long as they also provided some feedback for the PC in English as well.
Sara Schmidt
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:46 PM, igalina <igalina@unam.mxmailto:igalina@unam.mx> wrote: Dear All, I would like to join in and celebrate the fact that you invited us all to contribute to the document. I am sorry that due to the short time span and personal workload I was unable to contribute to the document.
I think there is a general agreement that the AHDO structure is currently not flexible or inclusive enough and recent episodes are a reflection of this. I am not quite sure though what I would like ADHO to look like and how it should function. At present there seems to be a division between a national/regional approach and a linguistic one (sometimes they are the same but not always). As it stands currently the structure doesn't make much sense, and it doesn't seem very fair in terms of decision making. However, I think that the groups, in particular this one, are in place for us to have discussions about this. The RedHD is not a CO or part of a CO. Where do we fit in in all of this? What are the different options for participating? How do we relate not only to ADHO but to other DH associations both official and 'un-official' or emerging? What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018? I think that one of the most important issues, regardless of how one becomes associated to ADHO, is how the agenda is decided and discussed. Association should not mean assimilation. Sorry if my ideas are not very developed but I did want to write and say how important I think this discussion is. Best, Isabel
---------- Dra. Isabel Galina Russell Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliográficas, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) igalina@unam.mxmailto:igalina@unam.mx @igalina
________________________________________ De: globaloutlookdh-l <globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.camailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca> en nombre de Øyvind Eide <lister@oeide.nomailto:lister@oeide.no> Enviado: domingo, 29 de noviembre de 2015 02:28 p. m. Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Dear Domenico,
Thank you for a clear and thorough reply. We may not agree on all aspects of history, nor on the details of the best (least bad) future organisation (should the power of Iceland be the same as the power of China? Maybe that is the least bad we can do), but I think we agree that ADHO must change into something easier to manage and more representative and inclusive. My take on this is to see what comes out of the current process for simplifying the structure of ADHO. If that indeed makes it better it gives us a starting point for further development and changes.
ADHO is a tool which is only meaningful as long as it makes sense to us, it should never become a goal in itself. For those working within the system that is always important to remember, it is so easy to make our tools our goals. For me ADHO still makes sense. We do good things with it and it is a place to meet.
I also believe that the free software concept of “gjørokrati” (do-ocracy in English?) is one aspect -- those who are willing to do work gets more influence. It has to be checked and limited by other bases for power, though.
Ha en fin kveld,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 20:51, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Dear Øyvind and everyone,
my observations referred initially to the quality and nature of the decision-making process that will lead ADHO to accept or not our suggestions. Then I extended my observations, in my usual polemic style, to ADHO political and institutional settings as a whole. I'm delighted to answer your question, but I would like to know if you think that spending hours on these proposals knowing that ADHO has no obligation to accept any of them is a part of a democratic exercise. Of course I believe it is better than nothing. But even octroyées constitutions were better than absolutism.
What I would prefer for our community is not a mystery and you can find it in dozens of articles, blog posts, emails, etc. I made public in the last fifteen years. What I think we need is a federation of national associations. Isn't that simple? Not perfect, of course, but a step forward.
I know that an elective political system is just one of the several features that defines and constitutes a democratic system. But what you call indirect democracy derives from the intrinsic limits of the ADHO initial project, i.e. to create an umbrella organization for what was already there -- at least in the visible horizon of a prevalently Anglophone community. I don't think that in those times it was a bad idea or that ADHO has done nothing so far to be more inclusive. However, that original bias remained. The structure was created to include existent associations (although recently the new Australasian association joined ADHO reaffirming the Anglophone majority). Other national European associations, like the Italian AIUCD and the German DDH, joined ADHO through the EADH. The result is that both the presence and the influence of Italian and German communities are in principle diluted comparing to other national communities. And how about the French and Spanish associations? Do we think these two communities will accept, like the German and the Italian associations, to be represented in ADHO by the EADH? (Incidentally, the process that led at least one of these two associations to join EADH was far from transparent, as members were not publicly consulted.)
I'm aware of present ADHO's efforts to reflect in its committees a power balance not just based on numbers, but that doesn't change the essence of the problem: inequality of representation. This inequality, unfortunately, it's a default condition of the present governance structure.
As I said and wrote many times, it is not acceptable that if I represent a national group in Europe I could join ADHO only through EADH, but if I am Mexican or Canadian I can join directly. It is like saying that if Turkey wants to join the EU has to join before Romania or Hungary. I'm aware that absurdities like these have historical reasons. But we are here to change and make our history, not to be subjects of it. So I'm really sorry for those friends and colleagues who spent a considerable amount of time, and in same cases most of their lifes, building and strengthening organizations like EADH, but in fact the same existence of such 'constituent organizations' makes today not possible to speak about a democratically representative DH international organization. What seems more serious is that the current governance structure prevents other regional and national groups to join ADHO freely and on equal basis preconditions.
I think it is just a matter of time: things soon or later will change also in DH, and new realities will substitute old ones. You may not agree with what I wrote so far, but what is clear is that present structures cannot accommodate the global explosion of DH. The sooner we'll realize this, the better for everyone.
Sorry for this lengthy reply.
Saluti a tutti
Domenico
Il 29/Nov/2015 13:56, "Øyvind Eide" <lister@oeide.nomailto:lister@oeide.no> ha scritto: Dear Domenico,
ADHO is an indirect democracy: there are six constituent organisations, with (I think all of them) elected boards. These boards select voting members to the ADHO Steering Committee.
Whether such an indirect structure can be called democratic is a question of how one defines democracy. But there are other organisations using a similar indirect structure that are claimed to be democratic.
Would you prefer to turn ADHO into an organisation with personal membership and a Steering Committee elected on a one person-one vote basis?
Regards,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 06:38, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Hi Élika and everyone,
I just realized that I've inserted in the intercultural etc. document some proposals and reflections that are quite general and concern also governance and other topics. Just feel free to move them around if you think they make any sense.
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss these issues in a collective way. But the fact that ADHO can either accept or reject these suggestions reminds me of a situation similar to XVII-XVIII century Europe where kings and rulers could or could not accept the proposals made by elected or partially elected assemblies. So once again I like to call a spade a spade: ADHO it is not a democratic organization. We can put as much effort as we wish in drafting our proposals and pushing our requests, but the reality is that our action can be considered, in the best case, what constitutional experts would call a form of 'moral persuasion'. So I'm afraid we are not still equal on this (digital humanities) world.
Sorry for being out of line with this. But there is no other way to defend democracy in these days except to start applying it.
Domenico Il 29/Nov/2015 06:46, "Élika Ortega" <elikaortega@gmail.commailto:elikaortega@gmail.com> ha scritto: Dear all,
This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on Governance and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rL...
Please, feel free to add and comment.
All best, Élika
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell <daniel.odonnell@uleth.camailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote: Hi all,
Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
"The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related to our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm... http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of a GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as possible within those constraints.
To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly in Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections: • Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation (Lead editor: Gimena del Rio) • Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors: Alex Gil and Élika Ortega • Best practice in inter-cultural language use and communication (Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide). Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc specifically for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute in whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy.
Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
-dan
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Yeah, that's a real problem, and I'm pretty poorly equipped to deal with it. One problem with stereotypes is that they sometimes point to trends, and some of those trends are harmful, and some of the harmful ones bring us (ADHO) to our current state. So I can't dismiss stereotypes as a thing we can never use to a good end.
Maybe an effort to help folks understand cultural academic differences doesn't have to be prescriptive. Not "try doing X to counteract trend Y," but "we've noticed these trends. Awareness of them might help us all move forward." This would have a greater chance of avoiding victim blaming.
-Vika
I agree with Dan here. No one can truly represent communities of the magnitude we're discussing here without dealing in stereotypes. I would strongly urge us not to do such things. That doesn't leave us without recourse, though. Here are some thoughts:
a) Mutually agreed upon terms of engagement for international collaboration. These are not lessons about each other, just the good old finding of common ground. b) Encouraging well-travelled, multi-lingual, cosmopolitan members to play diplomatic and translating roles. c) Listening to folks who do collaborative, deep research with academic communities outside their home base. This is not to be conflated with the antrhopological study of cultures, although there may be overlap. d) Building friendships with folks who live far away from you. My favorite :)
All of that to say, that if we provide the right structures, the right environment for collaboration, *experience* will fill in the gaps to help us avoid making the type of *faux-pas* you outline.
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Vika Zafrin vzafrin@bu.edu wrote:
Yeah, that's a real problem, and I'm pretty poorly equipped to deal with it. One problem with stereotypes is that they sometimes point to trends, and some of those trends are harmful, and some of the harmful ones bring us (ADHO) to our current state. So I can't dismiss stereotypes as a thing we can never use to a good end.
Maybe an effort to help folks understand cultural academic differences doesn't have to be prescriptive. Not "try doing X to counteract trend Y," but "we've noticed these trends. Awareness of them might help us all move forward." This would have a greater chance of avoiding victim blaming.
-Vika
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O'Donnell, Dan wrote:
I really think this would be a great idea, though the basic problem is that it deals in stereotypes. We also need to watch out that it doesn't become victim blaming--for example in the way that the endless articles advising women to speak and behave differently in order to succeed do.
But we all have a sense that some disciplines, academic cultures, and languages, stereotypically at least value different things: when I was TEI chair, I was well aware of the different academic culture between the U.S. and the U.K., for example (I used to joke that I was made TEI chair because I could tell when the Americans were angry and the English weren't). But I don't know how you could report that without trading in stereotypes.
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*From:* globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca on behalf of Vika Zafrin vzafrin@bu.edu vzafrin@bu.edu *Sent:* December 2, 2015 10:44 *To:* globaloutlookdh-l, MailList *Subject:* Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Alex Gil wrote:
To Vika's question, can you clarify a bit more, Vika, what you mean?
I'm not sure about the full extent of what I mean. But somewhere upthread someone mentioned aggressive vs supportive manners of engaging with a presenter, a cultural difference of which I've had a dim idea, but which I didn't consciously hold to be something that would—unspoken—exclude people from participating in an international discussion. It would be difficult to create a sensitive yet effective resource documenting some cross-cultural translation, but it may be worth the effort.
I'm thinking of something like:
- If you're from X, scholars from outside your culture may seem meek and
ineffectual to you. If that's true for you, consider consciously making space for them in conversation.
- If you're from Y, engaging with scholars from outside your culture may
feel like a constant personal attack. If that's a pattern that's true for you, it may not be conscious; you might try to de-personalize it, or consider bringing it up to allies as an issue.
Or, further de-personalized: we've noticed some patterns, and we're compiling them here because we think awareness of them would be useful to moving the DH community toward true globalization. Scholarly cultures in X region seem considerably more aggressive in debate than they do in Y region. Etc.
-Vika
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Daniel O'Donnell < daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
Not that I'm aware of.
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015, 08:06 Vika Zafrin vzafrin@bu.edu wrote:
Dear Isabel and all,
The latest few emails in this thread, and the deeply thought out response document for Karina and the SC, have led me to wonder whether it would be possible to compile a document explaining to scholars the differences in academic language among different communities, whether separated by language, nationality, world region, or other factors. I don't feel qualified to lead such an effort, though would certainly try to contribute to it. But it seems like maybe an appropriate project for GO::DH?
Please forgive me if someone has already written about this. I've tried to keep up with the list, but have not been entirely successful, especially of late.
-Vika
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igalina wrote:
Dear Sara and All,
I think Sara's comment about reviewers is both a practical issue but also a fundamental reflection of how deep or superficial the consequences of our initiatives are. Indeed, although CfP in many different languages looks and sounds good, and is most definitely a step forward, with no reviewers the step is tiny indeed. I also think that some of the discussions regarding 'who is entitled to be a reviewer' reflect more deep rooted prejudices - ie. for example, to be a reviewer in English there are one set of requirements and a proposal to be a reviewer in other languages had different requirements, not only language ones but some that seemed to be related to the 'quality' and 'knowledge' of the reviewer.
I would like to add to this discussion the issue of the publications that ADHO sponsors. I think that some discussions that are being had, again related to language and quality of research, should not be among a few, but rather open to a more public debate. What do we expect from our publications as ADHO members? As non-Anglo members (or English as a second language members), how do the different ADHO journals respond to our needs? Although some (not all) are in theory multi-lingual, do they *really* have the infrastructure to respond to multi-lingual needs? And if they don't, how can we help to make this a real possiblity?
Best,
Isabel
Dra. Isabel Galina Russell Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliográficas, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) igalina@unam.mx @igalina
*De:* globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca en nombre de Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com colibri.alex@gmail.com *Enviado:* martes, 1 de diciembre de 2015 11:41 a. m. *Para:* A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community *Asunto:* Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Thank you, Sara, for this background. Things are in transition right now and the question of recruiting language reviewers hinges more at this moment on whether the structures will be there to receive them. I think GO::DH could, in theory, expand the reviewer pool by a substantial amount if we set our energies to it, but I think there are tacit reasons why that massive recruitment effort hasn't happened. I *personally* think we still have work to do on the ADHO side (and to a lesser degree our own CO's) before I, again *personally*, go out on a campaign to bring in friends and friends of friends into the fold. You shrewdly notice though that some of us with reservations will do that work for Montreal and Mexico, and *just in time*, we hope, as some or all of our recommendations get implemented.
cheers, a.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Sara A. Schmidt saschmidt8@gmail.com wrote:
In response to Isabel's question "What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018?" I feel compelled to note that I sincerely hope the Montreal and Mexico City conferences will lead to more French and Spanish speakers volunteering to review for the DH conference.
As some of you may know, I set up accounts for reviewers in conftool back in the fall of 2006 and worked with a few Program Committee Chairs to add more reviewers paying particular attention to increasing the numbers of those willing to read the languages listed in the DH2007 and DH2008 cfps and particular attention to increasing the numbers of reviewers with expertise in certain subject areas where there was a need for additional reviewers. I'm still rather amazed that ADHO would list Chinese and Japanese in a cfp when they only had one reviewer willing and able to read those languages circa fall 2006 and Arabic when they didn't have a single reviewer capable of reading Arabic. Okay, technically the cfp did state that authors were supposed to provide an English language translation of their abstracts, but as I would have anticipated not everyone noted that they were supposed to provide an English translation. Consequently the DH2007 PC Chair ended up needing to have some Russian abstracts translated by a member of the PC Committee because he not only didn't have enough reviewers capable of reading Russian circa fall 2006, he also didn't know which reviewers could read Russian.
While I did manage to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read languages other than English and to add information regarding languages reviewers were willing to read into conftool abet in a less than ideal way, there was still a need for far more work to be done in my opinion. While I know ADHO has since moved to issuing open calls for reviewers, my witnessing one while still working on the database suggested to me that open calls work to increase the number of individuals in the same country as the PC Chair (since they are more likely to see and respond to the call as soon as it is sent out) and the number of North Americans (since there a number of North Americans who will tweet and retweet the calls for reviewers so they reach their North American colleagues).
My understanding is that there should be an open call for reviewers before the next conference. I would strongly encourage members of the GO:DH community to share that call with their colleagues especially those colleagues who would be willing to read abstracts in any languages other than English. Even if a particular language isn't listed in the cfp for DH2016, there is always a chance that someone might turn in an abstract dealing with texts in that particular language and in my opinion it would be very helpful for the PC Chair to have the opportunity to assign the abstract to at least one reviewer who can read that language. I also honestly believe that having a more linguistically and culturally diverse pool of reviewers is very beneficial for the conference.
I would also note that I know in the pre-DH2007 period there was a willingness to allow reviewers to volunteer to review abstracts in languages other than English without requiring them to review English language abstracts. I wish the powers that be were still allowing this as I feel it might be easier to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read certain languages if one allowed them to choose to only read abstracts in their first language. There also was a willingness to let reviewers provide comments for authors in the language the abstract was submitted in as long as they also provided some feedback for the PC in English as well.
Sara Schmidt
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:46 PM, igalina igalina@unam.mx wrote:
Dear All, I would like to join in and celebrate the fact that you invited us all to contribute to the document. I am sorry that due to the short time span and personal workload I was unable to contribute to the document.
I think there is a general agreement that the AHDO structure is currently not flexible or inclusive enough and recent episodes are a reflection of this. I am not quite sure though what I would like ADHO to look like and how it should function. At present there seems to be a division between a national/regional approach and a linguistic one (sometimes they are the same but not always). As it stands currently the structure doesn't make much sense, and it doesn't seem very fair in terms of decision making. However, I think that the groups, in particular this one, are in place for us to have discussions about this. The RedHD is not a CO or part of a CO. Where do we fit in in all of this? What are the different options for participating? How do we relate not only to ADHO but to other DH associations both official and 'un-official' or emerging? What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018? I think that one of the most important issues, regardless of how one becomes associated to ADHO, is how the agenda is decided and discussed. Association should not mean assimilation. Sorry if my ideas are not very developed but I did want to write and say how important I think this discussion is. Best, Isabel
Dra. Isabel Galina Russell Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliográficas, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) igalina@unam.mx @igalina
De: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca en nombre de Øyvind Eide lister@oeide.no Enviado: domingo, 29 de noviembre de 2015 02:28 p. m. Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Dear Domenico,
Thank you for a clear and thorough reply. We may not agree on all aspects of history, nor on the details of the best (least bad) future organisation (should the power of Iceland be the same as the power of China? Maybe that is the least bad we can do), but I think we agree that ADHO must change into something easier to manage and more representative and inclusive. My take on this is to see what comes out of the current process for simplifying the structure of ADHO. If that indeed makes it better it gives us a starting point for further development and changes.
ADHO is a tool which is only meaningful as long as it makes sense to us, it should never become a goal in itself. For those working within the system that is always important to remember, it is so easy to make our tools our goals. For me ADHO still makes sense. We do good things with it and it is a place to meet.
I also believe that the free software concept of “gjørokrati” (do-ocracy in English?) is one aspect -- those who are willing to do work gets more influence. It has to be checked and limited by other bases for power, though.
Ha en fin kveld,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 20:51, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Dear Øyvind and everyone,
my observations referred initially to the quality and nature of the
decision-making process that will lead ADHO to accept or not our suggestions. Then I extended my observations, in my usual polemic style, to ADHO political and institutional settings as a whole. I'm delighted to answer your question, but I would like to know if you think that spending hours on these proposals knowing that ADHO has no obligation to accept any of them is a part of a democratic exercise. Of course I believe it is better than nothing. But even octroyées constitutions were better than absolutism.
What I would prefer for our community is not a mystery and you can
find it in dozens of articles, blog posts, emails, etc. I made public in the last fifteen years. What I think we need is a federation of national associations.
Isn't that simple? Not perfect, of course, but a step forward.
I know that an elective political system is just one of the several
features that defines and constitutes a democratic system. But what you call indirect democracy derives from the intrinsic limits of the ADHO initial project, i.e. to create an umbrella organization for what was already there -- at least in the visible horizon of a prevalently Anglophone community. I don't think that in those times it was a bad idea or that ADHO has done nothing so far to be more inclusive. However, that original bias remained. The structure was created to include existent associations (although recently the new Australasian association joined ADHO reaffirming the Anglophone majority). Other national European associations, like the Italian AIUCD and the German DDH, joined ADHO through the EADH. The result is that both the presence and the influence of Italian and German communities are in principle diluted comparing to other national communities.
And how about the French and Spanish associations? Do we think these
two communities will accept, like the German and the Italian associations, to be represented in ADHO by the EADH? (Incidentally, the process that led at least one of these two associations to join EADH was far from transparent, as members were not publicly consulted.)
I'm aware of present ADHO's efforts to reflect in its committees a
power balance not just based on numbers, but that doesn't change the essence of the problem: inequality of representation. This inequality, unfortunately, it's a default condition of the present governance structure.
As I said and wrote many times, it is not acceptable that if I
represent a national group in Europe I could join ADHO only through EADH, but if I am Mexican or Canadian I can join directly. It is like saying that if Turkey wants to join the EU has to join before Romania or Hungary. I'm aware that absurdities like these have historical reasons. But we are here to change and make our history, not to be subjects of it. So I'm really sorry for those friends and colleagues who spent a considerable amount of time, and in same cases most of their lifes, building and strengthening organizations like EADH, but in fact the same existence of such 'constituent organizations' makes today not possible to speak about a democratically representative DH international organization. What seems more serious is that the current governance structure prevents other regional and national groups to join ADHO freely and on equal basis preconditions.
I think it is just a matter of time: things soon or later will
change also in DH, and new realities will substitute old ones. You may not agree with what I wrote so far, but what is clear is that present structures cannot accommodate the global explosion of DH. The sooner we'll realize this, the better for everyone.
Sorry for this lengthy reply.
Saluti a tutti
Domenico
Il 29/Nov/2015 13:56, "Øyvind Eide" lister@oeide.no ha scritto: Dear Domenico,
ADHO is an indirect democracy: there are six constituent
organisations, with (I think all of them) elected boards. These boards select voting members to the ADHO Steering Committee.
Whether such an indirect structure can be called democratic is a
question of how one defines democracy. But there are other organisations using a similar indirect structure that are claimed to be democratic.
Would you prefer to turn ADHO into an organisation with personal
membership and a Steering Committee elected on a one person-one vote basis?
Regards,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 06:38, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
> Hi Élika and everyone, > > I just realized that I've inserted in the intercultural etc.
document some proposals and reflections that are quite general and concern also governance and other topics. Just feel free to move them around if you think they make any sense.
> > Thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss these issues in a
collective way. But the fact that ADHO can either accept or reject these suggestions reminds me of a situation similar to XVII-XVIII century Europe where kings and rulers could or could not accept the proposals made by elected or partially elected assemblies. So once again I like to call a spade a spade: ADHO it is not a democratic organization. We can put as much effort as we wish in drafting our proposals and pushing our requests, but the reality is that our action can be considered, in the best case, what constitutional experts would call a form of 'moral persuasion'.
> So I'm afraid we are not still equal on this (digital humanities)
world.
> > Sorry for being out of line with this. But there is no other way
to defend democracy in these days except to start applying it.
> > Domenico > Il 29/Nov/2015 06:46, "Élika Ortega" elikaortega@gmail.com ha
scritto:
> Dear all, > > This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on
Governance and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared.
> >
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rL...
> > Please, feel free to add and comment. > > All best, > Élika > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell <
daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote:
> Hi all, > > Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John
Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
> > "The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to
establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
> > This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related
to our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm...
http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
> > At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of
a GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
> > But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as
possible within those constraints.
> > To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly
in Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections:
> • Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation
(Lead editor: Gimena del Rio)
> • Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors:
Alex Gil and Élika Ortega
> • Best practice in inter-cultural language use and
communication (Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide).
> Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc
specifically for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
> > In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to
contribute in whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy.
> > Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these
topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
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I agree very strongly in these points, especially the last :-)
It is a question if and how we can make the common ground something different from the least common denominator — boring and flat, without humour. I love irony but I know it parses badly if at all in some parts of the world so maybe I must skip it in some setting.
Øyvind
2. des. 2015 kl. 20:41 skrev Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com:
I agree with Dan here. No one can truly represent communities of the magnitude we're discussing here without dealing in stereotypes. I would strongly urge us not to do such things. That doesn't leave us without recourse, though. Here are some thoughts:
a) Mutually agreed upon terms of engagement for international collaboration. These are not lessons about each other, just the good old finding of common ground. b) Encouraging well-travelled, multi-lingual, cosmopolitan members to play diplomatic and translating roles. c) Listening to folks who do collaborative, deep research with academic communities outside their home base. This is not to be conflated with the antrhopological study of cultures, although there may be overlap. d) Building friendships with folks who live far away from you. My favorite :)
All of that to say, that if we provide the right structures, the right environment for collaboration, *experience* will fill in the gaps to help us avoid making the type of faux-pas you outline.
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Vika Zafrin vzafrin@bu.edu wrote: Yeah, that's a real problem, and I'm pretty poorly equipped to deal with it. One problem with stereotypes is that they sometimes point to trends, and some of those trends are harmful, and some of the harmful ones bring us (ADHO) to our current state. So I can't dismiss stereotypes as a thing we can never use to a good end.
Maybe an effort to help folks understand cultural academic differences doesn't have to be prescriptive. Not "try doing X to counteract trend Y," but "we've noticed these trends. Awareness of them might help us all move forward." This would have a greater chance of avoiding victim blaming.
-Vika
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O'Donnell, Dan wrote:
I really think this would be a great idea, though the basic problem is that it deals in stereotypes. We also need to watch out that it doesn't become victim blaming--for example in the way that the endless articles advising women to speak and behave differently in order to succeed do.
But we all have a sense that some disciplines, academic cultures, and languages, stereotypically at least value different things: when I was TEI chair, I was well aware of the different academic culture between the U.S. and the U.K., for example (I used to joke that I was made TEI chair because I could tell when the Americans were angry and the English weren't). But I don't know how you could report that without trading in stereotypes.
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From: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca on behalf of Vika Zafrin vzafrin@bu.edu Sent: December 2, 2015 10:44 To: globaloutlookdh-l, MailList Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Alex Gil wrote:
To Vika's question, can you clarify a bit more, Vika, what you mean?
I'm not sure about the full extent of what I mean. But somewhere upthread someone mentioned aggressive vs supportive manners of engaging with a presenter, a cultural difference of which I've had a dim idea, but which I didn't consciously hold to be something that would—unspoken—exclude people from participating in an international discussion. It would be difficult to create a sensitive yet effective resource documenting some cross-cultural translation, but it may be worth the effort.
I'm thinking of something like:
- If you're from X, scholars from outside your culture may seem meek and ineffectual to you. If that's true for you, consider consciously making space for them in conversation.
- If you're from Y, engaging with scholars from outside your culture may feel like a constant personal attack. If that's a pattern that's true for you, it may not be conscious; you might try to de-personalize it, or consider bringing it up to allies as an issue.
Or, further de-personalized: we've noticed some patterns, and we're compiling them here because we think awareness of them would be useful to moving the DH community toward true globalization. Scholarly cultures in X region seem considerably more aggressive in debate than they do in Y region. Etc.
-Vika
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Daniel O'Donnell daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote: Not that I'm aware of.
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015, 08:06 Vika Zafrin vzafrin@bu.edu wrote: Dear Isabel and all,
The latest few emails in this thread, and the deeply thought out response document for Karina and the SC, have led me to wonder whether it would be possible to compile a document explaining to scholars the differences in academic language among different communities, whether separated by language, nationality, world region, or other factors. I don't feel qualified to lead such an effort, though would certainly try to contribute to it. But it seems like maybe an appropriate project for GO::DH?
Please forgive me if someone has already written about this. I've tried to keep up with the list, but have not been entirely successful, especially of late.
-Vika
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igalina wrote:
Dear Sara and All,
I think Sara's comment about reviewers is both a practical issue but also a fundamental reflection of how deep or superficial the consequences of our initiatives are. Indeed, although CfP in many different languages looks and sounds good, and is most definitely a step forward, with no reviewers the step is tiny indeed. I also think that some of the discussions regarding 'who is entitled to be a reviewer' reflect more deep rooted prejudices - ie. for example, to be a reviewer in English there are one set of requirements and a proposal to be a reviewer in other languages had different requirements, not only language ones but some that seemed to be related to the 'quality' and 'knowledge' of the reviewer. I would like to add to this discussion the issue of the publications that ADHO sponsors. I think that some discussions that are being had, again related to language and quality of research, should not be among a few, but rather open to a more public debate. What do we expect from our publications as ADHO members? As non-Anglo members (or English as a second language members), how do the different ADHO journals respond to our needs? Although some (not all) are in theory multi-lingual, do they *really* have the infrastructure to respond to multi-lingual needs? And if they don't, how can we help to make this a real possiblity?
Best,
Isabel
Dra. Isabel Galina Russell Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliográficas, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) igalina@unam.mx @igalina
De: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca en nombre de Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com Enviado: martes, 1 de diciembre de 2015 11:41 a. m. Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Thank you, Sara, for this background. Things are in transition right now and the question of recruiting language reviewers hinges more at this moment on whether the structures will be there to receive them. I think GO::DH could, in theory, expand the reviewer pool by a substantial amount if we set our energies to it, but I think there are tacit reasons why that massive recruitment effort hasn't happened. I personally think we still have work to do on the ADHO side (and to a lesser degree our own CO's) before I, again personally, go out on a campaign to bring in friends and friends of friends into the fold. You shrewdly notice though that some of us with reservations will do that work for Montreal and Mexico, and just in time, we hope, as some or all of our recommendations get implemented.
cheers, a.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Sara A. Schmidt saschmidt8@gmail.com wrote: In response to Isabel's question "What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018?" I feel compelled to note that I sincerely hope the Montreal and Mexico City conferences will lead to more French and Spanish speakers volunteering to review for the DH conference.
As some of you may know, I set up accounts for reviewers in conftool back in the fall of 2006 and worked with a few Program Committee Chairs to add more reviewers paying particular attention to increasing the numbers of those willing to read the languages listed in the DH2007 and DH2008 cfps and particular attention to increasing the numbers of reviewers with expertise in certain subject areas where there was a need for additional reviewers. I'm still rather amazed that ADHO would list Chinese and Japanese in a cfp when they only had one reviewer willing and able to read those languages circa fall 2006 and Arabic when they didn't have a single reviewer capable of reading Arabic. Okay, technically the cfp did state that authors were supposed to provide an English language translation of their abstracts, but as I would have anticipated not everyone noted that they were supposed to provide an English translation. Consequently the DH2007 PC Chair ended up needing to have some Russian abstracts translated by a member of the PC Committee because he not only didn't have enough reviewers capable of reading Russian circa fall 2006, he also didn't know which reviewers could read Russian.
While I did manage to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read languages other than English and to add information regarding languages reviewers were willing to read into conftool abet in a less than ideal way, there was still a need for far more work to be done in my opinion. While I know ADHO has since moved to issuing open calls for reviewers, my witnessing one while still working on the database suggested to me that open calls work to increase the number of individuals in the same country as the PC Chair (since they are more likely to see and respond to the call as soon as it is sent out) and the number of North Americans (since there a number of North Americans who will tweet and retweet the calls for reviewers so they reach their North American colleagues).
My understanding is that there should be an open call for reviewers before the next conference. I would strongly encourage members of the GO:DH community to share that call with their colleagues especially those colleagues who would be willing to read abstracts in any languages other than English. Even if a particular language isn't listed in the cfp for DH2016, there is always a chance that someone might turn in an abstract dealing with texts in that particular language and in my opinion it would be very helpful for the PC Chair to have the opportunity to assign the abstract to at least one reviewer who can read that language. I also honestly believe that having a more linguistically and culturally diverse pool of reviewers is very beneficial for the conference.
I would also note that I know in the pre-DH2007 period there was a willingness to allow reviewers to volunteer to review abstracts in languages other than English without requiring them to review English language abstracts. I wish the powers that be were still allowing this as I feel it might be easier to increase the numbers of reviewers willing to read certain languages if one allowed them to choose to only read abstracts in their first language. There also was a willingness to let reviewers provide comments for authors in the language the abstract was submitted in as long as they also provided some feedback for the PC in English as well.
Sara Schmidt
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:46 PM, igalina igalina@unam.mx wrote: Dear All, I would like to join in and celebrate the fact that you invited us all to contribute to the document. I am sorry that due to the short time span and personal workload I was unable to contribute to the document.
I think there is a general agreement that the AHDO structure is currently not flexible or inclusive enough and recent episodes are a reflection of this. I am not quite sure though what I would like ADHO to look like and how it should function. At present there seems to be a division between a national/regional approach and a linguistic one (sometimes they are the same but not always). As it stands currently the structure doesn't make much sense, and it doesn't seem very fair in terms of decision making. However, I think that the groups, in particular this one, are in place for us to have discussions about this. The RedHD is not a CO or part of a CO. Where do we fit in in all of this? What are the different options for participating? How do we relate not only to ADHO but to other DH associations both official and 'un-official' or emerging? What role can having the DH conference in Mexico City have in 2018? I think that one of the most important issues, regardless of how one becomes associated to ADHO, is how the agenda is decided and discussed. Association should not mean assimilation. Sorry if my ideas are not very developed but I did want to write and say how important I think this discussion is. Best, Isabel
Dra. Isabel Galina Russell Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliográficas, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) igalina@unam.mx @igalina
De: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca en nombre de Øyvind Eide lister@oeide.no Enviado: domingo, 29 de noviembre de 2015 02:28 p. m. Para: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community Asunto: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Dear Domenico,
Thank you for a clear and thorough reply. We may not agree on all aspects of history, nor on the details of the best (least bad) future organisation (should the power of Iceland be the same as the power of China? Maybe that is the least bad we can do), but I think we agree that ADHO must change into something easier to manage and more representative and inclusive. My take on this is to see what comes out of the current process for simplifying the structure of ADHO. If that indeed makes it better it gives us a starting point for further development and changes.
ADHO is a tool which is only meaningful as long as it makes sense to us, it should never become a goal in itself. For those working within the system that is always important to remember, it is so easy to make our tools our goals. For me ADHO still makes sense. We do good things with it and it is a place to meet.
I also believe that the free software concept of “gjørokrati” (do-ocracy in English?) is one aspect -- those who are willing to do work gets more influence. It has to be checked and limited by other bases for power, though.
Ha en fin kveld,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 20:51, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Dear Øyvind and everyone,
my observations referred initially to the quality and nature of the decision-making process that will lead ADHO to accept or not our suggestions. Then I extended my observations, in my usual polemic style, to ADHO political and institutional settings as a whole. I'm delighted to answer your question, but I would like to know if you think that spending hours on these proposals knowing that ADHO has no obligation to accept any of them is a part of a democratic exercise. Of course I believe it is better than nothing. But even octroyées constitutions were better than absolutism.
What I would prefer for our community is not a mystery and you can find it in dozens of articles, blog posts, emails, etc. I made public in the last fifteen years. What I think we need is a federation of national associations. Isn't that simple? Not perfect, of course, but a step forward.
I know that an elective political system is just one of the several features that defines and constitutes a democratic system. But what you call indirect democracy derives from the intrinsic limits of the ADHO initial project, i.e. to create an umbrella organization for what was already there -- at least in the visible horizon of a prevalently Anglophone community. I don't think that in those times it was a bad idea or that ADHO has done nothing so far to be more inclusive. However, that original bias remained. The structure was created to include existent associations (although recently the new Australasian association joined ADHO reaffirming the Anglophone majority). Other national European associations, like the Italian AIUCD and the German DDH, joined ADHO through the EADH. The result is that both the presence and the influence of Italian and German communities are in principle diluted comparing to other national communities. And how about the French and Spanish associations? Do we think these two communities will accept, like the German and the Italian associations, to be represented in ADHO by the EADH? (Incidentally, the process that led at least one of these two associations to join EADH was far from transparent, as members were not publicly consulted.)
I'm aware of present ADHO's efforts to reflect in its committees a power balance not just based on numbers, but that doesn't change the essence of the problem: inequality of representation. This inequality, unfortunately, it's a default condition of the present governance structure.
As I said and wrote many times, it is not acceptable that if I represent a national group in Europe I could join ADHO only through EADH, but if I am Mexican or Canadian I can join directly. It is like saying that if Turkey wants to join the EU has to join before Romania or Hungary. I'm aware that absurdities like these have historical reasons. But we are here to change and make our history, not to be subjects of it. So I'm really sorry for those friends and colleagues who spent a considerable amount of time, and in same cases most of their lifes, building and strengthening organizations like EADH, but in fact the same existence of such 'constituent organizations' makes today not possible to speak about a democratically representative DH international organization. What seems more serious is that the current governance structure prevents other regional and national groups to join ADHO freely and on equal basis preconditions.
I think it is just a matter of time: things soon or later will change also in DH, and new realities will substitute old ones. You may not agree with what I wrote so far, but what is clear is that present structures cannot accommodate the global explosion of DH. The sooner we'll realize this, the better for everyone.
Sorry for this lengthy reply.
Saluti a tutti
Domenico
Il 29/Nov/2015 13:56, "Øyvind Eide" lister@oeide.no ha scritto: Dear Domenico,
ADHO is an indirect democracy: there are six constituent organisations, with (I think all of them) elected boards. These boards select voting members to the ADHO Steering Committee.
Whether such an indirect structure can be called democratic is a question of how one defines democracy. But there are other organisations using a similar indirect structure that are claimed to be democratic.
Would you prefer to turn ADHO into an organisation with personal membership and a Steering Committee elected on a one person-one vote basis?
Regards,
Øyvind
On 29. nov. 2015, at 06:38, Domenico Fiormonte wrote:
Hi Élika and everyone,
I just realized that I've inserted in the intercultural etc. document some proposals and reflections that are quite general and concern also governance and other topics. Just feel free to move them around if you think they make any sense.
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to discuss these issues in a collective way. But the fact that ADHO can either accept or reject these suggestions reminds me of a situation similar to XVII-XVIII century Europe where kings and rulers could or could not accept the proposals made by elected or partially elected assemblies. So once again I like to call a spade a spade: ADHO it is not a democratic organization. We can put as much effort as we wish in drafting our proposals and pushing our requests, but the reality is that our action can be considered, in the best case, what constitutional experts would call a form of 'moral persuasion'. So I'm afraid we are not still equal on this (digital humanities) world.
Sorry for being out of line with this. But there is no other way to defend democracy in these days except to start applying it.
Domenico Il 29/Nov/2015 06:46, "Élika Ortega" elikaortega@gmail.com ha scritto: Dear all,
This is the link to part 1 of the document we're working on Governance and Mentorship that Alex Gil and I prepared.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uM7ePK-SRCqvI8axCKZnykg4H3WBHDAIeUHWd3rL...
Please, feel free to add and comment.
All best, Élika
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Daniel O'Donnell daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote: Hi all,
Earlier this week, ADHO announced a change in leadership as John Nerbonne stepped down as ADHO chair and Karina van Dalen-Oskam was elected as interim chair (the announcement is here: http://adho.org/announcements/2015/adho-announces-new-steering-committee-cha...). As part of the announcement, Karina called for a discussion on inter-cultural communication:
"The first thing I have asked the Steering Committee to do, is to establish a protocol or a set of rules/guidelines for dealing with these fundamental cultural issues. We will not be the only organization that runs into this kind of problems. I have asked all members of the Steering Committee to do some research, and I would welcome input from others as well. Can you find guidelines that we could adopt/adapt for ADHO? Do colleagues from other international organizations have suggestions based on their own experience? Are there policy makers who can help? "
This is something GO::DH can contribute to: it is closely related to our core interest AND we have actually discussed parts of this in our early days (see for example, the discussion involving some of these emails: http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-April/000319.html http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000163.htm... http://listserv.uleth.ca/pipermail/globaloutlookdh-l/2013-January/000188.htm...
At our meeting today, the executive decided to lead development of a GO::DH response to Karina's call. Because of the time limitations, we will not be able to have a full membership development and approval process (it is due Nov. 30th), though we may want to develop the interim statement further using that process after it is submitted to ADHO. For this reason it will be submitted formally as a document of the executive (and any additional authors) and as specifically reflecting their views rather than those of the SIG as a whole.
But we would very much to develop this as openly and as broadly as possible within those constraints.
To do this, we will be developing and writing the document openly in Google Docs between now and Sunday. We have divided our response into three sections: • Recognising and Accommodating Barriers to Participation (Lead editor: Gimena del Rio) • Best practice in governance and mentorship (Lead editors: Alex Gil and Élika Ortega • Best practice in inter-cultural language use and communication (Lead editors: Daniel O'Donnell and Øyvind Eide). Each of the editors will be sharing a link to a Google doc specifically for their section with the list in the next couple of hours. In the document, they will collect notes and points and examples (and ask you to help with your ideas). On Sunday morning, we will then lock the documents down and edit them into a narrative (it is because of time pressure that we will institute this lock down; this lock-down and the lack of time for followup consultation is also why, in the end, it will be submitted as a document of the executive rather than the SIG as a whole).
In keeping with the GO::DH ethos, we encourage people to contribute in whatever language you feel most comfortable in and let the editors figure out how to combine the bits and pieces. Our final document will be submitted in three forms: an original language narrative written in the languages the editors feel most comfortable in (probably English and Spanish for the most part), an English-language, lingua franca translation for wide dissemination, and, as Karina has indicated that her first choice would be for Dutch, a Dutch-language submission copy.
Let me emphasis the extent to which we welcome your ideas on these topics and invite you to contribute to the formulation of our response. It may also make sense to use the list as a way of conversationally developing ideas under these topics as well, so please feel free to contribute ideas that way, as well, again in whatever language you feel most appropriate.
-dan
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This all makes sense. The Actions section of the "Language and intercultural communication" part of GO::DH's missive to ADHO SC seems like a great set of what Alex refers to as terms of engagement below.
-Vika
Dear All
I was tied up with teaching and other matters last week and haven't been able to contribute so far to this very interesting set of exchanges.
Just a brief note about conference reviewers. I put out a call for reviewers when I was programme chair of DH 2012 (in Hamburg) with the specific aim of increasing geographic and linguistic coverage (no difference in criteria were applied then, nor should they be now). There was, then at least, no clear consensus in ADHO about how reviewers should be selected - and it was very much down to the chair each year. Anecdotal evidence suggested that there were fairly significant differences from year to year, reflecting perhaps the differences in how the field operates in different academic and geographic domains (should reviewers have a PhD? Should they have formal academic posts? Should they have published/'built' something deemed relevant to the field etc etc).
The thing that struck me at the time was that the reaction to the call in 2012 was positive, but I had a disproportionately high number of requests from people at U.S. institutions, and in spite of some fairly proactive encouragement I didn't get the flood of reviewers in Spanish, French and other languages I'd hoped to achieve, to balance things up a bit. Doubtless I made mistakes, and sadly GO::DH didn't exist then, but the feedback I had at the time led me to believe that there are a whole host of issues which need to be addressed, things like: cultural differences regarding putting yourself forward (much akin to Marin Dacos's comment about self-referencing in his essay 'La stratégie du Sauna finlandais'); different motivations (depending on which academic culture they work in, people do not have the same disposable time, nor do they get equal credit for volunteering their time in this way); not to mention of course the long-recognised issue of the unwritten (if not always consistent) models for how an international DH conference abstract should be written.
In summary: I never heard anyone apply different rules by linguistic group in my years on the programme committee, but there were implicit differences which encouraged a bias in the makeup of reviewers, and which need to be addressed on numerous levels.
I realise that this is too late this time round, but I'd be happy to give feedback in future discussions.
Best Paul
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Hi Paul,
Do you want to cut and paste this into the comments on one of the Google Docs? I or one of the others can open them back up to comment and it is clear that people are using the comments there as a canonical repository of experiences and ideas like this.
-dan
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 at 04:54 Spence, Paul paul.spence@kcl.ac.uk wrote:
Dear All
I was tied up with teaching and other matters last week and haven’t been able to contribute so far to this very interesting set of exchanges.
Just a brief note about conference reviewers. I put out a call for reviewers when I was programme chair of DH 2012 (in Hamburg) with the specific aim of increasing geographic and linguistic coverage (no difference in criteria were applied then, nor should they be now). There was, then at least, no clear consensus in ADHO about how reviewers should be selected – and it was very much down to the chair each year. Anecdotal evidence suggested that there were fairly significant differences from year to year, reflecting perhaps the differences in how the field operates in different academic and geographic domains (should reviewers have a PhD? Should they have formal academic posts? Should they have published/’built’ something deemed relevant to the field etc etc).
The thing that struck me at the time was that the reaction to the call in 2012 was positive, but I had a disproportionately high number of requests from people at U.S. institutions, and in spite of some fairly proactive encouragement I didn’t get the flood of reviewers in Spanish, French and other languages I’d hoped to achieve, to balance things up a bit. Doubtless I made mistakes, and sadly GO::DH didn’t exist then, but the feedback I had at the time led me to believe that there are a whole host of issues which need to be addressed, things like: cultural differences regarding putting yourself forward (much akin to Marin Dacos’s comment about self-referencing in his essay ‘La stratégie du Sauna finlandais’); different motivations (depending on which academic culture they work in, people do not have the same disposable time, nor do they get equal credit for volunteering their time in this way); not to mention of course the long-recognised issue of the unwritten (if not always consistent) models for how an international DH conference abstract should be written.
In summary: I never heard anyone apply different rules by linguistic group in my years on the programme committee, but there were implicit differences which encouraged a bias in the makeup of reviewers, and which need to be addressed on numerous levels.
I realise that this is too late this time round, but I’d be happy to give feedback in future discussions.
Best
Paul
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Sure – I just didn’t want to mess up your document since I know the deadline had already passed.
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From: globaloutlookdh-l [mailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca] On Behalf Of Daniel O'Donnell Sent: 07 December 2015 17:31 To: A list for participants in the ADHO DH Global Outlook Community globaloutlookdh-l@uleth.ca Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] GO::DH response to ADHO Change in Chair and Call for Recommendations on inter-cultural communication
Hi Paul, Do you want to cut and paste this into the comments on one of the Google Docs? I or one of the others can open them back up to comment and it is clear that people are using the comments there as a canonical repository of experiences and ideas like this. -dan
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 at 04:54 Spence, Paul <paul.spence@kcl.ac.ukmailto:paul.spence@kcl.ac.uk> wrote: Dear All
I was tied up with teaching and other matters last week and haven’t been able to contribute so far to this very interesting set of exchanges.
Just a brief note about conference reviewers. I put out a call for reviewers when I was programme chair of DH 2012 (in Hamburg) with the specific aim of increasing geographic and linguistic coverage (no difference in criteria were applied then, nor should they be now). There was, then at least, no clear consensus in ADHO about how reviewers should be selected – and it was very much down to the chair each year. Anecdotal evidence suggested that there were fairly significant differences from year to year, reflecting perhaps the differences in how the field operates in different academic and geographic domains (should reviewers have a PhD? Should they have formal academic posts? Should they have published/’built’ something deemed relevant to the field etc etc).
The thing that struck me at the time was that the reaction to the call in 2012 was positive, but I had a disproportionately high number of requests from people at U.S. institutions, and in spite of some fairly proactive encouragement I didn’t get the flood of reviewers in Spanish, French and other languages I’d hoped to achieve, to balance things up a bit. Doubtless I made mistakes, and sadly GO::DH didn’t exist then, but the feedback I had at the time led me to believe that there are a whole host of issues which need to be addressed, things like: cultural differences regarding putting yourself forward (much akin to Marin Dacos’s comment about self-referencing in his essay ‘La stratégie du Sauna finlandais’); different motivations (depending on which academic culture they work in, people do not have the same disposable time, nor do they get equal credit for volunteering their time in this way); not to mention of course the long-recognised issue of the unwritten (if not always consistent) models for how an international DH conference abstract should be written.
In summary: I never heard anyone apply different rules by linguistic group in my years on the programme committee, but there were implicit differences which encouraged a bias in the makeup of reviewers, and which need to be addressed on numerous levels.
I realise that this is too late this time round, but I’d be happy to give feedback in future discussions.
Best Paul
---------------------------------------- Paul Spence Senior Lecturer Department Education Lead / Programme Convenor MA in Digitial Humanities Department of Digital Humanities King's College London 26-29 Drury Lane London WC2B 5RL
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