Hi Roopika,

(As a clarification: I addressed the message to Alex because he sent the first message, but sent it to the whole list hoping someone would answer. Thanks to you as well for drafting the document shared previously).

Perhaps then the best idea would be to keep the conversation about this document on this thread?

I really liked the independent proposal.

My understanding is that under that model GO::DH would not be a membership organisation where members pay fees. Is my understanding correct?

If it were so this would match the 'minimal' model and perhaps help us focus on the tasks we want to focus on and avoid the pitfalls and grey areas that normally murk the work of learned societies and professional associations.

All the best,

Ernesto

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On 16 October 2017 at 11:16, Roopika Risam rrisam@gmail.com wrote:

Ernesto,

I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.

Roopika

-- Roopika Risam, PhD Assistant Professor of English Chair, Program Area for Content Education Salem State University http://roopikarisam.com

On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you for this, Alex.

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?

Thank you!

Ernesto

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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:

...

Dear all,

As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we should leave ADHO https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BBq-mXnzJgw_5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s/edit?usp=sharing. The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc.

A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations.

After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way."

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair.

All best, Alex.

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Thank you, Alex.

"Independence will always mean no membership fees, and its corollary: community work. If we are to have the renewed life we envision. A return to debate and community projects that we want to do. An executive composed of equal and guaranteed representation from geographical areas of the planet—probably based on the areas we used for *around dh*, though we can keep ourselves liquid through clever protocols. The only requisite of the executive would be that you take a task. We also use the NYC-DH model I developed with others, which depends on the notion of "minimal effort, maximum impact," which is a way of saying well distributed labor. These models only work where there is inspiration and will—that's when we find the time. Our future energy source can be our desire to make ourselves visible to each other in several directions at once, and the force that comes from well-designed projects and ideas."

I love it.

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On 16 October 2017 at 12:30, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:

Exactly, Ernesto! Independence will always mean no membership fees, and its corollary: community work. If we are to have the renewed life we envision. A return to debate and community projects that we want to do. An executive composed of equal and guaranteed representation from geographical areas of the planet—probably based on the areas we used for *around dh*, though we can keep ourselves liquid through clever protocols. The only requisite of the executive would be that you take a task. We also use the NYC-DH model I developed with others, which depends on the notion of "minimal effort, maximum impact," which is a way of saying well distributed labor. These models only work where there is inspiration and will—that's when we find the time. Our future energy source can be our desire to make ourselves visible to each other in several directions at once, and the force that comes from well-designed projects and ideas.

And yes, I would like deliberations with ALL the members and this is the best place to have it, even this thread since we already started. We can start deliberating this model before the advocates of the other model have a chance to jump in with theirs, but we should keep in mind that their argument is also good, and deserves a good hearing.

Godspeed to all of us, a.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 6:30 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hi Roopika,

(As a clarification: I addressed the message to Alex because he sent the first message, but sent it to the whole list hoping someone would answer. Thanks to you as well for drafting the document shared previously).

Perhaps then the best idea would be to keep the conversation about this document on this thread?

I really liked the independent proposal.

My understanding is that under that model GO::DH would not be a membership organisation where members pay fees. Is my understanding correct?

If it were so this would match the 'minimal' model and perhaps help us focus on the tasks we want to focus on and avoid the pitfalls and grey areas that normally murk the work of learned societies and professional associations.

All the best,

Ernesto

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On 16 October 2017 at 11:16, Roopika Risam rrisam@gmail.com wrote:

...

Ernesto,

I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.

Roopika

-- Roopika Risam, PhD Assistant Professor of English Chair, Program Area for Content Education Salem State University http://roopikarisam.com

On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you for this, Alex.

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?

Thank you!

Ernesto

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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:

...

Dear all,

As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we should leave ADHO https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BBq-mXnzJgw_5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s/edit?usp=sharing. The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc.

A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations.

After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way."

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair.

All best, Alex.

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Martin - I take your point, though I disagree.

Alex and I have been talking about a flat, non-hierarchical executive structure, where anyone who is a "lead" on a particular activity or project would be a member of the executive (this along with representatives from across the world, who would also be leads on activities and projects as well). This is a move away from our current model, where executive membership is nominal, at best. We have tried to move the current executive in the direction of taking active roles, but I think we have a pressing need to resolve the question of the future of GO::DH first.

In this independence scenario, "executive" would simply connote those who are actively engaged in GO::DH projects - and anyone could be on the executive simply by proposing and leading a project. This isn't an executive in the ADHO sense or even in the sense that it functions as most professional organizations. That's a positive in my book, and very much in the spirt of GO::DH as it was conceived.

Roopika

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Martin Grandjean martin.grandjean@unil.ch wrote:

Dear all,

To respond just to this quote about independence (because I’m too much involved in our associations to pronounce myself on ADHO etc.), isn’t it exactly the opposite of the community we are looking for?

As we all know, the regularly "active" people on this list are only very few, and these people will probably be involved in the proposed executive. As a result, this change will not change anything at all. This "independence" would therefore take on a different meaning: this executive is likely to become independent from its community if this one is not strongly involved (by a membership i.e., but other means probably exist).

All these thoughts are very good, but they take a political turn before even clarifying who/what we are. I don’t see any interest in addressing the governance issue before addressing the community issue: for many of us, being part of GO::DH is simply following the discussions of a dozen activists. Is it the diversity we want? If diversity is only a political issue to change our institutions, then we should certainly act within them. If not, we must build a community, not create a small working group that is more or less representative but not relayed.

That is my modest contribution/reaction. Let the "non-active" (like me) prove that I am wrong and do not leave this important discussion to our usual contributors (whom I appreciate as everyone here, obviously, and thanks for their work).

All the best, Martin

On 16 Oct 2017, at 14:09, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you, Alex.

"Independence will always mean no membership fees, and its corollary: community work. If we are to have the renewed life we envision. A return to debate and community projects that we want to do. An executive composed of equal and guaranteed representation from geographical areas of the planet—probably based on the areas we used for *around dh*, though we can keep ourselves liquid through clever protocols. The only requisite of the executive would be that you take a task. We also use the NYC-DH model I developed with others, which depends on the notion of "minimal effort, maximum impact," which is a way of saying well distributed labor. These models only work where there is inspiration and will—that's when we find the time. Our future energy source can be our desire to make ourselves visible to each other in several directions at once, and the force that comes from well-designed projects and ideas."

I love it.

What do the rest of the list think?

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On 16 October 2017 at 12:30, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:

...

Exactly, Ernesto! Independence will always mean no membership fees, and its corollary: community work. If we are to have the renewed life we envision. A return to debate and community projects that we want to do. An executive composed of equal and guaranteed representation from geographical areas of the planet—probably based on the areas we used for *around dh*, though we can keep ourselves liquid through clever protocols. The only requisite of the executive would be that you take a task. We also use the NYC-DH model I developed with others, which depends on the notion of "minimal effort, maximum impact," which is a way of saying well distributed labor. These models only work where there is inspiration and will—that's when we find the time. Our future energy source can be our desire to make ourselves visible to each other in several directions at once, and the force that comes from well-designed projects and ideas.

And yes, I would like deliberations with ALL the members and this is the best place to have it, even this thread since we already started. We can start deliberating this model before the advocates of the other model have a chance to jump in with theirs, but we should keep in mind that their argument is also good, and deserves a good hearing.

Godspeed to all of us, a.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 6:30 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hi Roopika,

(As a clarification: I addressed the message to Alex because he sent the first message, but sent it to the whole list hoping someone would answer. Thanks to you as well for drafting the document shared previously).

Perhaps then the best idea would be to keep the conversation about this document on this thread?

I really liked the independent proposal.

My understanding is that under that model GO::DH would not be a membership organisation where members pay fees. Is my understanding correct?

If it were so this would match the 'minimal' model and perhaps help us focus on the tasks we want to focus on and avoid the pitfalls and grey areas that normally murk the work of learned societies and professional associations.

All the best,

Ernesto

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On 16 October 2017 at 11:16, Roopika Risam rrisam@gmail.com wrote:

...

Ernesto,

I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.

Roopika

-- Roopika Risam, PhD Assistant Professor of English Chair, Program Area for Content Education Salem State University http://roopikarisam.com

On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you for this, Alex.

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?

Thank you!

Ernesto

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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:

...

Dear all,

As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we should leave ADHO https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BBq-mXnzJgw_5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s/edit?usp=sharing. The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc.

A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations.

After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way."

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair.

All best, Alex.

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Dear all,

I was unaware that ADHO had demanded that GO::DH had to charge membership fees. My impression was that we could get the benefits of being a CO (including funding from ADHO), *without* having to pay membership fees. When was the demand that we pay fees made?

Best,

BB

On 16/10/2017 06:09, Ernesto Priego wrote:

Thank you, Alex.

"Independence will always mean no membership fees, and its corollary: community work. If we are to have the renewed life we envision. A return to debate and community projects that we want to do. An executive composed of equal and guaranteed representation from geographical areas of the planet—probably based on the areas we used for /around dh/, though we can keep ourselves liquid through clever protocols. The only requisite of the executive would be that you take a task. We also use the NYC-DH model I developed with others, which depends on the notion of "minimal effort, maximum impact," which is a way of saying well distributed labor. These models only work where there is inspiration and will—that's when we find the time. Our future energy source can be our desire to make ourselves visible to each other in several directions at once, and the force that comes from well-designed projects and ideas."

I love it.

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On 16 October 2017 at 12:30, Alex Gil <colibri.alex@gmail.com mailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com> wrote:

Exactly, Ernesto! Independence will always mean no membership
fees, and its corollary: community work. If we are to have the
renewed life we envision. A return to debate and community
projects that we want to do. An executive composed of equal and
guaranteed representation from geographical areas of the
planet—probably based on the areas we used for /around dh/, though
we can keep ourselves liquid through clever protocols. The only
requisite of the executive would be that you take a task. We also
use the NYC-DH model I developed with others, which depends on the
notion of "minimal effort, maximum impact," which is a way of
saying well distributed labor. These models only work where there
is inspiration and will—that's when we find the time. Our future
energy source can be our desire to make ourselves visible to each
other in several directions at once, and the force that comes from
well-designed projects and ideas.

And yes, I would like deliberations with ALL the members and this
is the best place to have it, even this thread since we already
started. We can start deliberating this model before the advocates
of the other model have a chance to jump in with theirs, but we
should keep in mind that their argument is also good, and deserves
a good hearing.

Godspeed to all of us,
a.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 6:30 AM, Ernesto Priego
<efpriego@gmail.com <mailto:efpriego@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Hi Roopika,

    (As a clarification: I addressed the message to Alex because
    he sent the first message, but sent it to the whole list
    hoping someone would answer. Thanks to you as well for
    drafting the document shared previously).

    Perhaps then the best idea would be to keep the conversation
    about this document on this thread?

    I really liked the independent proposal.

    My understanding is that under that model GO::DH would not be
    a membership organisation where members pay fees. Is my
    understanding correct?

    If it were so this would match the 'minimal' model and perhaps
    help us focus on the tasks we want to focus on and avoid the
    pitfalls and grey areas that normally murk the work of learned
    societies and professional associations.

    All the best,

    Ernesto


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        Ernesto,

        I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members,
        so I would argue that the conversation should happen
        however the members will it.

        Roopika

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        On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego
        <efpriego@gmail.com <mailto:efpriego@gmail.com>> wrote:

...

        Thank you for this, Alex.

        We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for
        deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and
        executive members to debate on the list what you would
        like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion,
        comments, will be taken into consideration as the
        executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

        Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in
        reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you
        prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?

        Thank you!

        Ernesto


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        On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil
        <colibri.alex@gmail.com <mailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com>>
        wrote:

            Dear all,

            As promised, here is the document with the argument
            for why we should leave ADHO
            <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BBq-mXnzJgw_5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s/edit?usp=sharing>.
            The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and
            me, but those in support can add their own rationales
            and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are
            in the Google Doc.

            A second argument will be prepared by those who
            support the idea of becoming a Constituent
            Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada),
            Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA)
            have signaled they would be interested in drafting
            such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later,
            so we can proceed with deliberations.

            After the second argument is made, a third argument
            is possible if enough members feel there should be a
            middle path, or a "third way."

            We should have a collective deadline of December 1
            for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general
            and executive members to debate on the list what you
            would like to see GO::DH become. All of your
            discussion, comments, will be taken into
            consideration as the executive votes on a final
            decision by December 15.

            We will announce the results of the process before
            the year ends, and hopefully move forward with
            renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next
            year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who
            will carry out our collective will, but will help in
            the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair.

            All best,
            Alex.






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Hello all,

It seems a large part of this discussion is not about ADHO, but rather about if we think our goals are best accomplished in an organizational structure. In some ways putting GO::DH into a large organization like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a very grass roots organization that resisted hierarchies, committees, officers, etc. and rather used social media and loose collaborations to create some sort of a movement or to create small projects. To me we are much more like a social movement, a political movement, than we are a typical academic organization. I think we are at a moment where we need to figure out if such a beginning should be contained within an organization for positive benefits, reject such organizational structures as antithetical to our goals or to come up with some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking about the issue as less about ADHO and more in this structural way has helped me to consider what might be at stake and where we might go.

Best,

Amy

Amy E. Earhart Associate Professor of English Texas A&M University

From: globaloutlookdh-l <globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca mailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca> on behalf of Roopika Risam <rrisam@gmail.com mailto:rrisam@gmail.com> Sent: October 16, 2017 4:16 To: globaloutlookdh-l, MailList Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] Why we should leave ADHO, go minimal and return to the planet.

Ernesto,

I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.

Roopika

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On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego <efpriego@gmail.com mailto:efpriego@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thank you for this, Alex.

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?

Thank you!

Ernesto

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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil <colibri.alex@gmail.com mailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com> wrote: Dear all,

As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we should leave ADHO https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1BBq-2DmXnzJgw-5F5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=73InZUBn6feW_NnsRKa9QhqWZVq3M7z5CAMW6JU_LMc&e=. The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc.

A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations.

After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way."

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair.

All best, Alex.

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Dear Alex,

Thank you for putting my name forward. Of course, as always, I am willing to work with Dan and others in making this case. However, I would like to be assured that that the decision will not be only in the hands of the executive, but the whole of the GO::DH membership. After all, this is precisely what you have been proposing, right?

Best,

BB

On 16/10/2017 17:48, Alex Gil wrote:

Thank you all,

Real quick, so I don't interrupt your conversation too much. Dan, would you be amenable to making your argument into a Google Doc? Perhaps Glen and Barbara would like to add. Just so that we can keep organized.

That's all, Please continue. This will be enormously helpful for the executive committee when it comes time to make a decision. As always feel free to write in the language you are comfortable in. We will figure it out.

a.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Amy Earhart <aearhart@tamu.edu mailto:aearhart@tamu.edu> wrote:

Hello all,

It seems a large part of this discussion is not about ADHO, but
rather about if we think our goals are best accomplished in an
organizational structure. In some ways putting GO::DH into a large
organization like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a very
grass roots organization that resisted hierarchies, committees,
officers, etc. and rather used social media and loose
collaborations to create some sort of a movement or to create
small projects. To me we are much more like a social movement, a
political movement, than we are a typical academic organization. I
think we are at a moment where we need to figure out if such a
beginning should be contained within an organization for positive
benefits, reject such organizational structures as antithetical to
our goals or to come up with some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking
about the issue as less about ADHO and more in this structural way
has helped me to consider what might be at stake and where we
might go.

Best,

Amy


Amy E. Earhart
Associate Professor of English
Texas A&M University

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*Subject:*Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] Why we should leave ADHO, go
minimal and return to the planet.
Ernesto,

I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I
would argue that the conversation should happen however the
members will it.

Roopika

--
Roopika Risam, PhD
Assistant Professor of English
Chair, Program Area for Content Education
Salem State University
http://roopikarisam.com
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On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego <efpriego@gmail.com
<mailto:efpriego@gmail.com>> wrote:

...

Thank you for this,  Alex.

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for
deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive
members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH
become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into
consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by
December 15.

Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply
to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a
different thread or even different threads?

Thank you!

Ernesto


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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil<colibri.alex@gmail.com
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    Dear all,

    As promised,here is the document with the argument for why
    we should leave ADHO
    <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1BBq-2DmXnzJgw-5F5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=73InZUBn6feW_NnsRKa9QhqWZVq3M7z5CAMW6JU_LMc&e=>.
    The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but
    those in support can add their own rationales and arguments,
    or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc.

    A second argument will be prepared by those who support the
    idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think
    Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and
    Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in
    drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than
    later, so we can proceed with deliberations.

    After the second argument is made, a third argument is
    possible if enough members feel there should be a middle
    path, or a "third way."

    We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for
    deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and
    executive members to debate on the list what you would like
    to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will
    be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a
    final decision by December 15.

    We will announce the results of the process before the year
    ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into
    the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the
    baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will,
    but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long
    as I'm chair.

    All best,
    Alex.






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Hi all,

I have read the contributions with interest. I have to confess I am a bit confused; maybe I'm not the only one?

It is apparent that members of the Executive know more about the genealogy of the 'independent' proposal and the ADHO changes and potential change to CO than other members of this list. Or maybe just me.

(Questions about this at the end of my message; a personal note before that).

Personally I like the 'independent' proposal, as a document, because it seeks to address the pitfalls we faced in the group creatively and in a way which is fit for purpose.

As I have expressed in the past a more formal arrangement tends to exclude many of us for different reasons. When I attempted being active in ADHO ad hoc committees, lack of funding, travel times, time zone differences and technological challenges put me at a disadvantage. Not all of us can take more than a week off in one go to attend pre-comference meetings and conference events abroad (often in places as expensive as Lausanne).

I have found myself mostly isolated in my criticism of the ADHO's deal with OUP for a paywalled journal that we through our universities have to then pay doubly -or is it triply?- so that we, our colleagues and students can access the work we produce. I would find it terribly depressing (if not antithetical) if GO::DH became a traditional 'CO' where only those with more relatively privileged conditions can have influence, and where members' fees would contribute to the ongoing paywalling and monopolisation of academic knowledge. This is why a 'minimal effort; big impact' would suit us better, in my opinion.

Now, re what I still find unclear...

Would it be possible for Alex and Roopika, and Harold and Dan, to share with the rest of us this 'geneaology'? What I find missing in the 'independent' proposal is the background, the explicit _why_ of the proposed change.

What I find missing or unclear in Harold's and Dan's is what the practical and financial implications would be, _who_ would receive money and how much and what for, and if GO::DH members would have to pay ADHO fees _and_ GO::DH fees.

Answers to these questions might help the rest of us understand the background as well as the potential future consequences. For example, if there is no consensus, who gets to _be_ GO::DH?

[Excuse typos and relative brevity. Touchtyped from my phone on my way to work]

All the best,

Ernesto

On 17 Oct 2017 03:08, "Alex Gil" colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you, Barbara. I wish nothing more than that.

In the spirit of democracy, I ask *all current executive members* to say they agree for this vote to take place on the membership. A simple majority is all we need. We do not need for the vote to take place in secret—nothing on the bylaws about that. The bylaws, on the other hand do encourage important issues to be polled by members:

"Individual members in good standing have the right to vote in GO::DH

...

elections and such issues as the Executive shall decide to poll the membership on."

*Just say aye if you agree.*

If the executive approves the passing of the poll, we will stick to our schedule, and vote on December 15. This gives us time to deliberate and secure a proper referendum, with an electoral officer assuring the standards of the proceedings.

a.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:02 PM, B. Bordalejo < barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.be> wrote:

...

Dear Alex,

Thank you for putting my name forward. Of course, as always, I am willing to work with Dan and others in making this case. However, I would like to be assured that that the decision will not be only in the hands of the executive, but the whole of the GO::DH membership. After all, this is precisely what you have been proposing, right?

Best,

BB

On 16/10/2017 17:48, Alex Gil wrote:

Thank you all,

Real quick, so I don't interrupt your conversation too much. Dan, would you be amenable to making your argument into a Google Doc? Perhaps Glen and Barbara would like to add. Just so that we can keep organized.

That's all, Please continue. This will be enormously helpful for the executive committee when it comes time to make a decision. As always feel free to write in the language you are comfortable in. We will figure it out.

a.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Amy Earhart aearhart@tamu.edu wrote:

...

Hello all,

It seems a large part of this discussion is not about ADHO, but rather about if we think our goals are best accomplished in an organizational structure. In some ways putting GO::DH into a large organization like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a very grass roots organization that resisted hierarchies, committees, officers, etc. and rather used social media and loose collaborations to create some sort of a movement or to create small projects. To me we are much more like a social movement, a political movement, than we are a typical academic organization. I think we are at a moment where we need to figure out if such a beginning should be contained within an organization for positive benefits, reject such organizational structures as antithetical to our goals or to come up with some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking about the issue as less about ADHO and more in this structural way has helped me to consider what might be at stake and where we might go.

Best,

Amy

Amy E. Earhart Associate Professor of English Texas A&M University

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Ernesto,

I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.

Roopika

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On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you for this, Alex.

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?

Thank you!

Ernesto

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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:

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Dear all,

As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we should leave ADHO https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1BBq-2DmXnzJgw-5F5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=73InZUBn6feW_NnsRKa9QhqWZVq3M7z5CAMW6JU_LMc&e=. The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc.

A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations.

After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way."

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair.

All best, Alex.

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Hi Ernesto,

Just a quick note to say, that despite Harold's message saying that I have been a part of the conversations to become a CO, I have not been directly involved in any of the conversations, though I've had many pleasant conversations with Harold about other matter. I never had a chance to talk to Harold in Montreal either. We never tried. Hi, Harold! The people are Dan, Élika, Roopika (I think, but not sure). Mostly Dan and Élika I think, but again, I'm not sure. This is not a flaw, it's just that I wasn't chair last year, and have always been busier doing other work for our community, with an intense focus on its projects.

I too, would like to learn more where we are with that, and I would like to know where ADHO is with that. Dan? Harold?

a.

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:

PS Also, I have to say I have not paid fees because I have not attended the conference since 2014 (yikes!) - I suppose that makes me a member who is not 'in good standing.' Should I have had to pay a fee before being able to participate in this group? Will I have to pay a fee to earn my right to be polled on the future of a group I have participated in since its inception? It's not a rhetorical question. I hope it helps illustrating the different meanings of being an active 'member' of a group, and the hidden costs that stop many people from participating actively in academia.

I'll shut up now. Carry on... ;)

On 17 Oct 2017 08:25, "Ernesto Priego" efpriego@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hi all,

I have read the contributions with interest. I have to confess I am a bit confused; maybe I'm not the only one?

It is apparent that members of the Executive know more about the genealogy of the 'independent' proposal and the ADHO changes and potential change to CO than other members of this list. Or maybe just me.

(Questions about this at the end of my message; a personal note before that).

Personally I like the 'independent' proposal, as a document, because it seeks to address the pitfalls we faced in the group creatively and in a way which is fit for purpose.

As I have expressed in the past a more formal arrangement tends to exclude many of us for different reasons. When I attempted being active in ADHO ad hoc committees, lack of funding, travel times, time zone differences and technological challenges put me at a disadvantage. Not all of us can take more than a week off in one go to attend pre-comference meetings and conference events abroad (often in places as expensive as Lausanne).

I have found myself mostly isolated in my criticism of the ADHO's deal with OUP for a paywalled journal that we through our universities have to then pay doubly -or is it triply?- so that we, our colleagues and students can access the work we produce. I would find it terribly depressing (if not antithetical) if GO::DH became a traditional 'CO' where only those with more relatively privileged conditions can have influence, and where members' fees would contribute to the ongoing paywalling and monopolisation of academic knowledge. This is why a 'minimal effort; big impact' would suit us better, in my opinion.

Now, re what I still find unclear...

Would it be possible for Alex and Roopika, and Harold and Dan, to share with the rest of us this 'geneaology'? What I find missing in the 'independent' proposal is the background, the explicit _why_ of the proposed change.

What I find missing or unclear in Harold's and Dan's is what the practical and financial implications would be, _who_ would receive money and how much and what for, and if GO::DH members would have to pay ADHO fees _and_ GO::DH fees.

Answers to these questions might help the rest of us understand the background as well as the potential future consequences. For example, if there is no consensus, who gets to _be_ GO::DH?

[Excuse typos and relative brevity. Touchtyped from my phone on my way to work]

All the best,

Ernesto

On 17 Oct 2017 03:08, "Alex Gil" colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:

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Thank you, Barbara. I wish nothing more than that.

In the spirit of democracy, I ask *all current executive members* to say they agree for this vote to take place on the membership. A simple majority is all we need. We do not need for the vote to take place in secret—nothing on the bylaws about that. The bylaws, on the other hand do encourage important issues to be polled by members:

"Individual members in good standing have the right to vote in GO::DH

...

elections and such issues as the Executive shall decide to poll the membership on."

*Just say aye if you agree.*

If the executive approves the passing of the poll, we will stick to our schedule, and vote on December 15. This gives us time to deliberate and secure a proper referendum, with an electoral officer assuring the standards of the proceedings.

a.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:02 PM, B. Bordalejo < barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.be> wrote:

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Dear Alex,

Thank you for putting my name forward. Of course, as always, I am willing to work with Dan and others in making this case. However, I would like to be assured that that the decision will not be only in the hands of the executive, but the whole of the GO::DH membership. After all, this is precisely what you have been proposing, right?

Best,

BB

On 16/10/2017 17:48, Alex Gil wrote:

Thank you all,

Real quick, so I don't interrupt your conversation too much. Dan, would you be amenable to making your argument into a Google Doc? Perhaps Glen and Barbara would like to add. Just so that we can keep organized.

That's all, Please continue. This will be enormously helpful for the executive committee when it comes time to make a decision. As always feel free to write in the language you are comfortable in. We will figure it out.

a.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Amy Earhart aearhart@tamu.edu wrote:

...

Hello all,

It seems a large part of this discussion is not about ADHO, but rather about if we think our goals are best accomplished in an organizational structure. In some ways putting GO::DH into a large organization like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a very grass roots organization that resisted hierarchies, committees, officers, etc. and rather used social media and loose collaborations to create some sort of a movement or to create small projects. To me we are much more like a social movement, a political movement, than we are a typical academic organization. I think we are at a moment where we need to figure out if such a beginning should be contained within an organization for positive benefits, reject such organizational structures as antithetical to our goals or to come up with some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking about the issue as less about ADHO and more in this structural way has helped me to consider what might be at stake and where we might go.

Best,

Amy

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Ernesto,

I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.

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On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you for this, Alex.

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?

Thank you!

Ernesto

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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:

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Dear all,

As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we should leave ADHO https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1BBq-2DmXnzJgw-5F5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=73InZUBn6feW_NnsRKa9QhqWZVq3M7z5CAMW6JU_LMc&e=. The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc.

A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations.

After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way."

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair.

All best, Alex.

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Well said,

A quick note to the current executive, that a move in this direction will imply work.

Also, *please let us know if you agree to have the membership vote on it*. We only need a simple majority. Your silence will let me know that you prefer to take it to the committee. That's fine too.

a.

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 6:51 PM, O'Donnell, Dan daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote:

As far as I'm aware, we just broached the idea and people went away thinking about it. The route to CO-hood, if that's something, is via direct discussion and timelines. There's an admissions committee that discusses how it might make sense and how a group might fit in--every group is special in some way. And then after the agreement is made, it joins. At least that's my understanding.

In my experience, it is really quite a pleasant thing. It provides an opportunity to think through who and what you are with a group that on the whole in my experience are eager to adapt to new groups.

In our case, we haven't really done anything beyond wondering if it was possible, because nobody has really been authorised to do any more. That's why my own personal opinion is that it is premature to say it wouldn't work for us. I don't think we've really investigated and what informal discussions we've had have been very constructive and flexible.

I think that's the only thing where I'd differ with some things that have been said. In my experience, ADHO and especially the admissions committee is one of the more flexible organisations I've dealt with. Every organisation that joins it has had a custom agreement in some way (and as I said, they created the category of SIG for us when we asked). And its internal structure and organisation has repeatedly turned around and inside on itself in response to these changes. It was one thing when it was only ALLC and ACH; then it was something else when it was only ALLC, ACH, and SDH-SEMI (the Canadians), the something else again when GO::DH joined as a SIG and CentreNet as a CO, and then so on right through to Humanistica today.

There's a lot to be said for both views I think. And my experience is not necessarily the same as others (and there have been some real issues in the past year or so, though I think there was a great rush to try and address them). But my experience nevertheless has been that the choice is not between an inflexible monolithic "other" and ourselves; it is really just a question of whether we want to see if joining ADHO as a CO parallel to the ACH, EADH, CSDH-SCHN, and so on is worthwhile (before decide yea or nay) or whether we are sure enough of what we are to say that no possible arrangement would be as good as minimal independence.

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*From:* globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca on behalf of Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com *Sent:* October 17, 2017 5:59

*To:* globaloutlookdh-l, MailList *Subject:* Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] Why we should leave ADHO, go minimal and return to the planet.

Hi Ernesto,

Just a quick note to say, that despite Harold's message saying that I have been a part of the conversations to become a CO, I have not been directly involved in any of the conversations, though I've had many pleasant conversations with Harold about other matter. I never had a chance to talk to Harold in Montreal either. We never tried. Hi, Harold! The people are Dan, Élika, Roopika (I think, but not sure). Mostly Dan and Élika I think, but again, I'm not sure. This is not a flaw, it's just that I wasn't chair last year, and have always been busier doing other work for our community, with an intense focus on its projects.

I too, would like to learn more where we are with that, and I would like to know where ADHO is with that. Dan? Harold?

a.

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:

...

PS Also, I have to say I have not paid fees because I have not attended the conference since 2014 (yikes!) - I suppose that makes me a member who is not 'in good standing.' Should I have had to pay a fee before being able to participate in this group? Will I have to pay a fee to earn my right to be polled on the future of a group I have participated in since its inception? It's not a rhetorical question. I hope it helps illustrating the different meanings of being an active 'member' of a group, and the hidden costs that stop many people from participating actively in academia.

I'll shut up now. Carry on... ;)

On 17 Oct 2017 08:25, "Ernesto Priego" efpriego@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hi all,

I have read the contributions with interest. I have to confess I am a bit confused; maybe I'm not the only one?

It is apparent that members of the Executive know more about the genealogy of the 'independent' proposal and the ADHO changes and potential change to CO than other members of this list. Or maybe just me.

(Questions about this at the end of my message; a personal note before that).

Personally I like the 'independent' proposal, as a document, because it seeks to address the pitfalls we faced in the group creatively and in a way which is fit for purpose.

As I have expressed in the past a more formal arrangement tends to exclude many of us for different reasons. When I attempted being active in ADHO ad hoc committees, lack of funding, travel times, time zone differences and technological challenges put me at a disadvantage. Not all of us can take more than a week off in one go to attend pre-comference meetings and conference events abroad (often in places as expensive as Lausanne).

I have found myself mostly isolated in my criticism of the ADHO's deal with OUP for a paywalled journal that we through our universities have to then pay doubly -or is it triply?- so that we, our colleagues and students can access the work we produce. I would find it terribly depressing (if not antithetical) if GO::DH became a traditional 'CO' where only those with more relatively privileged conditions can have influence, and where members' fees would contribute to the ongoing paywalling and monopolisation of academic knowledge. This is why a 'minimal effort; big impact' would suit us better, in my opinion.

Now, re what I still find unclear...

Would it be possible for Alex and Roopika, and Harold and Dan, to share with the rest of us this 'geneaology'? What I find missing in the 'independent' proposal is the background, the explicit _why_ of the proposed change.

What I find missing or unclear in Harold's and Dan's is what the practical and financial implications would be, _who_ would receive money and how much and what for, and if GO::DH members would have to pay ADHO fees _and_ GO::DH fees.

Answers to these questions might help the rest of us understand the background as well as the potential future consequences. For example, if there is no consensus, who gets to _be_ GO::DH?

[Excuse typos and relative brevity. Touchtyped from my phone on my way to work]

All the best,

Ernesto

On 17 Oct 2017 03:08, "Alex Gil" colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:

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Thank you, Barbara. I wish nothing more than that.

In the spirit of democracy, I ask *all current executive members* to say they agree for this vote to take place on the membership. A simple majority is all we need. We do not need for the vote to take place in secret—nothing on the bylaws about that. The bylaws, on the other hand do encourage important issues to be polled by members:

"Individual members in good standing have the right to vote in GO::DH

...

elections and such issues as the Executive shall decide to poll the membership on."

*Just say aye if you agree.*

If the executive approves the passing of the poll, we will stick to our schedule, and vote on December 15. This gives us time to deliberate and secure a proper referendum, with an electoral officer assuring the standards of the proceedings.

a.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:02 PM, B. Bordalejo < barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.be> wrote:

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Dear Alex,

Thank you for putting my name forward. Of course, as always, I am willing to work with Dan and others in making this case. However, I would like to be assured that that the decision will not be only in the hands of the executive, but the whole of the GO::DH membership. After all, this is precisely what you have been proposing, right?

Best,

BB

On 16/10/2017 17:48, Alex Gil wrote:

Thank you all,

Real quick, so I don't interrupt your conversation too much. Dan, would you be amenable to making your argument into a Google Doc? Perhaps Glen and Barbara would like to add. Just so that we can keep organized.

That's all, Please continue. This will be enormously helpful for the executive committee when it comes time to make a decision. As always feel free to write in the language you are comfortable in. We will figure it out.

a.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Amy Earhart aearhart@tamu.edu wrote:

...

Hello all,

It seems a large part of this discussion is not about ADHO, but rather about if we think our goals are best accomplished in an organizational structure. In some ways putting GO::DH into a large organization like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a very grass roots organization that resisted hierarchies, committees, officers, etc. and rather used social media and loose collaborations to create some sort of a movement or to create small projects. To me we are much more like a social movement, a political movement, than we are a typical academic organization. I think we are at a moment where we need to figure out if such a beginning should be contained within an organization for positive benefits, reject such organizational structures as antithetical to our goals or to come up with some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking about the issue as less about ADHO and more in this structural way has helped me to consider what might be at stake and where we might go.

Best,

Amy

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Ernesto,

I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.

Roopika

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On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you for this, Alex.

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?

Thank you!

Ernesto

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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:

> Dear all, > > As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we > should leave ADHO > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1BBq-2DmXnzJgw-5F5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=73InZUBn6feW_NnsRKa9QhqWZVq3M7z5CAMW6JU_LMc&e=. > The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in > support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. > Instructions are in the Google Doc. > > A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of > becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell > (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have > signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully > sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations. > > After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if > enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way." > > We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for > deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to > debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your > discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive > votes on a final decision by December 15. > > We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, > and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of > GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry > out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, > as long as I'm chair. > > All best, > Alex. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > globaloutlookdh-l mailing list > globaloutlookdh-l@uleth.ca > http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/globaloutlookdh-l > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__listserv.uleth.ca_mailman_listinfo_globaloutlookdh-2Dl&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=i-frDt_yR9byqmnKIQQri7CbGVPDkvb8YUARnW_LlMM&e= > > You are currently subscribed to this list in NON-digest mode. This > means you receive every message as it is posted. > > If this represents too much traffic, you can also subscribe in > DIGEST mode. This sends out a single email once a day containing the entire > day's postings. To change your settings go to > http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/options/globaloutlookdh-l > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__listserv.uleth.ca_mailman_options_globaloutlookdh-2Dl&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=y6-vyChvyKW-FDsgf84vVLC0FMPSVda1kLGdjdfzeCQ&e= > You can request a password reminder from this page if you have > forgotten yours. > > _______________________________________________ globaloutlookdh-l mailing list globaloutlookdh-l@uleth.ca http://listserv.uleth.ca/mailman/listinfo/globaloutlookdh-l https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__listserv.uleth.ca_mailman_listinfo_globaloutlookdh-2Dl&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=i-frDt_yR9byqmnKIQQri7CbGVPDkvb8YUARnW_LlMM&e=

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Hi

I am on the exe and I agree to have the membership vote.

A

Amy Earhart Associate Professor Department of English LAAH 469 MS4227 College Station, Texas 77843-4227 979 862-3038 aearhart@tamu.edu

On Oct 17, 2017, at 6:08 PM, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:

Well said,

A quick note to the current executive, that a move in this direction will imply work.

Also, please let us know if you agree to have the membership vote on it. We only need a simple majority. Your silence will let me know that you prefer to take it to the committee. That's fine too.

a.

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 6:51 PM, O'Donnell, Dan <daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca mailto:daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca> wrote: As far as I'm aware, we just broached the idea and people went away thinking about it. The route to CO-hood, if that's something, is via direct discussion and timelines. There's an admissions committee that discusses how it might make sense and how a group might fit in--every group is special in some way. And then after the agreement is made, it joins. At least that's my understanding.

In my experience, it is really quite a pleasant thing. It provides an opportunity to think through who and what you are with a group that on the whole in my experience are eager to adapt to new groups.

In our case, we haven't really done anything beyond wondering if it was possible, because nobody has really been authorised to do any more. That's why my own personal opinion is that it is premature to say it wouldn't work for us. I don't think we've really investigated and what informal discussions we've had have been very constructive and flexible.

I think that's the only thing where I'd differ with some things that have been said. In my experience, ADHO and especially the admissions committee is one of the more flexible organisations I've dealt with. Every organisation that joins it has had a custom agreement in some way (and as I said, they created the category of SIG for us when we asked). And its internal structure and organisation has repeatedly turned around and inside on itself in response to these changes. It was one thing when it was only ALLC and ACH; then it was something else when it was only ALLC, ACH, and SDH-SEMI (the Canadians), the something else again when GO::DH joined as a SIG and CentreNet as a CO, and then so on right through to Humanistica today.

There's a lot to be said for both views I think. And my experience is not necessarily the same as others (and there have been some real issues in the past year or so, though I think there was a great rush to try and address them). But my experience nevertheless has been that the choice is not between an inflexible monolithic "other" and ourselves; it is really just a question of whether we want to see if joining ADHO as a CO parallel to the ACH, EADH, CSDH-SCHN, and so on is worthwhile (before decide yea or nay) or whether we are sure enough of what we are to say that no possible arrangement would be as good as minimal independence.

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From: globaloutlookdh-l <globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca mailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca> on behalf of Alex Gil <colibri.alex@gmail.com mailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com> Sent: October 17, 2017 5:59

To: globaloutlookdh-l, MailList Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] Why we should leave ADHO, go minimal and return to the planet.

Hi Ernesto,

Just a quick note to say, that despite Harold's message saying that I have been a part of the conversations to become a CO, I have not been directly involved in any of the conversations, though I've had many pleasant conversations with Harold about other matter. I never had a chance to talk to Harold in Montreal either. We never tried. Hi, Harold! The people are Dan, Élika, Roopika (I think, but not sure). Mostly Dan and Élika I think, but again, I'm not sure. This is not a flaw, it's just that I wasn't chair last year, and have always been busier doing other work for our community, with an intense focus on its projects.

I too, would like to learn more where we are with that, and I would like to know where ADHO is with that. Dan? Harold?

a.

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Ernesto Priego <efpriego@gmail.com mailto:efpriego@gmail.com> wrote: PS Also, I have to say I have not paid fees because I have not attended the conference since 2014 (yikes!) - I suppose that makes me a member who is not 'in good standing.' Should I have had to pay a fee before being able to participate in this group? Will I have to pay a fee to earn my right to be polled on the future of a group I have participated in since its inception? It's not a rhetorical question. I hope it helps illustrating the different meanings of being an active 'member' of a group, and the hidden costs that stop many people from participating actively in academia.

I'll shut up now. Carry on... ;)

On 17 Oct 2017 08:25, "Ernesto Priego" <efpriego@gmail.com mailto:efpriego@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all,

I have read the contributions with interest. I have to confess I am a bit confused; maybe I'm not the only one?

It is apparent that members of the Executive know more about the genealogy of the 'independent' proposal and the ADHO changes and potential change to CO than other members of this list. Or maybe just me.

(Questions about this at the end of my message; a personal note before that).

Personally I like the 'independent' proposal, as a document, because it seeks to address the pitfalls we faced in the group creatively and in a way which is fit for purpose.

As I have expressed in the past a more formal arrangement tends to exclude many of us for different reasons. When I attempted being active in ADHO ad hoc committees, lack of funding, travel times, time zone differences and technological challenges put me at a disadvantage. Not all of us can take more than a week off in one go to attend pre-comference meetings and conference events abroad (often in places as expensive as Lausanne).

I have found myself mostly isolated in my criticism of the ADHO's deal with OUP for a paywalled journal that we through our universities have to then pay doubly -or is it triply?- so that we, our colleagues and students can access the work we produce. I would find it terribly depressing (if not antithetical) if GO::DH became a traditional 'CO' where only those with more relatively privileged conditions can have influence, and where members' fees would contribute to the ongoing paywalling and monopolisation of academic knowledge. This is why a 'minimal effort; big impact' would suit us better, in my opinion.

Now, re what I still find unclear...

Would it be possible for Alex and Roopika, and Harold and Dan, to share with the rest of us this 'geneaology'? What I find missing in the 'independent' proposal is the background, the explicit _why_ of the proposed change.

What I find missing or unclear in Harold's and Dan's is what the practical and financial implications would be, _who_ would receive money and how much and what for, and if GO::DH members would have to pay ADHO fees _and_ GO::DH fees.

Answers to these questions might help the rest of us understand the background as well as the potential future consequences. For example, if there is no consensus, who gets to _be_ GO::DH?

[Excuse typos and relative brevity. Touchtyped from my phone on my way to work]

All the best,

Ernesto

On 17 Oct 2017 03:08, "Alex Gil" <colibri.alex@gmail.com mailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com> wrote: Thank you, Barbara. I wish nothing more than that.

In the spirit of democracy, I ask all current executive members to say they agree for this vote to take place on the membership. A simple majority is all we need. We do not need for the vote to take place in secret—nothing on the bylaws about that. The bylaws, on the other hand do encourage important issues to be polled by members:

"Individual members in good standing have the right to vote in GO::DH elections and such issues as the Executive shall decide to poll the membership on."

Just say aye if you agree.

If the executive approves the passing of the poll, we will stick to our schedule, and vote on December 15. This gives us time to deliberate and secure a proper referendum, with an electoral officer assuring the standards of the proceedings.

a.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:02 PM, B. Bordalejo <barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.be mailto:barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.be> wrote: Dear Alex, Thank you for putting my name forward. Of course, as always, I am willing to work with Dan and others in making this case. However, I would like to be assured that that the decision will not be only in the hands of the executive, but the whole of the GO::DH membership. After all, this is precisely what you have been proposing, right?

Best,

BB

On 16/10/2017 17:48, Alex Gil wrote:

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Thank you all,

Real quick, so I don't interrupt your conversation too much. Dan, would you be amenable to making your argument into a Google Doc? Perhaps Glen and Barbara would like to add. Just so that we can keep organized.

That's all, Please continue. This will be enormously helpful for the executive committee when it comes time to make a decision. As always feel free to write in the language you are comfortable in. We will figure it out.

a.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Amy Earhart <aearhart@tamu.edu mailto:aearhart@tamu.edu> wrote: Hello all,

It seems a large part of this discussion is not about ADHO, but rather about if we think our goals are best accomplished in an organizational structure. In some ways putting GO::DH into a large organization like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a very grass roots organization that resisted hierarchies, committees, officers, etc. and rather used social media and loose collaborations to create some sort of a movement or to create small projects. To me we are much more like a social movement, a political movement, than we are a typical academic organization. I think we are at a moment where we need to figure out if such a beginning should be contained within an organization for positive benefits, reject such organizational structures as antithetical to our goals or to come up with some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking about the issue as less about ADHO and more in this structural way has helped me to consider what might be at stake and where we might go.

Best,

Amy

Amy E. Earhart Associate Professor of English Texas A&M University

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From: globaloutlookdh-l <globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca mailto:globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca> on behalf of Roopika Risam <rrisam@gmail.com mailto:rrisam@gmail.com> Sent: October 16, 2017 4:16 To: globaloutlookdh-l, MailList Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] Why we should leave ADHO, go minimal and return to the planet.

Ernesto,

I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.

Roopika

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On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego <efpriego@gmail.com mailto:efpriego@gmail.com> wrote:

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Thank you for this, Alex.

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?

Thank you!

Ernesto

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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil <colibri.alex@gmail.com mailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com> wrote: Dear all,

As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we should leave ADHO https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1BBq-2DmXnzJgw-5F5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=73InZUBn6feW_NnsRKa9QhqWZVq3M7z5CAMW6JU_LMc&e=. The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc.

A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations.

After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way."

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair.

All best, Alex.

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Dear all, a message from Luis Rondón in Cuba:

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Hola comunidad. No publico muy a menudo por razones de conectividad en Cuba, pero cada vez que puedo sigo las conversaciones de la lista.

Estoy de acuerdo con el punto de vista que plantea Alex.

Por otro lado, En cuanto al modo que ha funcionado la lista durante los últimos años, me pregunto si podría hacerse un diagnóstico preliminar de de la organización de humanidades digitales en cuestión utilizando como base material de estudio su comportamiento durante los últimos 5 años analizando los procesos de comunicación dentro de la organización ¿Qué tipo de mensajes se han utilizado? La comunicación ha sido horizontal, vertical descendente o ascendente.? Desde la dirección de la organización hacia sus integrantes ha existido transparencia en la comunicación, ha existido retroalimentación en cada caso y escenario dentro de la organización DH?

Saludos.

Luis Rondón Paz. DH Cuba coordinator, freelance journalist, Geek & DDHH LGBT Advocate. @lrpbyzard

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Roopika Risam rrisam@gmail.com wrote:

Dear Ernesto,

The genealogy you ask for is more subjective than empirical, so here is one version from me.

This began with the question of whether GO::DH could or should become a constituent organization of ADHO. At DH2016 in Poland (August 2016), Dan had expressed that there was interest from ADHO. With the various governance changes at ADHO, it seemed like there would be flexibility on things like member fees, particularly since GO::DH is a special case (not being geographical or linguistic or centernet). To editorialize, I was initially both interested in and in favor of this idea and volunteered to work with Dan to explore this option with ADHO. It was clear to me that SIG status gave us nothing so the CO alternative seemed appealing initially. Because ADHO was in the middle of the governance revisions, this conversation wasn't in a position to move forward until late July/early August 2017.

Here's the even more subjective part: my first set of real doubts on the CO idea arose during an executive meeting in late 2016 or early 2017 in which the question was raised about whether GO::DH could essentially "organize" the rest of the world, be a point of entry to ADHO, and provide guidance to ADHO about whether geographical, linguistic, regional, etc. organization was most appropriate for Africa, for example. (I imagine this had something to do with Humanistica gaining CO status and it's linguistic, rather than geographical, orientation.) That question being put to GO::DH made me reconsider the labor ADHO has received from some of us who have been more active and, more importantly, the politics of GO::DH being a CO - as a default/catchall other and as a gateway (drug) to ADHO. Having GO::DH being the "other" CO or the native informant CO struck me as being a deterrent to the development and admission of more COs from around the world. In addition to the politics, this is also a result of where GO::DH labor has been directed: away from projects like AroundDH or our other early projects and towards ADHO diversity initiatives, to the point that I have heard ADHO leaders say of linguistic and diversity issues, "GO::DH can take care of that." There's more I could say about some of the racialized and gendered dynamics of that labor and its uneven payoffs as well.

Alex and I talked about all of this at length in spring of 2017, particularly because I asked him to run for exec again because GO::DH wasn't really doing anything anymore and with only 2-3 people willing to do work, we were dead on arrival. The question for us was how to (and, indeed, whether it's possible to) recapture the vibrant work and community that GO::DH had four years ago. A possible solution presented itself: don't be a CO, be independent from ADHO while maintaining a positive connection as an affiliate. We could go back to our origins and wouldn't be trading in our ability to be a flexible, unique, responsive, and nimble community in exchange for a few thousand dollars from ADHO, subsidized by those of us who can afford membership fees. After all, everything good as GO::DH was spearheaded by junior folks of color who were learning how to do high-impact work with no money at the beginning of our careers. In May we sat down and sketched out a proposal for change to GO::DH (presented here as the independence model). Alex shared this idea at a meeting in Montreal. After that meeting, Alex proposed that those favoring particular positions on the future of GO::DH write up those positions for further consideration. This independence model is the first of those that had been written, to my knowledge.

Roopika

-- Roopika Risam, PhD Assistant Professor of English Chair, Program Area for Content Education Salem State University http://roopikarisam.com

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On Oct 17, 2017, at 3:25 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all,

I have read the contributions with interest. I have to confess I am a bit confused; maybe I'm not the only one?

It is apparent that members of the Executive know more about the genealogy of the 'independent' proposal and the ADHO changes and potential change to CO than other members of this list. Or maybe just me.

(Questions about this at the end of my message; a personal note before that).

Personally I like the 'independent' proposal, as a document, because it seeks to address the pitfalls we faced in the group creatively and in a way which is fit for purpose.

As I have expressed in the past a more formal arrangement tends to exclude many of us for different reasons. When I attempted being active in ADHO ad hoc committees, lack of funding, travel times, time zone differences and technological challenges put me at a disadvantage. Not all of us can take more than a week off in one go to attend pre-comference meetings and conference events abroad (often in places as expensive as Lausanne).

I have found myself mostly isolated in my criticism of the ADHO's deal with OUP for a paywalled journal that we through our universities have to then pay doubly -or is it triply?- so that we, our colleagues and students can access the work we produce. I would find it terribly depressing (if not antithetical) if GO::DH became a traditional 'CO' where only those with more relatively privileged conditions can have influence, and where members' fees would contribute to the ongoing paywalling and monopolisation of academic knowledge. This is why a 'minimal effort; big impact' would suit us better, in my opinion.

Now, re what I still find unclear...

Would it be possible for Alex and Roopika, and Harold and Dan, to share with the rest of us this 'geneaology'? What I find missing in the 'independent' proposal is the background, the explicit _why_ of the proposed change.

What I find missing or unclear in Harold's and Dan's is what the practical and financial implications would be, _who_ would receive money and how much and what for, and if GO::DH members would have to pay ADHO fees _and_ GO::DH fees.

Answers to these questions might help the rest of us understand the background as well as the potential future consequences. For example, if there is no consensus, who gets to _be_ GO::DH?

[Excuse typos and relative brevity. Touchtyped from my phone on my way to work]

All the best,

Ernesto

On 17 Oct 2017 03:08, "Alex Gil" colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:

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Thank you, Barbara. I wish nothing more than that.

In the spirit of democracy, I ask *all current executive members* to say they agree for this vote to take place on the membership. A simple majority is all we need. We do not need for the vote to take place in secret—nothing on the bylaws about that. The bylaws, on the other hand do encourage important issues to be polled by members:

"Individual members in good standing have the right to vote in GO::DH

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elections and such issues as the Executive shall decide to poll the membership on."

*Just say aye if you agree.*

If the executive approves the passing of the poll, we will stick to our schedule, and vote on December 15. This gives us time to deliberate and secure a proper referendum, with an electoral officer assuring the standards of the proceedings.

a.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:02 PM, B. Bordalejo < barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.be> wrote:

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Dear Alex,

Thank you for putting my name forward. Of course, as always, I am willing to work with Dan and others in making this case. However, I would like to be assured that that the decision will not be only in the hands of the executive, but the whole of the GO::DH membership. After all, this is precisely what you have been proposing, right?

Best,

BB

On 16/10/2017 17:48, Alex Gil wrote:

Thank you all,

Real quick, so I don't interrupt your conversation too much. Dan, would you be amenable to making your argument into a Google Doc? Perhaps Glen and Barbara would like to add. Just so that we can keep organized.

That's all, Please continue. This will be enormously helpful for the executive committee when it comes time to make a decision. As always feel free to write in the language you are comfortable in. We will figure it out.

a.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Amy Earhart aearhart@tamu.edu wrote:

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Hello all,

It seems a large part of this discussion is not about ADHO, but rather about if we think our goals are best accomplished in an organizational structure. In some ways putting GO::DH into a large organization like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a very grass roots organization that resisted hierarchies, committees, officers, etc. and rather used social media and loose collaborations to create some sort of a movement or to create small projects. To me we are much more like a social movement, a political movement, than we are a typical academic organization. I think we are at a moment where we need to figure out if such a beginning should be contained within an organization for positive benefits, reject such organizational structures as antithetical to our goals or to come up with some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking about the issue as less about ADHO and more in this structural way has helped me to consider what might be at stake and where we might go.

Best,

Amy

Amy E. Earhart Associate Professor of English Texas A&M University

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*From:* globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca on behalf of Roopika Risam rrisam@gmail.com *Sent:* October 16, 2017 4:16 *To:* globaloutlookdh-l, MailList *Subject:* Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] Why we should leave ADHO, go minimal and return to the planet.

Ernesto,

I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.

Roopika

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On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you for this, Alex.

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?

Thank you!

Ernesto

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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:

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Dear all,

As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we should leave ADHO https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1BBq-2DmXnzJgw-5F5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=73InZUBn6feW_NnsRKa9QhqWZVq3M7z5CAMW6JU_LMc&e=. The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc.

A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations.

After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way."

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair.

All best, Alex.

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I am grateful to Dan for his detailed responses. I think some of Luis's questions were addressed there too. Though in this thread and this list we often use the dedication "Dear ___" to address the original sender of a particular message, it should be clear messages shared here are addressed to all of us and therefore the conversation is open to the whole list. On that none it would be good to hear from everyone, even if it's an "I couldn't care less" or an "I am so busy that I can't cope with this right now". ;-)

Thank you all-- please carry on!

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On 18 October 2017 at 01:49, O'Donnell, Dan daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote:

Hi Ernesto,

I've answered what I can in-between. This lack of transparency is actually perhaps a result of the flat, ad hoc way we've worked in the past. It isn't really deliberate, anyway.

*Personally I like the 'independent' proposal, as a document, because it seeks to address the pitfalls we faced in the group creatively and in a way which is fit for purpose.*

My own opinion, having been involved in a lot of groups over the years, including some quite similar ones (e.g. Digital Medievalist) and some more formal and large ones (e.g. ADHO, CSDH-SCHN, Force11, TEI-C), is that we at GO::DH really underestimate just how much we've accomplished and just how much influence we've had.

I don't mean to be complacent and imply that there's no way of improving or dismiss the points raised by those who point to problems in what we have done or our failures.

But I also think that it is easy to expect too much from any organisation. GO::DH has really had a remarkable effect on the field of DH in the last five year, IMO. More than anything else that has happened in the field with the possible exception of the publication of the original Companion to DH.

• The Australian DH conference was explicitly chosen by ADHO from the

bids at the time, because it was the option available that best addressed issues raised by GO::DH members about the unfairness of always having to travel to the West and North to attend conferences (it wasn't a perfect choice, but it was a move out of what was available).

• The decision to go to a three location conference model the next

year was the next step in that movement--why were we excluding everybody else? Again directly attributed to the influence of GO::DH

• The entire SIG infrastructure was created for GO::DH at our request

and then extended to others.

• Individual COs (I know of ACH and CSDH-SCHN best) have formally

developed inclusion processes and protocols directly attributable to GO::DH

• Several of our journals have run multi-lingual issues in response to

our existence

• Our whisper campaign has been adopted by other organisations
• We've had meetings in various places in the Global South through the

efforts of GO::DHers.

• And so on.

I've been told several times by several people that GO::DH has been the most exciting thing to happen in DH in probably a decade. Even the reactionary burst that happened in 2016 was in some ways a tribute to GO::DH. It was part of the issue that arose; and the forces of reaction ended up backing down by-and-large.

I don't want to pretend that everything is over and we won or that all of these gestures were meaningful, successful, uncomplicated, or uncompromised. But I agree with those who say they've never seen anything like the impact GO::DH had on the field's understanding of itself. In 2012 (the year GO::DH was founded) there was only one article on Globalisation published between the Cologne Dialogues and Debates in the Digital Humanities (Domenico's great piece). One year later, you started getting people apologising in footnotes for not considering things from a global, multi-lingual perspective. Now it is unthinkable that you could publish something like Debates and not have significant contributions about diversity and global context of DH. I've genuinely never seen anything like it.

Again, I really don't want to be complacent or dismiss the opinions of those who (correctly I think), point out the trouble with current affairs, or urge that we could do better or more. But even with that, this community has been in my opinion simply astounding in its energy and what it has accomplished despite that. We're no where near the end, but GO::DHers really do deserve an immense credit for what has been accomplished---a group, as Roopsi pointed out, that was essentially all junior, beginning, people of colour, many working in insecure positions without access to the kind of funding more senior, Northern, researchers have.

*As I have expressed in the past a more formal arrangement tends to exclude many of us for different reasons. When I attempted being active in ADHO ad hoc committees, lack of funding, travel times, time zone differences and technological challenges put me at a disadvantage. Not all of us can take more than a week off in one go to attend pre-comference meetings and conference events abroad (often in places as expensive as Lausanne).*

Gimena and I were discussing this today. This is something that I think GO::DH would bring to ADHO through formal connection. DH 2018 has a lot of GO::DHers in its organising committee and I think we are already seeing the results. I think the organisation as a whole is ripe for the same kind of change. This kind of thing is hard to change as an individual. But I think it is exactly this sensitivity that GO::DH has insisted on from the beginning and could change if it were at the table.

It is not my place to say whether that is sufficient or true or even GO::DH's job. I am in an alright timezone, have good infrastructure, and at the moment am extremely well-funded. But I do believe that GO::DH is already changing how people understand what an organisation must do to be inclusive. I think it would be a massive force for good in this way, were it to be a CO. Concerns that that might be all it becomes are entirely legitimate. And it is also entirely legitimate to ask if this labour is not already asked too much of women, people of colour, people outside the North.

*I have found myself mostly isolated in my criticism of the ADHO's deal with OUP for a paywalled journal that we through our universities have to then pay doubly -or is it triply?- so that we, our colleagues and students can access the work we produce. I would find it terribly depressing (if not antithetical) if GO::DH became a traditional 'CO' where only those with more relatively privileged conditions can have influence, and where members' fees would contribute to the ongoing paywalling and monopolisation of academic knowledge. This is why a 'minimal effort; big impact' would suit us better, in my opinion.*

My understanding is that "GO::DH is free" is a bedrock principle: if you had to pay for a subscription to SDH to join GO::DH, I think any deal would be off.

I'm sorry you've felt so isolated in your criticism of the OUP arrangement. It is actually regularly criticised in my experience at other COs and in the ADHO Steering Committee (when I was on it). One result of that is that there's now a no-journal option. But I think also that the experience of GO::DHers (many of whom live in countries that of choice or necessity are far ahead in OA) also have something very important to offer here as well. Again, we need to be sensitive the question about whether it is appropriate to demand or expect that labour from people already suffering from the disadvantage.

*Now, re what I still find unclear...*

*Would it be possible for Alex and Roopika, and Harold and Dan, to share with the rest of us this 'geneaology'? What I find missing in the 'independent' proposal is the background, the explicit _why_ of the proposed change. *

I think Roopsi basically covered it. In Krakow I happened to be talking to Ray Siemens and Harold Short at one point and said that I thought that GO::DH might be interesting as a CO. They and some people sitting beside us (Neil Fraistat was another; Stefan Sinclair, I think; Susan Brown, Melissa Terras, Karina van Dalen-Oskam, and Barbara Bordalejo also were around at one point or another). There wasn't much more at the time than people saying they thought it was a great idea--the only criticism was somebody said that they worried it might be so popular that it would wipe out the membership from the other COs. Then later Roopsi, Barbara (I think), and I sat with Harold and really briefly discussed what was involved in becoming a CO. After that we played email tag a little, but never really started any discussions, because we never received authorisation to.

I went on at length about the impact GO::DH has had above because that is what people were saying to us about why they thought it was a great idea. In my experience people are simply immensely impressed by what it has accomplished and its promise.

I consider that external interest and praise to be incidental, however. It suggests that we might find it easy to arrange something if we asked. But others' opinions of us--particularly those of us in the North who are privileged--is really not an external validation a group like GO::DH needs to be sure of itself. It's useful if it is useful and not important if it isn't.

*What I find missing or unclear in Harold's and Dan's is what the practical and financial implications would be, _who_ would receive money and how much and what for, and if GO::DH members would have to pay ADHO fees _and_ GO::DH fees.*

This really is an issue--though everybody has been clear from the beginning that payment cannot be associated with membership in GO::DH. Harold is a genius at thinking up creative approaches to organisational design (ADHO is actually a remarkable way of spreading the wealth in a discipline). And if he's thought of something, I'm sure it very possible and creative.

I can see how this is hard to do, however. ADHO works by essentially pooling the membership fees of all the COs. In exchange the COs collect membership fees by asking their members to subscribe to SDH (or choose the no-journal option). ADHO also guarantees some financial stability to the COs: a minimum payment, regardless of numbers, for example. OA journal support, and so on (this is the old arrangement; there is a new one coming that I don't know too much about).

A no-fee GO::DH does present a problem in this scenario. Both for any money it receives (where does its share come from?) and for the possibility it offers for free membership to people who currently pay to belong to other national organisations (e.g. the Canadians, Japanese, and so on). What happens to ADHO finances if people leave the other COs they pay to join to join us for free?

I'm not sure what Harold has in mind about that. I do think that people like me should have at least the opportunity to belong to GO::DH and contribute to the funding of it and ADHO. But I also believe firmly that no membership fees is a bedrock principle of GO::DH. Maybe there is some way of adding a voluntary or Northern or employed-person charge to support GO::DH's position in ADHO that would not be a membership fee or connected with membership in GO::DH, then I'd personally support that. But I'm just guessing. No membership fees to join GO::DH is fundamental to me.

*Answers to these questions might help the rest of us understand the background as well as the potential future consequences. For example, if there is no consensus, who gets to _be_ GO::DH?*

GO::DH is its membership. If there's no consensus, I'd say the status quo prevails. I certainly can't see ADHO or others wanting to wade into a divided community--our strength thus far has been our ability to project our common interests and lack of consensus would suggest to me that it isn't a clearly good idea to join. We are a community. You can't change a community if there's no consensus.

[Excuse typos and relative brevity. Touchtyped from my phone on my way to work]

All the best,

Ernesto

On 17 Oct 2017 03:08, "Alex Gil" colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:

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Thank you, Barbara. I wish nothing more than that.

In the spirit of democracy, I ask *all current executive members* to say they agree for this vote to take place on the membership. A simple majority is all we need. We do not need for the vote to take place in secret—nothing on the bylaws about that. The bylaws, on the other hand do encourage important issues to be polled by members:

"Individual members in good standing have the right to vote in GO::DH

...

elections and such issues as the Executive shall decide to poll the membership on."

*Just say aye if you agree.*

If the executive approves the passing of the poll, we will stick to our schedule, and vote on December 15. This gives us time to deliberate and secure a proper referendum, with an electoral officer assuring the standards of the proceedings.

a.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:02 PM, B. Bordalejo < barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.be> wrote:

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Dear Alex,

Thank you for putting my name forward. Of course, as always, I am willing to work with Dan and others in making this case. However, I would like to be assured that that the decision will not be only in the hands of the executive, but the whole of the GO::DH membership. After all, this is precisely what you have been proposing, right?

Best,

BB

On 16/10/2017 17:48, Alex Gil wrote:

Thank you all,

Real quick, so I don't interrupt your conversation too much. Dan, would you be amenable to making your argument into a Google Doc? Perhaps Glen and Barbara would like to add. Just so that we can keep organized.

That's all, Please continue. This will be enormously helpful for the executive committee when it comes time to make a decision. As always feel free to write in the language you are comfortable in. We will figure it out.

a.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Amy Earhart aearhart@tamu.edu wrote:

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Hello all,

It seems a large part of this discussion is not about ADHO, but rather about if we think our goals are best accomplished in an organizational structure. In some ways putting GO::DH into a large organization like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a very grass roots organization that resisted hierarchies, committees, officers, etc. and rather used social media and loose collaborations to create some sort of a movement or to create small projects. To me we are much more like a social movement, a political movement, than we are a typical academic organization. I think we are at a moment where we need to figure out if such a beginning should be contained within an organization for positive benefits, reject such organizational structures as antithetical to our goals or to come up with some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking about the issue as less about ADHO and more in this structural way has helped me to consider what might be at stake and where we might go.

Best,

Amy

Amy E. Earhart Associate Professor of English Texas A&M University

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Ernesto,

I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.

Roopika

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On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you for this, Alex.

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?

Thank you!

Ernesto

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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:

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Dear all,

As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we should leave ADHO https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1BBq-2DmXnzJgw-5F5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=73InZUBn6feW_NnsRKa9QhqWZVq3M7z5CAMW6JU_LMc&e=. The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc.

A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations.

After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way."

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair.

All best, Alex.

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One interesting thing could be to do a hangout/skype/zoom call with the people interested in debating this and then vote.

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On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Amy Earhart aearhart@tamu.edu wrote:

Hi all,

I’m having a bit of a hard time following the various threads here.I hope I haven’t missed an action item other than the issue of the exec. and voting. If there is an action item would you please label the email subject as such?

Amy

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On Oct 18, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:

I am grateful to Dan for his detailed responses. I think some of Luis's questions were addressed there too. Though in this thread and this list we often use the dedication "Dear ___" to address the original sender of a particular message, it should be clear messages shared here are addressed to all of us and therefore the conversation is open to the whole list. On that none it would be good to hear from everyone, even if it's an "I couldn't care less" or an "I am so busy that I can't cope with this right now". ;-)

Thank you all-- please carry on!

Best regards,

Ernesto

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On 18 October 2017 at 01:49, O'Donnell, Dan daniel.odonnell@uleth.ca wrote:

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Hi Ernesto,

I've answered what I can in-between. This lack of transparency is actually perhaps a result of the flat, ad hoc way we've worked in the past. It isn't really deliberate, anyway.

*Personally I like the 'independent' proposal, as a document, because it seeks to address the pitfalls we faced in the group creatively and in a way which is fit for purpose.*

My own opinion, having been involved in a lot of groups over the years, including some quite similar ones (e.g. Digital Medievalist) and some more formal and large ones (e.g. ADHO, CSDH-SCHN, Force11, TEI-C), is that we at GO::DH really underestimate just how much we've accomplished and just how much influence we've had.

I don't mean to be complacent and imply that there's no way of improving or dismiss the points raised by those who point to problems in what we have done or our failures.

But I also think that it is easy to expect too much from any organisation. GO::DH has really had a remarkable effect on the field of DH in the last five year, IMO. More than anything else that has happened in the field with the possible exception of the publication of the original Companion to DH.

• The Australian DH conference was explicitly chosen by ADHO from the

bids at the time, because it was the option available that best addressed issues raised by GO::DH members about the unfairness of always having to travel to the West and North to attend conferences (it wasn't a perfect choice, but it was a move out of what was available).

• The decision to go to a three location conference model the next

year was the next step in that movement--why were we excluding everybody else? Again directly attributed to the influence of GO::DH

• The entire SIG infrastructure was created for GO::DH at our request

and then extended to others.

• Individual COs (I know of ACH and CSDH-SCHN best) have formally

developed inclusion processes and protocols directly attributable to GO::DH

• Several of our journals have run multi-lingual issues in response

to our existence

• Our whisper campaign has been adopted by other organisations
• We've had meetings in various places in the Global South through

the efforts of GO::DHers.

• And so on.

I've been told several times by several people that GO::DH has been the most exciting thing to happen in DH in probably a decade. Even the reactionary burst that happened in 2016 was in some ways a tribute to GO::DH. It was part of the issue that arose; and the forces of reaction ended up backing down by-and-large.

I don't want to pretend that everything is over and we won or that all of these gestures were meaningful, successful, uncomplicated, or uncompromised. But I agree with those who say they've never seen anything like the impact GO::DH had on the field's understanding of itself. In 2012 (the year GO::DH was founded) there was only one article on Globalisation published between the Cologne Dialogues and Debates in the Digital Humanities (Domenico's great piece). One year later, you started getting people apologising in footnotes for not considering things from a global, multi-lingual perspective. Now it is unthinkable that you could publish something like Debates and not have significant contributions about diversity and global context of DH. I've genuinely never seen anything like it.

Again, I really don't want to be complacent or dismiss the opinions of those who (correctly I think), point out the trouble with current affairs, or urge that we could do better or more. But even with that, this community has been in my opinion simply astounding in its energy and what it has accomplished despite that. We're no where near the end, but GO::DHers really do deserve an immense credit for what has been accomplished---a group, as Roopsi pointed out, that was essentially all junior, beginning, people of colour, many working in insecure positions without access to the kind of funding more senior, Northern, researchers have.

*As I have expressed in the past a more formal arrangement tends to exclude many of us for different reasons. When I attempted being active in ADHO ad hoc committees, lack of funding, travel times, time zone differences and technological challenges put me at a disadvantage. Not all of us can take more than a week off in one go to attend pre-comference meetings and conference events abroad (often in places as expensive as Lausanne).*

Gimena and I were discussing this today. This is something that I think GO::DH would bring to ADHO through formal connection. DH 2018 has a lot of GO::DHers in its organising committee and I think we are already seeing the results. I think the organisation as a whole is ripe for the same kind of change. This kind of thing is hard to change as an individual. But I think it is exactly this sensitivity that GO::DH has insisted on from the beginning and could change if it were at the table.

It is not my place to say whether that is sufficient or true or even GO::DH's job. I am in an alright timezone, have good infrastructure, and at the moment am extremely well-funded. But I do believe that GO::DH is already changing how people understand what an organisation must do to be inclusive. I think it would be a massive force for good in this way, were it to be a CO. Concerns that that might be all it becomes are entirely legitimate. And it is also entirely legitimate to ask if this labour is not already asked too much of women, people of colour, people outside the North.

*I have found myself mostly isolated in my criticism of the ADHO's deal with OUP for a paywalled journal that we through our universities have to then pay doubly -or is it triply?- so that we, our colleagues and students can access the work we produce. I would find it terribly depressing (if not antithetical) if GO::DH became a traditional 'CO' where only those with more relatively privileged conditions can have influence, and where members' fees would contribute to the ongoing paywalling and monopolisation of academic knowledge. This is why a 'minimal effort; big impact' would suit us better, in my opinion.*

My understanding is that "GO::DH is free" is a bedrock principle: if you had to pay for a subscription to SDH to join GO::DH, I think any deal would be off.

I'm sorry you've felt so isolated in your criticism of the OUP arrangement. It is actually regularly criticised in my experience at other COs and in the ADHO Steering Committee (when I was on it). One result of that is that there's now a no-journal option. But I think also that the experience of GO::DHers (many of whom live in countries that of choice or necessity are far ahead in OA) also have something very important to offer here as well. Again, we need to be sensitive the question about whether it is appropriate to demand or expect that labour from people already suffering from the disadvantage.

*Now, re what I still find unclear...*

*Would it be possible for Alex and Roopika, and Harold and Dan, to share with the rest of us this 'geneaology'? What I find missing in the 'independent' proposal is the background, the explicit _why_ of the proposed change. *

I think Roopsi basically covered it. In Krakow I happened to be talking to Ray Siemens and Harold Short at one point and said that I thought that GO::DH might be interesting as a CO. They and some people sitting beside us (Neil Fraistat was another; Stefan Sinclair, I think; Susan Brown, Melissa Terras, Karina van Dalen-Oskam, and Barbara Bordalejo also were around at one point or another). There wasn't much more at the time than people saying they thought it was a great idea--the only criticism was somebody said that they worried it might be so popular that it would wipe out the membership from the other COs. Then later Roopsi, Barbara (I think), and I sat with Harold and really briefly discussed what was involved in becoming a CO. After that we played email tag a little, but never really started any discussions, because we never received authorisation to.

I went on at length about the impact GO::DH has had above because that is what people were saying to us about why they thought it was a great idea. In my experience people are simply immensely impressed by what it has accomplished and its promise.

I consider that external interest and praise to be incidental, however. It suggests that we might find it easy to arrange something if we asked. But others' opinions of us--particularly those of us in the North who are privileged--is really not an external validation a group like GO::DH needs to be sure of itself. It's useful if it is useful and not important if it isn't.

*What I find missing or unclear in Harold's and Dan's is what the practical and financial implications would be, _who_ would receive money and how much and what for, and if GO::DH members would have to pay ADHO fees _and_ GO::DH fees.*

This really is an issue--though everybody has been clear from the beginning that payment cannot be associated with membership in GO::DH. Harold is a genius at thinking up creative approaches to organisational design (ADHO is actually a remarkable way of spreading the wealth in a discipline). And if he's thought of something, I'm sure it very possible and creative.

I can see how this is hard to do, however. ADHO works by essentially pooling the membership fees of all the COs. In exchange the COs collect membership fees by asking their members to subscribe to SDH (or choose the no-journal option). ADHO also guarantees some financial stability to the COs: a minimum payment, regardless of numbers, for example. OA journal support, and so on (this is the old arrangement; there is a new one coming that I don't know too much about).

A no-fee GO::DH does present a problem in this scenario. Both for any money it receives (where does its share come from?) and for the possibility it offers for free membership to people who currently pay to belong to other national organisations (e.g. the Canadians, Japanese, and so on). What happens to ADHO finances if people leave the other COs they pay to join to join us for free?

I'm not sure what Harold has in mind about that. I do think that people like me should have at least the opportunity to belong to GO::DH and contribute to the funding of it and ADHO. But I also believe firmly that no membership fees is a bedrock principle of GO::DH. Maybe there is some way of adding a voluntary or Northern or employed-person charge to support GO::DH's position in ADHO that would not be a membership fee or connected with membership in GO::DH, then I'd personally support that. But I'm just guessing. No membership fees to join GO::DH is fundamental to me.

*Answers to these questions might help the rest of us understand the background as well as the potential future consequences. For example, if there is no consensus, who gets to _be_ GO::DH?*

GO::DH is its membership. If there's no consensus, I'd say the status quo prevails. I certainly can't see ADHO or others wanting to wade into a divided community--our strength thus far has been our ability to project our common interests and lack of consensus would suggest to me that it isn't a clearly good idea to join. We are a community. You can't change a community if there's no consensus.

[Excuse typos and relative brevity. Touchtyped from my phone on my way to work]

All the best,

Ernesto

On 17 Oct 2017 03:08, "Alex Gil" colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:

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Thank you, Barbara. I wish nothing more than that.

In the spirit of democracy, I ask *all current executive members* to say they agree for this vote to take place on the membership. A simple majority is all we need. We do not need for the vote to take place in secret—nothing on the bylaws about that. The bylaws, on the other hand do encourage important issues to be polled by members:

"Individual members in good standing have the right to vote in GO::DH

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elections and such issues as the Executive shall decide to poll the membership on."

*Just say aye if you agree.*

If the executive approves the passing of the poll, we will stick to our schedule, and vote on December 15. This gives us time to deliberate and secure a proper referendum, with an electoral officer assuring the standards of the proceedings.

a.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:02 PM, B. Bordalejo < barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.be> wrote:

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Dear Alex,

Thank you for putting my name forward. Of course, as always, I am willing to work with Dan and others in making this case. However, I would like to be assured that that the decision will not be only in the hands of the executive, but the whole of the GO::DH membership. After all, this is precisely what you have been proposing, right?

Best,

BB

On 16/10/2017 17:48, Alex Gil wrote:

Thank you all,

Real quick, so I don't interrupt your conversation too much. Dan, would you be amenable to making your argument into a Google Doc? Perhaps Glen and Barbara would like to add. Just so that we can keep organized.

That's all, Please continue. This will be enormously helpful for the executive committee when it comes time to make a decision. As always feel free to write in the language you are comfortable in. We will figure it out.

a.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Amy Earhart aearhart@tamu.edu wrote:

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Hello all,

It seems a large part of this discussion is not about ADHO, but rather about if we think our goals are best accomplished in an organizational structure. In some ways putting GO::DH into a large organization like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a very grass roots organization that resisted hierarchies, committees, officers, etc. and rather used social media and loose collaborations to create some sort of a movement or to create small projects. To me we are much more like a social movement, a political movement, than we are a typical academic organization. I think we are at a moment where we need to figure out if such a beginning should be contained within an organization for positive benefits, reject such organizational structures as antithetical to our goals or to come up with some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking about the issue as less about ADHO and more in this structural way has helped me to consider what might be at stake and where we might go.

Best,

Amy

Amy E. Earhart Associate Professor of English Texas A&M University

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Ernesto,

I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.

Roopika

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On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you for this, Alex.

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?

Thank you!

Ernesto

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On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:

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Dear all,

As promised, here is the document with the argument for why we should leave ADHO https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1BBq-2DmXnzJgw-5F5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=73InZUBn6feW_NnsRKa9QhqWZVq3M7z5CAMW6JU_LMc&e=. The first round was written by Dr. Roopika Risam and me, but those in support can add their own rationales and arguments, or comment on ours. Instructions are in the Google Doc.

A second argument will be prepared by those who support the idea of becoming a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey (USA) have signaled they would be interested in drafting such a document. Hopefully sooner, rather than later, so we can proceed with deliberations.

After the second argument is made, a third argument is possible if enough members feel there should be a middle path, or a "third way."

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

We will announce the results of the process before the year ends, and hopefully move forward with renewed energy into the next stage of GO::DH. Next year, I will pass on the baton to a new chair who will carry out our collective will, but will help in the transition, whatever that is, as long as I'm chair.

All best, Alex.

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If this is going to be put to a vote (and notice that "If"), it should be a vote from the general membership (but give me a few minutes, I am working on a more detailed message which explains why I do not think we should even propose a vote yet).

Best, BB

On 18/10/2017 09:41, Alex Gil wrote:

Dear Gimena, that would be interesting but a logistical nightmare and not allowed by our by-laws http://www.globaloutlookdh.org/bylaws/. It has to be either the /executive committee/ or the /general membership/ through this mailing list.

Thank you, Amy! Any others?

Here is the list of our current executive:

Amy Earhart Miguel Escobar Varela Alex Gil 'Tunde Opeibi /Elena Gonzalez-Blanco/* Élika Ortega Thomas G. Padilla Roopika Risam Barbara Bordalejo

• Elena did not officially resign from her position, but she has

recently left the academy and has resigned from other positions. We haven't heard from her in a while.

This means we only need 3 more votes from the executive to achieve a simple majority. So far Amy and I vote AYE. Since Barbara suggested it, I'm sure she's an AYE vote too. Barbara?

Best, a.

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:19 AM, gimena del rio riande <gdelrio.riande@gmail.com mailto:gdelrio.riande@gmail.com> wrote:

One interesting thing could be to do a hangout/skype/zoom call
with the people interested in debating this and then vote.



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On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Amy Earhart <aearhart@tamu.edu
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    Hi all,

    I’m having a bit of a hard time following the various threads
    here.I hope I haven’t missed an action item other than the
    issue of the exec. and voting. If there is an action item
    would you please label the email subject as such?

    Amy

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    On Oct 18, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Ernesto Priego
    <efpriego@gmail.com <mailto:efpriego@gmail.com>> wrote:

    I am grateful to Dan for his detailed responses. I think some
    of Luis's questions were addressed there too. Though in this
    thread and this list we often use the dedication "Dear ___"
    to address the original sender of a particular message, it
    should be clear messages shared here are addressed to all of
    us and therefore the conversation is open to the whole list.
    On that none it would be good to hear from everyone, even if
    it's an "I couldn't care less" or an "I am so busy that I
    can't cope with this right now". ;-)

    Thank you all-- please carry on!

    Best regards,

    Ernesto



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    On 18 October 2017 at 01:49, O'Donnell, Dan
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        Hi Ernesto,


        I've answered what I can in-between. This lack of
        transparency is actually perhaps a result of the flat, ad
        hoc way we've worked in the past. It isn't really
        deliberate, anyway.


            /Personally I like the 'independent' proposal, as a
            document, because it seeks to address the pitfalls we
            faced in the group creatively and in a way which is
            fit for purpose./


        My own opinion, having been involved in a lot of groups
        over the years, including some quite similar ones (e.g.
        Digital Medievalist) and some more formal and large ones
        (e.g. ADHO, CSDH-SCHN, Force11, TEI-C), is that we at
        GO::DH really underestimate just how much we've
        accomplished and just how much influence we've had.

        I don't mean to be complacent and imply that there's no
        way of improving or dismiss the points raised by those
        who point to problems in what we have done or our failures.

        But I also think that it is easy to expect too much from
        any organisation. GO::DH has really had a remarkable
        effect on the field of DH in the last five year, IMO.
        More than anything else that has happened in the field
        with the possible exception of the publication of the
        original Companion to DH.

          * The Australian DH conference was explicitly chosen by
            ADHO from the bids at the time, because it was the
            option available that best addressed issues raised by
            GO::DH members about the unfairness of always having
            to travel to the West and North to attend conferences
            (it wasn't a perfect choice, but it was a move out of
            what was available).
          * The decision to go to a three location conference
            model the next year was the next step in that
            movement--why were we excluding everybody else? Again
            directly attributed to the influence of GO::DH
          * The entire SIG infrastructure was created for GO::DH
            at our request and then extended to others.
          * Individual COs (I know of ACH and CSDH-SCHN best)
            have formally developed inclusion processes and
            protocols directly attributable to GO::DH
          * Several of our journals have run multi-lingual issues
            in response to our existence
          * Our whisper campaign has been adopted by other
            organisations
          * We've had meetings in various places in the Global
            South through the efforts of GO::DHers.
          * And so on.

        I've been told several times by several people that
        GO::DH has been the most exciting thing to happen in DH
        in probably a decade. Even the reactionary burst that
        happened in 2016 was in some ways a tribute to GO::DH. It
        was part of the issue that arose; and the forces of
        reaction ended up backing down by-and-large.

        I don't want to pretend that everything is over and we
        won or that all of these gestures were meaningful,
        successful, uncomplicated, or uncompromised. But I agree
        with those who say they've never seen anything like the
        impact GO::DH had on the field's understanding of itself.
        In 2012 (the year GO::DH was founded) there was only one
        article on Globalisation published between the Cologne
        Dialogues and Debates in the Digital Humanities
        (Domenico's great piece). One year later, you started
        getting people apologising in footnotes for not
        considering things from a global, multi-lingual
        perspective. Now it is unthinkable that you could publish
        something like Debates and not have significant
        contributions about diversity and global context of
        DH. I've genuinely never seen anything like it.

        Again, I really don't want to be complacent or dismiss
        the opinions of those who (correctly I think), point out
        the trouble with current affairs, or urge that we could
        do better or more. But even with that, this community has
        been in my opinion simply astounding in its energy and
        what it has accomplished despite that. We're no where
        near the end, but GO::DHers really do deserve an immense
        credit for what has been accomplished---a group, as
        Roopsi pointed out, that was essentially all junior,
        beginning, people of colour, many working in insecure
        positions without access to the kind of funding more
        senior, Northern, researchers have.


            /As I have expressed in the past a more formal
            arrangement tends to exclude many of us for different
            reasons. When I attempted being active in ADHO ad hoc
            committees, lack of funding, travel times, time zone
            differences and technological challenges put me at a
            disadvantage. Not all of us can take more than a week
            off in one go to attend pre-comference meetings and
            conference events abroad (often in places as
            expensive as Lausanne)./

        Gimena and I were discussing this today. This is
        something that I think GO::DH would bring to ADHO through
        formal connection. DH 2018 has a lot of GO::DHers in its
        organising committee and I think we are already seeing
        the results. I think the organisation as a whole is ripe
        for the same kind of change. This kind of thing is hard
        to change as an individual. But I think it is exactly
        this sensitivity that GO::DH has insisted on from the
        beginning and could change if it were at the table.

        It is not my place to say whether that is sufficient or
        true or even GO::DH's job. I am in an alright timezone,
        have good infrastructure, and at the moment am extremely
        well-funded. But I do believe that GO::DH is already
        changing how people understand what an organisation must
        do to be inclusive. I think it would be a massive force
        for good in this way, were it to be a CO. Concerns that
        that might be all it becomes are entirely legitimate. And
        it is also entirely legitimate to ask if this labour is
        not already asked too much of women, people of colour,
        people outside the North.


            /I have found myself mostly isolated in my criticism
            of the ADHO's deal with OUP for a paywalled journal
            that we through our universities have to then pay
            doubly -or is it triply?- so that we, our colleagues
            and students can access the work we produce. I would
            find it terribly depressing (if not antithetical) if
            GO::DH became a traditional 'CO' where only those
            with more relatively privileged conditions can have
            influence, and where members' fees would contribute
            to the ongoing paywalling and monopolisation of
            academic knowledge. This is why a 'minimal effort;
            big impact' would suit us better, in my opinion./

        My understanding is that "GO::DH is free" is a bedrock
        principle: if you had to pay for a subscription to SDH to
        join GO::DH, I think any deal would be off.

        I'm sorry you've felt so isolated in your criticism of
        the OUP arrangement. It is actually regularly criticised
        in my experience at other COs and in the ADHO Steering
        Committee (when I was on it). One result of that is that
        there's now a no-journal option. But I think also that
        the experience of GO::DHers (many of whom live in
        countries that of choice or necessity are far ahead in
        OA) also have something very important to offer here as
        well. Again, we need to be sensitive the question about
        whether it is appropriate to demand or expect that labour
        from people already suffering from the disadvantage.


            /Now, re what I still find unclear.../
            /
            /
            /Would it be possible for Alex and Roopika, and
            Harold and Dan, to share with the rest of us this
            'geneaology'? What I find missing in the
            'independent' proposal is the background, the
            explicit _why_ of the proposed change. /

        I think Roopsi basically covered it. In Krakow I happened
        to be talking to Ray Siemens and Harold Short at one
        point and said that I thought that GO::DH might be
        interesting as a CO. They and some people sitting beside
        us (Neil Fraistat was another; Stefan Sinclair, I think;
        Susan Brown, Melissa Terras, Karina van Dalen-Oskam, and
        Barbara Bordalejo also were around at one point or
        another). There wasn't much more at the time than people
        saying they thought it was a great idea--the only
        criticism was somebody said that they worried it might be
        so popular that it would wipe out the membership from the
        other COs. Then later Roopsi, Barbara (I think), and I
        sat with Harold and really briefly discussed what was
        involved in becoming a CO. After that we played email tag
        a little, but never really started any discussions,
        because we never received authorisation to.

        I went on at length about the impact GO::DH has had above
        because that is what people were saying to us about why
        they thought it was a great idea. In my experience people
        are simply immensely impressed by what it has
        accomplished and its promise.

        I consider that external interest and praise to be
        incidental, however. It suggests that we might find it
        easy to arrange something if we asked. But others'
        opinions of us--particularly those of us in the North who
        are privileged--is really not an external validation a
        group like GO::DH needs to be sure of itself. It's useful
        if it is useful and not important if it isn't.


            /What I find missing or unclear in Harold's and Dan's
            is what the practical and financial implications
            would be, _who_ would receive money and how much and
            what for, and if GO::DH members would have to pay
            ADHO fees _and_ GO::DH fees./

        This really is an issue--though everybody has been clear
        from the beginning that payment cannot be associated with
        membership in GO::DH. Harold is a genius at thinking up
        creative approaches to organisational design (ADHO is
        actually a remarkable way of spreading the wealth in a
        discipline). And if he's thought of something, I'm sure
        it very possible and creative.

        I can see how this is hard to do, however. ADHO works by
        essentially pooling the membership fees of all the COs.
        In exchange the COs collect membership fees by asking
        their members to subscribe to SDH (or choose the
        no-journal option). ADHO also guarantees some financial
        stability to the COs: a minimum payment, regardless of
        numbers, for example. OA journal support, and so on (this
        is the old arrangement; there is a new one coming that I
        don't know too much about).

        A no-fee GO::DH does present a problem in this scenario.
        Both for any money it receives (where does its share come
        from?) and for the possibility it offers for free
        membership to people who currently pay to belong to other
        national organisations (e.g. the Canadians, Japanese, and
        so on). What happens to ADHO finances if people leave the
        other COs they pay to join to join us for free?

        I'm not sure what Harold has in mind about that. I do
        think that people like me should have at least the
        opportunity to belong to GO::DH and contribute to the
        funding of it and ADHO. But I also believe firmly that no
        membership fees is a bedrock principle of GO::DH. Maybe
        there is some way of adding a voluntary or Northern or
        employed-person charge to support GO::DH's position in
        ADHO that would not be a membership fee or connected with
        membership in GO::DH, then I'd personally support
        that. But I'm just guessing. No membership fees to join
        GO::DH is fundamental to me.


            /Answers to these questions might help the rest of us
            understand the background as well as the potential
            future consequences. For example, if there is no
            consensus, who gets to _be_ GO::DH?/
            /
            /

        GO::DH is its membership. If there's no consensus, I'd
        say the status quo prevails. I certainly can't see ADHO
        or others wanting to wade into a divided community--our
        strength thus far has been our ability to project our
        common interests and lack of consensus would suggest to
        me that it isn't a clearly good idea to join. We are a
        community. You can't change a community if there's no
        consensus.


        [Excuse typos and relative brevity. Touchtyped from my
        phone on my way to work]

        All the best,

        Ernesto



        On 17 Oct 2017 03:08, "Alex Gil" <colibri.alex@gmail.com
        <mailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com>> wrote:

            Thank you, Barbara. I wish nothing more than that.

            In the spirit of democracy, I ask *all current
            executive members* to say they agree for this vote to
            take place on the membership. A simple majority is
            all we need. We do not need for the vote to take
            place in secret—nothing on the bylaws about that. The
            bylaws, on the other hand do encourage important
            issues to be polled by members:

                "Individual members in good standing have the
                right to vote in GO::DH elections and such issues
                as the Executive shall decide to poll the
                membership on."


            *Just say aye if you agree.*
            *
            *
            If the executive approves the passing of the poll, we
            will stick to our schedule, and vote on December 15.
            This gives us time to deliberate and secure a proper
            referendum, with an electoral officer assuring the
            standards of the proceedings.
            *
            *
            a.

            On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:02 PM, B. Bordalejo
            <barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.be
            <mailto:barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.be>> wrote:

                Dear Alex,

                Thank you for putting my name forward. Of course,
                as always, I am willing to work with Dan and
                others in making this case. However, I would like
                to be assured that that the decision will not be
                only in the hands of the executive, but the whole
                of the GO::DH membership. After all, this is
                precisely what you have been proposing, right?

                Best,

                BB


                On 16/10/2017 17:48, Alex Gil wrote:

...

                Thank you all,

                Real quick, so I don't interrupt your
                conversation too much. Dan, would you be
                amenable to making your argument into a Google
                Doc? Perhaps Glen and Barbara would like to add.
                Just so that we can keep organized.

                That's all,
                Please continue. This will be enormously helpful
                for the executive committee when it comes time
                to make a decision. As always feel free to write
                in the language you are comfortable in. We will
                figure it out.

                a.

                On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Amy Earhart
                <aearhart@tamu.edu <mailto:aearhart@tamu.edu>>
                wrote:

                    Hello all,

                    It seems a large part of this discussion is
                    not about ADHO, but rather about if we think
                    our goals are best accomplished in an
                    organizational structure. In some ways
                    putting GO::DH into a large organization
                    like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a
                    very grass roots organization that resisted
                    hierarchies, committees, officers, etc. and
                    rather used social media and loose
                    collaborations to create some sort of a
                    movement or to create small projects. To me
                    we are much more like a social movement, a
                    political movement, than we are a typical
                    academic organization. I think we are at a
                    moment where we need to figure out if such a
                    beginning should be contained within an
                    organization for positive benefits, reject
                    such organizational structures as
                    antithetical to our goals or to come up with
                    some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking about
                    the issue as less about ADHO and more in
                    this structural way has helped me to
                    consider what might be at stake and where we
                    might go.

                    Best,

                    Amy


                    Amy E. Earhart
                    Associate Professor of English
                    Texas A&M University

...

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                    on behalf of Roopika Risam
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                    *Sent:*October 16, 2017 4:16
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                    *Subject:*Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] Why we
                    should leave ADHO, go minimal and return to
                    the planet.
                    Ernesto,

                    I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to
                    the members, so I would argue that the
                    conversation should happen however the
                    members will it.

                    Roopika

                    --
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                    On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego
                    <efpriego@gmail.com
                    <mailto:efpriego@gmail.com>> wrote:

...

                    Thank you for this, Alex.

                    We should have a collective deadline of
                    December 1 for deliberations. In that
                    time, we encourage general and executive
                    members to debate on the list what you
                    would like to see GO::DH become. All of
                    your discussion, comments, will be taken
                    into consideration as the executive votes
                    on a final decision by December 15.

                    Should we have that conversation on this
                    thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I
                    am doing now) or would you prefer to have
                    a different thread or even different threads?

                    Thank you!

                    Ernesto


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                    On 15 October 2017 at 20:50, Alex
                    Gil<colibri.alex@gmail.com
                    <mailto:colibri.alex@gmail.com>>wrote:

                        Dear all,

                        As promised,here is the document with
                        the argument for why we should leave
                        ADHO
                        <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1BBq-2DmXnzJgw-5F5vVe4zlCDRXev9c5YAq9O6eDdt3IE5s_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFAw&c=ODFT-G5SujMiGrKuoJJjVg&r=ozuIz2HWssx6t0JVp7geatUq2Cuc0Fnwc0ep8mNZTqc&m=8BAZxA6vFmS3RIzZkFCu3KK1QiMCJq88-gjyEjxJt2Q&s=73InZUBn6feW_NnsRKa9QhqWZVq3M7z5CAMW6JU_LMc&e=>.
                        The first round was written by Dr.
                        Roopika Risam and me, but those in
                        support can add their own rationales
                        and arguments, or comment on ours.
                        Instructions are in the Google Doc.

                        A second argument will be prepared by
                        those who support the idea of becoming
                        a Constituent Organization of ADHO. I
                        think Dan O'Donnell (Canada), Barbara
                        Bordalejo (Argentina) and Glen Worthey
                        (USA) have signaled they would be
                        interested in drafting such a
                        document. Hopefully sooner, rather
                        than later, so we can proceed with
                        deliberations.

                        After the second argument is made, a
                        third argument is possible if enough
                        members feel there should be a middle
                        path, or a "third way."

                        We should have a collective deadline
                        of December 1 for deliberations. In
                        that time, we encourage general and
                        executive members to debate on the
                        list what you would like to see GO::DH
                        become. All of your discussion,
                        comments, will be taken into
                        consideration as the executive votes
                        on a final decision by December 15.

                        We will announce the results of the
                        process before the year ends, and
                        hopefully move forward with renewed
                        energy into the next stage of GO::DH.
                        Next year, I will pass on the baton to
                        a new chair who will carry out our
                        collective will, but will help in the
                        transition, whatever that is, as long
                        as I'm chair.

                        All best,
                        Alex.






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Dear all,

First, thank you Barbara for your thoughtful comment and analysis.

Just wanted to clarify something to all of us: our two choices right now are between a) being something positive completely outside of ADHO, and b) exploring the possibility of becoming a CO (probably as a SIG)—what Barbara describes. The vote was never about becoming a CO immediately, since it is not up to us alone, and the process probably will take a couple of years to become a reality anyway. What we're voting on on December 1 is whether we want that effort at all! Apologies if there were any confusions.

We have a great legacy already, as Dr. O'Donnell outlines. Our problem right now is labor. I've tried to point it out from the beginning. I've been carefully listening to the debate, watching us carefully for the past few years to come to the same conclusions as Dr. Risam: we don't have enough labor. Bottom line: several of us *are simply not going to work anymore if we remain a SIG or pursue becoming a CO*. That's what this political theater is about: *Who wants to work for what?*

When we vote on December 1—by whichever mechanism we decide—we may become a GO::DH that explores and perhaps pursues the possibility of becoming a SIG for the next 2 years. If that option wins, it's great to hear Barbara will work for this future! Elections for chair will follow soon after, and Barbara or perhaps one of our new executives in favor of this move will lead the effort. We have heard from Thomas and Amy. Hoping that Miguel and 'Tunde will contribute an opinion soon.

At that point I will pass on the baton to the leader who is willing to take on that challenge. I will be happy to remain a member on the list and wish you the best from the bottom of my heart. This is my legacy too, after all.

If you vote for us, I know we still have the work ahead of us of inspiring you again and reconstituting the administration around equal representation and distributed labor. We have probably 1 year to accomplish both, and we will probably fail. We will try our best, though, and I will personally work hard to try to inspire you again to work with us, grow our global south membership and partners, and ensure an orderly transition from our current governance model to the next. If I and those who join me fail to succeed in 1 year, then I will work to give our great effort, the one and only GO::DH, the dignified funeral it deserves... maybe even throw in some fireworks. Why not.

Best, a.

PS - I have nothing against ADHO at all, and will continue to attend annual conferences for the foreseeable future, continue to be an editor of DHQ and on the editorial board of DSJ, pay my membership fees to ACH to help subsidize lesser budgets, etc. Though I have several ongoing critiques, this is not about any radical animosity towards ADHO itself.

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 1:30 PM, B. Bordalejo <barbara.bordalejo@arts. kuleuven.be> wrote:

Dear all,

I have been thinking long and hard about this. I do not think we should have a vote yet on this matter (not now and not on December 1st) and here are the reasons:

My first question is why two non-equivalent things are being presented as options.

Alex and Roopika are proposing that we should leave ADHO. But we are only part of ADHO in that we are a Special Interest Group of the Alliance. There is nothing else to it. We have never been told by anyone what we can or cannot do. At some point, it meant that we could participate in the ADHO steering committee both online and in person. GO::DH, as other parties that are not Constituent Organizations (COs), did not have a vote. I find it difficult to see why being an SIG impairs our work or diminishes our aims. I agree with Alex that the vibrant work of the first days has paused but there can be many reasons for this. For example, in my case, I had taken a new post in 2014 which meant that my attention was focused on other matters (when GO:DH started, in January 2012, I was only working part time). It would be dishonest to say that because of ADHO I was behaving differently, it was because my life was different and I was under pressure on various fronts.

In Krakow some members of the executive talked to Harold Short and Ray Siemens about the possibility of GO::DH acquiring voting status. I never participated in such talks as I have never had the authority withing the group or the connections that would allow me to approach either Harold or Ray. There were rumors that, with the new ADHO structure and without changing our membership mode, we might receive some financial benefits from the Alliance. *I* thought that this money could be distributed within our community in various ways (paying for training, contributing with the costs of infrastructure, offering small grants). As you can see, this was all in my imagination. However, what Dan is proposing is that we explore the possibility of becoming a CO (as you have heard we will never have to pay membership fees). If we create a group to explore this and come back with a concrete proposal from ADHO, then we can discuss if we like it or not; if we are interested or not.

Those are concrete things. But concrete things have other implications, political and psychological. I am not that naïve as to not being able to recognize them. So we get to my second question: When I read this thread, I wonder as to the motives that ADHO might have to want GO::DH as a CO.

Before, Domenico (Hi, my friend! How are you doing?), outed me as someone who currently sits on the ADHO executive. I am there as the secretary of the European Association for Digital Humanities, EADH. I am giving these details for the sake of transparency (you can find them out if you Google them, but why waste your time?). It was not easy for me to get there and my primary role is to represent the interests of EADH. That said, when I am at the meetings, I cannot help but being the person I am, with the background I have, and often question things or make observations that take into account less privileged backgrounds. You cannot know this because the minutes, as accurate as they are, often do not reflect the force of my convictions (or the equally strong forces that oppose me). I am deeply aware that precisely because I am very vocal on matters of inequality and because I put a lot of my energy in the search for social justice, it was very difficult for my EADH colleagues to put me where I am. But I do not represent GO::DH at ADHO because that is not my role and I wonder how different the landscape would be if GO::DH had a couple of representatives with the right to speak and vote online and in real life.

Back to my previous point, why would ADHO want us there? Having experienced ADHO only under the direction of Karina Van Dalen-Oskam, I think that there is a true search for the removal of many of the systemic barriers that have been pointed out by Domenico so many times and more recently also by Gimena del Río. In Montreal, I was asked to lead a workshop on Collaboration and Diversity. This was the first time in the history of the conference that there was an ADHO sponsored workshop. It was full, people came from all over, but what surprised me the most was the high number of white men who attended. It was great to see people talking about these matters, learning things about themselves and wanting to take them back to their institutions. Dan (thank you for all your hard work!) and I felt that we were successful in reaching them. The next DH conference will be in Mexico City, marking the first time that the conference will happen outside its more traditional environments. Clearly things have changed. This is the bright side, of course. So what about the dark side?

I understand that there is a perspective that says that this is not enough, that ADHO is doing too little too late, that they are using GO::DH as an excuse not to face up their real systemic problems. I know why people think this. It is tiring to be the only person of color in the room, the only one with a non-standard background, the odd one out or simply the person that cannot make it to the conference because of lack of resources. It is also tiring to be used as a token to show how ADHO is not racist or sexist or ableist. I am deeply aware of this, but I want to believe that this is not the case that we are not being used as tokens, that real change is just beginning.

Unlike Dan, I am concerned with affecting ADHOs policies. Unlike Roopika and Alex, I still believe we can do that through GO::DH. In any case, I do not think that a vote should be called about "independence" (by the way, anyone who has studied rhetoric will see the deep bias and emotional charge in the use of such word), not now and not on the first of December. If we want to move back to a more project based GO::DH we should do it by action, not by vote. My proposed action is this, I would be ready to lead a group to talk to ADHO about under which conditions we *could* become a CO. This would be my project (as there would be other projects). When we have a concrete proposal, we can talk about it in this list as see whether is something that we might be interested in.

Before I finish, I want to leave you another note for reflection: this is the first time in which I write to this list and I do not feel safe in expressing my opinions.

BB

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Dear Alex,

As an executive member, I say yes to this.

Sincerely, Roopika

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On Oct 16, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Alex Gil colibri.alex@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you, Barbara. I wish nothing more than that.

In the spirit of democracy, I ask all current executive members to say they agree for this vote to take place on the membership. A simple majority is all we need. We do not need for the vote to take place in secret—nothing on the bylaws about that. The bylaws, on the other hand do encourage important issues to be polled by members:

...

"Individual members in good standing have the right to vote in GO::DH elections and such issues as the Executive shall decide to poll the membership on."

Just say aye if you agree.

If the executive approves the passing of the poll, we will stick to our schedule, and vote on December 15. This gives us time to deliberate and secure a proper referendum, with an electoral officer assuring the standards of the proceedings.

a.

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On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:02 PM, B. Bordalejo barbara.bordalejo@arts.kuleuven.be wrote: Dear Alex, Thank you for putting my name forward. Of course, as always, I am willing to work with Dan and others in making this case. However, I would like to be assured that that the decision will not be only in the hands of the executive, but the whole of the GO::DH membership. After all, this is precisely what you have been proposing, right?

Best,

BB

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On 16/10/2017 17:48, Alex Gil wrote: Thank you all,

Real quick, so I don't interrupt your conversation too much. Dan, would you be amenable to making your argument into a Google Doc? Perhaps Glen and Barbara would like to add. Just so that we can keep organized.

That's all, Please continue. This will be enormously helpful for the executive committee when it comes time to make a decision. As always feel free to write in the language you are comfortable in. We will figure it out.

a.

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On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Amy Earhart aearhart@tamu.edu wrote: Hello all,

It seems a large part of this discussion is not about ADHO, but rather about if we think our goals are best accomplished in an organizational structure. In some ways putting GO::DH into a large organization like ADHO is a poor fit. GO::DH started as a very grass roots organization that resisted hierarchies, committees, officers, etc. and rather used social media and loose collaborations to create some sort of a movement or to create small projects. To me we are much more like a social movement, a political movement, than we are a typical academic organization. I think we are at a moment where we need to figure out if such a beginning should be contained within an organization for positive benefits, reject such organizational structures as antithetical to our goals or to come up with some sort of a hybrid model. Thinking about the issue as less about ADHO and more in this structural way has helped me to consider what might be at stake and where we might go.

Best,

Amy

Amy E. Earhart Associate Professor of English Texas A&M University

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From: globaloutlookdh-l globaloutlookdh-l-bounces@uleth.ca on behalf of Roopika Risam rrisam@gmail.com Sent: October 16, 2017 4:16 To: globaloutlookdh-l, MailList Subject: Re: [globaloutlookDH-l] Why we should leave ADHO, go minimal and return to the planet.

Ernesto,

I know I'm not Alex but the list belongs to the members, so I would argue that the conversation should happen however the members will it.

Roopika

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On Oct 16, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Ernesto Priego efpriego@gmail.com wrote:

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Thank you for this, Alex.

We should have a collective deadline of December 1 for deliberations. In that time, we encourage general and executive members to debate on the list what you would like to see GO::DH become. All of your discussion, comments, will be taken into consideration as the executive votes on a final decision by December 15.

Should we have that conversation on this thread (i.e. in reply to your message as I am doing now) or would you prefer to have a different thread or even different threads?

Thank you!

Ernesto

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